by liberal japonicus
I have a short essay that I send to foreign friends teaching at universities in Japan when they lose a parent, and here is a bit of self-plagiarism:
Japanese culture generally accords a great amount of respect to death and the process of grief. Oftentimes, these are related as quaint behavior of the Japanese. For example, because 4 or shi (四) is a homophone of shi (死) or death, not only is it avoided in numbering hospital floors (where death is more of an issue) but also with sets of household objects, such that zabuton or houseware are not sold in groups of four. Other general etiquette rules such as one should never stand one's chopsticks in a bowl of rice or pass food from chopstick to chopstick because these are part of Buddhist funeral rites, and the impression one gets from a litany of these kinds of observations is one of quirky Japanese behavior. Yet, rather than viewing these as quirks, they actually are part of a larger fabric of social customs and beliefs about death and the place that it holds in the Japanese mind.
I think this is true, our Western rituals for death are scattered and disjoint, but in Japan, a relatively set approach makes it easier. The Guardian also had this piece that made a similar point about funerals in Korea. However, with the increasing possibility of a funeral for Queen Elizabeth the II (Lilibet was the nickname her father gave her), interestingly enough, while I think that the UK has a similar loss of ritual, the machinery and preparations for the Queen's funeral are massive and overwhelming, with absolutely nothing left to chance. This is a Guardian long read about all the things that have gone and will go into the funeral of the Queen.
The question will be what the bells and the emblems and the heralds represent now. At what point does the pomp of an imperial monarchy become ridiculous amid the circumstances of a diminished nation? “The worry,” a historian said, “is that it is just circus animals.”If the monarchy exists as theatre, then this doubt is the part of the drama. Can they still pull it off? Knowing everything that we know in 2017, how can it possibly hold that a single person might contain the soul of a nation? The point of the monarchy is not to answer such questions. It is to continue. “What a lot of our life we spend in acting,” the Queen Mother used to say.
The whole piece is fascinating, and it strikes me that as our own individual rituals of death become diffuse, the hyper-planning of the Queen's funeral moves to fill that space. The article observes
For a long time, the art of royal spectacle was for other, weaker peoples: Italians, Russians, and Habsburgs. British ritual occasions were a mess. At the funeral of Princess Charlotte, in 1817, the undertakers were drunk. Ten years later, St George’s Chapel was so cold during the burial of the Duke of York that George Canning, the foreign secretary, contracted rheumatic fever and the bishop of London died. “We never saw so motley, so rude, so ill-managed a body of persons,” reported the Times on the funeral of George IV, in 1830. Victoria’s coronation a few years later was nothing to write home about. The clergy got lost in the words; the singing was awful; and the royal jewellers made the coronation ring for the wrong finger. “Some nations have a gift for ceremonial,” the Marquess of Salisbury wrote in 1860. “In England the case is exactly the reverse.”What we think of as the ancient rituals of the monarchy were mainly crafted in the late 19th century, towards the end of Victoria’s reign. Courtiers, politicians and constitutional theorists such as Walter Bagehot worried about the dismal sight of the Empress of India trooping around Windsor in her donkey cart. If the crown was going to give up its executive authority, it would have to inspire loyalty and awe by other means – and theatre was part of the answer. “The more democratic we get,” wrote Bagehot in 1867, “the more we shall get to like state and show.”
I can imagine some might disagree with my use of elegy in the title, since the event hasn't happened, but the wikipedia entry for elegy has this:
An elegy is a poem of serious reflection, and in English literature usually a lament for the dead. However, according to The Oxford Handbook of the Elegy, "for all of its pervasiveness ... the 'elegy' remains remarkably ill defined: sometimes used as a catch-all to denominate texts of a somber or pessimistic tone, sometimes as a marker for textual monumentalizing, and sometimes strictly as a sign of a lament for the dead"
So a catch-all for your thoughts about this and anything else you might have.
4 or shi (四) is a homophone of shi (死) or death
Barely on topic, but when I was studying Japanese and we were learning to count, the number 4 was given as yon. (I also note that 4th generation Japanese Americans are referred to as yonsei.) Is there a rule of thumb on which reading for 4 is used when?
Posted by: wj | September 08, 2022 at 12:22 PM
Isn't the same true in Chinese? I know of that taboo mainly from there.
Posted by: Hartmut | September 08, 2022 at 02:31 PM
Chinese try hard to avoid phone numbers, license plate numbers, etc. that have 4s in them. And they are willing to pay a high premium for the same with 8s in them.
Posted by: CharlesWT | September 08, 2022 at 03:06 PM
RIP Elizabeth.
It will be a long while before the Monarchy comes up with another Queen (or King) to rank with you.
Posted by: wj | September 08, 2022 at 03:15 PM
Elizabeth was also the first female of the Royal family to be an active duty member of the British Armed Forces. This also makes her the last surviving head of state to have served during World War II.
***
RIP Elizabeth.
It will be a long while before the Monarchy comes up with another Queen (or King) to rank with you.
Helas.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 08, 2022 at 03:41 PM
I rather detest the idea of royalty and the whole birthright thing in general.
That said, this Queen was a remarkable person, even amongst royalty, and the world is less without her.
One of the things I admired about her most was her ability to send pointed messages through wardrobe alone.
My heartfelt condolences to the Commonwealth.
Posted by: Pete | September 08, 2022 at 04:25 PM
The principle of a hereditary head of state is ridiculous. The Queen was an extraordinarily successful example (the preeminent example) of a conscientious, dutiful servant of her people, as she made clear in the letter she released on the eve of her platinum jubilee, which she signed "Your servant, Elizabeth R".
https://twitter.com/majestymagazine/status/1490083205504020485?lang=en-GB
Now, in a way that is perhaps hard to understand, we are having to try and accustom ourselves to a change of wording in our national anthem. It is no longer, absolutely incredibly, "God Save the Queen", it is now "God Save the King".
Posted by: GftNC | September 08, 2022 at 04:32 PM
One of the things I admired about her most was her ability to send pointed messages through wardrobe alone.
I am by now fairly drunk (a bottle of champagne and a bottle of Chateauneuf du Pape between two of us, not to celebrate but to honour her memory), but the best example of this was the fact that (as opposed to the enormous, hugely valuable brooches she normally wore) she wore a small, not very costly brooch given to her by the Obamas to meet Trump. Much too subtle for him to understand, of course, but not for us.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 08, 2022 at 04:58 PM
she wore a small, not very costly brooch given to her by the Obamas to meet Trump.
My personal favorite as well. Close second is the “EU flag” hat. They may say coincidence, but I refuse to believe it.
Posted by: Pete | September 08, 2022 at 05:18 PM
It would be wrong, despite my general contempt for him, to omit the 3-part statement tweeted by Boris Johnson on the death of the Queen. He is clever, and he is talented, and whatever else one thinks about him (and you all know what I think about him), his comments are moving. Again, I say, I am so glad his is not the main (let alone the most important) comment to be made on this. But we should not forget that the PM has weekly meetings with the sovereign, so has more sense of her than most people do.
https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1567941080796078085
Posted by: GftNC | September 08, 2022 at 05:19 PM
Larkin, on the silver jubilee:
In times when nothing stood
But worsened, or grew strange,
There was one constant good:
She did not change.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 08, 2022 at 06:04 PM
Does BoJo have an alibi?
Posted by: Snarki, child of Loki | September 08, 2022 at 06:43 PM
Morning all, about shi and yon, Japanese has two sets of numbers (actually 3 if you count English), one derived from proto Japanese, the other from Chinese. A lot of folks here have some Chinese so they can probably see the similarities
ichi/ni/san/shi/go/roku/shichi/hachi/ku/ju
Proto Japanese (with the counter -tsu, which is the most common way to hear it)
hitotsu/futatsu/mitsu/yotsu/itsutsu/mutsu/nanatsu/yatsu/kokonatsu/kokonotsu
https://www.coscom.co.jp/learnjapanese101/wordcategory/basicwords_numbers.html
Super cool fact. When you realize that fu- is a variant of hu, you can see that the proto Japanese system has a notion of binary counting that relates the numbers using ablaut (change in vowel quality)
hi/hu 1/2
mi/mu 3/6
yo/ya 4/8
The original observation was by Roy Andrew Miller (1967)
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 08, 2022 at 07:33 PM
Sorry and didn't answer the question. Use the Chinese derived numbers for counting qua counting, use the proto-Japanese as prefixes to counters that are bound to the word. You'll probably get to a point where you aren't thinking about the number aspect, but just that hitori means one-person and futari means two. This means that you'll probably never use the smaller numbers in isolation.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 08, 2022 at 07:39 PM
Now that I think about it: English has three sets of numbers also.
- Germanic: one, two, three, four, five, six
- Latin: uni-, bi-/di-, tri-, quadr-, quin-, sex-
- Greek: mono-, di-, tri-, tetra-, penta, hexa-
Posted by: Pro Bono | September 08, 2022 at 08:06 PM
So, futari means two people, but nisei means second generation?
As I type this, I realize that first and second bear no particular relation to one and two. Although for higher numbers (fifth, seventh, etc.) there is a clear relationship. Hmmm, wonder how that came about. Maybe our ancestors didn't care about anything after second place...?
Posted by: wj | September 08, 2022 at 08:44 PM
the best example of this was the fact that (as opposed to the enormous, hugely valuable brooches she normally wore) she wore a small, not very costly brooch given to her by the Obamas to meet Trump. Much too subtle for him to understand, of course, but not for us.
This had me laughing.
Pity someone didn't tell him a) that the broach was a gift from the Obamas and b) she was dissing him. His inevitable reaction would have created the spectacle of the Tories scrambling to distance themselves from him. Which might have lent some amusement to their recent leadership contest.
Posted by: wj | September 08, 2022 at 09:25 PM
wj, that's right. sei is the 'on yomi', which means it is read with the 'chinese' pronunciation (though that pronunciation may or may not resemble current pronunciation), so it 'requires' (though there are exceptions) that the first character use the chinese reading (the sei is the same as in sensei, i.e. born before or 'previous generation') It's actually similar to what Pro Bono points out for English, the Latin and Greek numbers need to be prefixes and it more often than not has to be Latin+Latin or Greek+Greek, though it is pretty confusing because the morphemes have developed different nuances (for example, uni- means all, encompassing, like a uni-driver or a unitard but mono means a single part or unit like monorail or a monograph)
futari actually has kanji (二人)which can also be read as ninin, though not all Japanese find it acceptable. If you go in a restaurant and they ask how many, you would say 'futari', but if you were asked how many people were in a group you saw, you might say 'ninin gumi'.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 08, 2022 at 11:50 PM
If the 'monarch' is a mere figurehead lacking actual formal political power, a hereditary head of state position/office has certain advantages. It requires strict discipline of the holder though. The moment he or she becomes openly partisan*, most of the advantages go out the window.
I would not recommend it for a new state though. But I see no reason to get rid of it where it is long established (as in Britain).
*or becomes a personal disgrace (cf. Spain)
Posted by: Hartmut | September 09, 2022 at 12:26 AM
It's probably indicative of my circles that 90% of what I am seeing in response to Elizabeth's passing is mourning her passing. Still have relatives in the UK and the friends and connections I have made here in Japan are, if they aren't US, are from the UK. A few hotter takes, a few Aussies wondering why they needed to have 10 days of talking news heads in black suits and ties, a few of my more leftish friends recycling things like this
https://www.theroot.com/black-twitter-responds-to-the-death-of-queen-elizabeth-1849513595
In regards to Hartmut's observation, it would have been interesting if the Queen had weighed in on Brexit or on the Windrush scandal (something about this is no way to treat her subjects), but there seems to be a big wall around that. It's interesting how the locating of the monarch into a non-political space comes to uphold the status quo.
I am wondering if we will have a situation like Thailand, where the universally beloved emperor Bhumibol passed away and the accession of his son, who by most accounts was certainly not the same kind of person as his father, has led to a lot of confrontation. I'm not suggesting that Charles has precisely the same issues, (and doesn't have recourse to the same lèse majesté laws that Vajiralongkorn/Rama X has) but the story of trying to replace someone so beloved has some similarities.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 09, 2022 at 05:20 AM
A few random thoughts:
My daughter got a thank you card from the queen only a few days ago, after having sent in a hand drawn card congratulating her on the diamond jubilee.
The EU hat was great.
As per the BBC doc I watched last night, the queen welcomed immigrants from the Caribbean and Southeast Asia in the Christmas address and spoke out against racist violence sometime the 50s .
She had a motherliness and warmth to her which brought people together, though it didn't seem to have extended to her own family, which was terribly dysfunctional in a traditional English upper class way.
In 1953 it was decided to televise the coronation, which was the first step in turning 'the Windsors' into the global brand that it is now - going down this path was by no means inevitable but a conscious choice.
I think the only way to save the monarchy is to gradually dial things back again and become a 'normal, bourgeois' monarchy, as practised in, say, Belgium, Sweden or the Netherlands (they ride bikes and have real jobs and stuff).
The impact of the Empire and class society is still very toxic in the UK and the monarchy needs to deal with it openly if it wants to heal the nation - fat chance that Charles will do this, but hey, at least he's strong on the environment.
Stephen Frear's "The Queen" is really good.
I'm very thankful Bojo is not presiding over all this.
Posted by: novakant | September 09, 2022 at 06:31 AM
Here's an interesting obit:
https://www.politico.eu/article/the-short-unhappy-life-of-elizabeth-windsor-queen-elizabeth-ii-obituary/
Posted by: novakant | September 09, 2022 at 06:53 AM
lj knows I have a passing acquaintance with Japanese. Originally for me it was from playing Go.
In Go, the 3-3 point is referred to san-san, but the 4-4 point is hoshi (star).
Posted by: ral | September 09, 2022 at 09:58 AM
I must say, I think that the author of that Politico piece gets a lot of the feel of the thing subtly wrong. Can't be bothered listing items, but several times I found myself thinking "Hang on, that's not right". I wonder what his nationality is - it's possibly a cultural misunderstanding. But the thesis that her true internal life was absolutely unknown is certainly true. I saw a long interview with Helen Mirren recently, and in describing her preparations to play the Queen, she talked about her sense that Elizabeth was, in almost a physical way, in a submarine, and that she put the periscope up through which she observed the world. It is said that the Queen liked Mirren's portrayal in The Queen, but one never knows.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 09, 2022 at 10:01 AM
I must say, I think that the author of that Politico piece gets a lot of the feel of the thing subtly wrong
Yes, I read that and thought it pretty rubbish.
As if written to prove a point.
I'm no monarchist, as was hoping from the title to find it interesting. It wasn't.
Posted by: Nigel | September 09, 2022 at 12:20 PM
He's British. There were several aspects in the piece that I hadn't been aware of and I think he did a good job of peeling away a bit of the official narrative. But, that's just me and the timing might be a bit off for some.
Posted by: novakant | September 09, 2022 at 12:43 PM
It wasn't the "peeling away of the official narrative" aspect I minded, if it had been accurate, it was the persistent sense that he was getting the interpretation of many things subtly wrong. Never mind - hers is a life that has always been, and will always be, much interpreted, and by all sorts of people with all sorts of agendas.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 09, 2022 at 12:59 PM
Ok, that's all a bit too cryptic for me, but let's not get into an argument :)
Posted by: novakant | September 09, 2022 at 01:21 PM
A few hotter takes, a few Aussies wondering why they needed to have 10 days of talking news heads in black suits and ties,
I was in Australia a few decades back, when they were going thru one of their occasional bouts of "Maybe we should drop the monarchy, and just become a constitutional republic." One of my acquaintances take was "When I became a police officer, I took an oath to the Crown. Not to some damn republic!" Since they stayed with a monarchy, opinion there on the Queen was pretty solid. So I'm guessing that objections to a few days of public mourning may not be ill-received by many.
It will be interesting to see if republican sentiment picks up under Charles.
Posted by: wj | September 09, 2022 at 04:03 PM
although the principle of a hereditary head of state is ridiculous, still: give me Charles, or William, rather than the risk of a Trump-type or a representative of the half of the country who voted for Brexit.
No doubt there were aspects of her life that she was not happy with. But having decades with a husband she very much loved makes her better off than a lot of people.
Posted by: wj | September 09, 2022 at 04:15 PM
Back in 1977 I had a "stuff the jubilee" poster on my wall, and wanted to sweep away the whole structure of hereditary privilege.
Over time it came to me that many unprivileged people take vicarious pleasure in watching the royals, and that it is not for me to deprive them of it.
The last thirty years have seen a new era of privilege, built not on titles of nobility but on inherited wealth. And this new privilege is much worse. The British royal family has a very obvious sense of noblesse oblidge, Trump and his like have the opposite feeling: not of obligation but of entitlement.
Posted by: Pro Bono | September 09, 2022 at 05:01 PM
The British royal family has a very obvious sense of noblesse oblidge, Trump and his like have the opposite feeling: not of obligation but of entitlement.
Well, Trump is handicapped there by the fact that he has no trace of noblesse. Not to mention that any feeling of obligation is foreign to him, too.
Posted by: wj | September 09, 2022 at 05:11 PM
My typist is so sacked.
Posted by: Pro Bono | September 09, 2022 at 05:32 PM
My typist is so sacked.
Quite right too.
wj, I may be exceptionally dim, but I don't see the connection between your comment @04.15 and my quoted words immediately above it.
and:
Damn, and double damn. I think Snopes has (at least partially) debunked the Trump/brooch/diss. What a shame. Although, they do say as part of their reasoning that there is no proof she didn't like Trump. Whereas, to those of us who saw the footage, and had some experience reading the runes, that's pretty funny.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 09, 2022 at 05:47 PM
I don't see the connection between your comment @04.15 and my quoted words immediately above it.
That's because I messed up, and inserted the wrong quote. Unlike Pro Bono, it's my copyist who is so sacked.
What I meant to reference was Politico piece suggesting that she had an "unhappy life". I've made a lot of mistakes here, but that one was a doozy!
Posted by: wj | September 09, 2022 at 06:00 PM
Got it. Boy, ObWi is pretty hard on clerical staff these days. Quite right, though, standards must be maintained!
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 09, 2022 at 06:55 PM
Damn, and double damn
Ok, I guess I have to admit I may have been bamboozled & I trust Snopes.
On my phone, so I’m not gonna do exhaustive research, but there are a coupla things at work here:
The Queen is a sharp cookie.
By all appearances, the Obamas get on well with the royal family.
By all appearances, the Queen sees clearly the boorish clod that is Trump (didn’t he want a carriage trip to Buckingham?).
And that EU flag thing? No way that was an accident.
Posted by: Pete | September 09, 2022 at 07:13 PM
wj: yes, and that wasn't the only thing that was off about that Politico piece. The stuff about her childhood home (pre-abdication), and relationship with her parents, was also so tone-deaf as to almost seem written by somebody who knew absolutely nothing about that particular stratum of English life, which was why I thought it might have been written by a foreigner. But apparently not. So maybe just somebody who had a particular agenda. It makes me think of the Alan Bennett play (and movie) The History Boys, when the iconoclastic teacher brought in to shake up the boys' coaching to get into Oxbridge tells them that it's a better tactic (for success in that limited endeavour), when writing entrance essays, to go for a controversial, counter-intuitive theory, even if false, as long as they can give a clever justification. Or, as someone I once knew maintained (and he had an amazingly successful career as a supposed authority on his subject and a talking head, published and interviewed all over the place): "it's more important to be controversial than to be right."
Pete: it's not just you. That's a favourite story of lots of us.
But FWIW it really does seem very clear that she was properly keen on the Obamas; that occasion where Michelle put an arm around her and she put hers around Michelle is (as far as I know) unprecedented, and caused quite a stir. And I think I read somewhere that the Obamas were the only ex-presidential couple asked back after leaving office. Not to mention Trump's boorish behaviour as he barged past and strode ahead of her, and her expression when he did so, was pretty clear.
Posted by: Girl from the North Country | September 09, 2022 at 08:10 PM
GftNC,
Apologies on no due diligence on my part but IIRC, the Obamas were invited to Harry/Meghan’s wedding. They did not attend, gracefully declining. I do not believe the invitation was extended to the sitting President.
Volumes, it speaks.
Posted by: Pete | September 09, 2022 at 08:32 PM
I do not believe the invitation was extended to the sitting President
Given his desperate compulsion to be the center of every event, one shudders to think what he would have done at a royal wedding. (Actually my imagination fails on that. Unfortunately, his likely would not have.)
Posted by: wj | September 09, 2022 at 08:40 PM
Novakant's link is interesting, especially when compared with one covering the same territory, but in a different way, in the Graniaud
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/private-life-of-queen-elizabeth-ii
I, like GftNC, thought it was a bit off, but I think we all agree that she was a cipher. In fact, after a long time of thinking that it was good to be very clear with where you stood, I'm beginning to think that not wearing all your opinions on your sleeve might be a better option.
It's also interesting that both of these pieces (and a lot of others) talk about Elizabeth's love for Phillip, especially since he was always a target for pieces about his failings.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/11/the-chequered-legacy-of-prince-philips-notorious-gaffes
Another story that folks here might like,
https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40958324.html
There were also two great stories in this twitter thread, one about the Queen driving around the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, presumably to make a point about woman drivers, and the other about two American tourists meeting the Queen while hiking in Scotland.
https://twitter.com/jonpayates/status/1568160644381155328
On a separate point, I'm sure almost everyone knows the reason for the Guardian nickname, but if not, here
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grauniad
Strangely enough, the google search quotes from the site
Nickname for a radical left-winged newspaper in the U.K called: 'The Guardian'.
but the actual entry has it as
the UK national newpaper [sic], the Guardian,
To uphold their rep (for the nickname if not for being radical left winged, this discussion of Charles' speech
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/09/charles-iiis-first-speech-what-the-king-said-and-why-it-was-important
has this:
A feint gesture of recognition of the cost of living crisis, perhaps.
Ahh, Grauniad, don't ever change.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 09, 2022 at 10:07 PM
Pete: how it was reported here was that the Obamas were not invited to the wedding, because that would have involved inviting Trump, and the feeling was that this reasoning was probably passed on personally by Harry to the Obamas, who clearly had a warm relationship with him as revealed by lots of the Invictus Games pranking etc.
And for anybody who fancies seeing the extreme nuttiness of the archaic ritual of the Proclamation of the King, I recommend watching the three minute item 3 of this link:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/king-charles-proclamation-key-moments/101426494
Posted by: GftNC | September 10, 2022 at 01:09 PM