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June 27, 2022

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I know that the Catholic church still opposes it, but I was under the impression that the overwhelming majority of Catholics disagree. I wouldn't be surprised if that did not apply to ACB the handmaiden, but although another four of them (and Sotomayor) are Catholic I didn't necessarily expect them to vote the Vatican line, which is after all increasingly far out in the modern world.

Although I am completely pro-choice, I can at least understand the moral argument against abortion. It seems absolutely incomprehensible to me to oppose contraception, unless you are a really hardline Catholic.

Just one of the things in today's US that seems absolutely incomprehensible to me. But if they do indeed go for contraception, that will surely do the Rs even more damage than Roe being struck down. And the prospect of it should help the Ds too.

in case it's not obvious from my commenting history here - I have no issue with Catholic people on the SCOTUS or anywhere else in government. just like I have no issue with Protestants, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Wiccans, Rastafarians and Pastafarians, agnostics and atheists, likewise.

Just pointing out the gaps in how the "originalists" read the minds of the founders.

It's just an excuse for them to do whatever the hell they want.

It seems absolutely incomprehensible to me to oppose contraception

first they came for our jimmie hats...

I didn't necessarily expect them to vote the Vatican line, which is after all increasingly far out in the modern world.

They are far far far more radical than the Vatican. And the Church isn't a democratic institution; the hierarchy doesn't give a flying banana what the overwhelming majority of Catholics think. In fact, I have seen it written (can't remember where) that the increasing disaffection of especially American Catholics from the Church under the previous pope was considered by him and others to be a feature of their approach, not a bug. Smaller but purer is the way to go, apparently.

And again, it's about control, and attitudes about sex (from the International Pedophile Protection Ring), and woman. It doesn't seem that mysterious to me. But then I was raised in that denomination, so......

what would the founders say about 6 out of 9 SCOTUS justices being Catholic?

originalist minds want to know...

Arguably 7 (depending on how you count Gorsuch, who was raised Catholic). And a Jew besides. Not to mention having 2 blacks (one of whom is the only solid Protestant). And 4 women!!! what is the world coming to???

The founders are spinning in their graves!

I wouldn't be surprised if that did not apply to ACB the handmaiden, but although another four of them (and Sotomayor) are Catholic I didn't necessarily expect them to vote the Vatican line, which is after all increasingly far out in the modern world.

I'm pretty sure at least Alito and Thomas are right there with ACB, if not far more vicious. These are not remotely what we would see as reasonable or logical people. They are megalomaniacs.

Alito talking to the Federalist Society a couple of years ago (I haven't listened to it; my sons says it's very revealing; I'm not sure my blood pressure can stand it.)

More on Alito.

I gave this court a snarky nickname elsewhere a few days ago

I saw that & have been trying to specify “majority” so’s not to contaminate with my broad brush. I still don’t care for the snark on that site, tho. ;-)

@Pete: I've gotten a lot of my news from that site for several years, and there are commenters and especially front-pagers that I think a lot of. But I find the comment threads pretty much unreadable at this point.

the Church isn't a democratic institution; the hierarchy doesn't give a flying banana what the overwhelming majority of Catholics think

No, I wasn't clear: what I meant was that although the church was against contraception, SCOTUS justices might easily be among the vast majority of US Catholics who oppose that particular policy. Because, apart from ACB, I didn't know how devout any of the others were. But I'm getting the message. Well, if they do go for it, we may be entering another period when the American public turns against Catholics as in the JFK era.

if they do go for it, we may be entering another period when the American public turns against Catholics as in the JFK era.

I rather doubt it.

For the most part, people ignore what religion someone is. Unless it is shoved in their face. If the opinion allowing a contraception ban is littered with quotes from papal encyclicals, that might be different. But if they just (mis)quote the founders, or misc 14th century philosophers, likely nobody will take note of their religion.

For the most part, people ignore what religion someone is.

Unless they're Muslim, or Sikh, or.....

I have no issue with Catholic people

Nice try, russell. I’ve heard about you, with your drumming & your “jazz” friends & “jazz” cigarettes & “warm, welcoming demeanor” & “infectious laugh”. & your Massachusetts home, far removed from anything Catholic. You’re not fooling anyone.

@Janie
I pretty much only go there to see what you’ve written.

I gotta go burn some pizzas on the grill. Happy 4th, ‘Muricans! & thanks to all who contribute here!

It seems absolutely incomprehensible to me to oppose contraception, unless you are a really hardline Catholic.

They're rolling back the entire notion of a secular "right to privacy". It's much easier to run an authoritarian state (with secret police and such) if there's no bothersome right to privacy. Griswold was decided on the basis of a right to marital privacy, so needs to go.

Happy 4th to all of you, and may the prospects for confounding the SCOTUS look better next 4th!

Factor into all the birth control arguments that most hardcore anti-abortion activists treat both the pill and IUDs as equivalent to abortion and therefore on the list of things they would seek to ban if possible.

Not sure how barrier methods would fare in a post-Griswold state, except that they would for sure try to make it illegal for minors to purchase any of it, the same way that they try to exclude information about them from all sex ed classes.

Unless they're Muslim, or Sikh, or.....

The unthinkable… Non.

A lot of this whole right to life thing hinges on the idea of ensoulment.

How many souls can dance on the head of a pin?

The gas on my grill crapped out. Dammit.

More on Alito.

Dear associate justice Alito - show me on the doll where the liberals hurt you.

Plus: Patriot Front assholes in Boston today.

Keep that sh*t south if I-40, where it belongs, please. Or else, bring it to my town so we can give you the welcome you so richly deserve.

Everybody’s entitled to their point of view, but I draw the line at Nazis and white supremos. Find yourself another planet to infest.

wrs, both times

Everybody’s entitled to their point of view, but I draw the line at Nazis and white supremos.

Entitled to their own opinion -- sure. But that's not a license to act on them where it impacts others.

@Pete --

@Janie
I pretty much only go there to see what you’ve written.

I'm blushing.

To save you some time: I've pretty much given up commenting there except for brief (often mildly snarky) moments. I've gotten into a couple of spats with people and not been happy with my (as I said elsewhere in this thread) hotheadedness, and the place is so crowded that it doesn't feel much like a conversation anyhow.

Except -- there are the picture threads. You probably know it, but WaterGirl gives the calendar for the week in Monday's On the Road thread, so you should always be able to tell who's coming up. This week is all PaulB in Olympic National Park again, I'm pretty sure.

WaterGirl's ways are mysterious.....but she surely works hard over there.

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