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August 03, 2021

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I know what my first comment here was. It took me a few months of lurking to work up the courage to post it. Like others, I got here on a link from Andrew Sullivan.

However much the nature of ObWi may have changed since early 2008, one thing seems to me to have stayed constant: we all came here with pre-existing ideologies, and thousands of posts and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of comments have persuaded maybe 3 of us to change our minds substantially on even one or two issues.

I can't help commenting on Donald's assertion upthread (which McTX seemed to agree with) that Rachel Maddow is a "sellout". Seems to me all of us "sell out" one way or another, but IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHO YOU SELL OUT TO.

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

--TP

lj, if you would take the effort, I'd appreciate it. Would give me a point of reference.

Hartmut

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/01/theres_been_an_.html

You even helpfully labeled it your first post!

Snarki, actually about 1 year and 8 months earlier!
https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/01/playing-to-wi-1.html

Dutch words in English which come to mind:

Poppycock: means 'pappy cack'
Forlorn hope: a 'lost troop' - a suicide mission

"Seems to me all of us "sell out" one way or another, but IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHO YOU SELL OUT TO."

*sigh* (whispering under my breath) not really.

I did cut my hair though.

I can't help commenting on Donald's assertion upthread (which McTX seemed to agree with) that Rachel Maddow is a "sellout".

You might want to reread my very brief comments more carefully. I was acknowledging Donald's statements to the effect that listening to other voices is useful and ObWi was more interesting way back when. I have no idea if Ms. Maddow is a sell-out or not, but would not be surprised if she has made compromises along the way. We don't have regular television. Only Netflix and Prime. We use a hotspot. I have no idea what Fox or MSNBC or CNN have to say about any particular issue nor do I care. Mostly, I read at night.

LJ, if you would be so kind, I would like to know when I first commented. Thank you.

I salute your Google-fu, lj.

McT, here you go.

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/07/mccain-and-obam.html

Thanks! Can’t believe how equivocal I was. Back then.

I enjoyed reading McKT's subtly nuanced viewpoint.

It occurs to me that there's a stronger than usually anchoring effect at work in his proposed reaction to rising marginal income tax rates. If one has made enough money when tax rates are low, one will be all the more ready to wind down if they go up. However, if tax rates are high throughout one's high-earning life, one will tend to work longer and harder, so as to accumulate what one perceives to be enough.

How much did McKT's tax rate actually go up?

lj, Thank you!

Forlorn hope: a 'lost troop' - a suicide mission

German: 'Verlorener Haufen' (literally lost heap). Haufen is short for Heerhaufen and in general means a unit of infantry. The early pike formations of the Swiss and the later Landksnecht armies (that imitated the former) were known as Gewalthaufen (violence heap). In Luther's Bible translation one can find (Genesis 34:30): 'und ich bin nur ein geringer Haufe' (an I am but a small heap), which in English Bibles comes out as 'and I am but few in number'.
These days Haufen, if referring to people, is rather peiorative and strongly implies low degree of organisation. In the old days it did not automatically carry that connotation (those pike blocs were rather elite and extremly efficient for their time)
[the finale of the film Alatriste gives a good impression with its Spanish tercio].

I think it is not really surprising that Haufen (via Dutch 'hoop') ended up as 'hope' not 'heap' in English in the context of 'forlorn' since it often occured in hopeless situations or the participants had little hope to get out of it alive, so it became synonymous with suicide mission. Folk etymology.

Nowadays in English "forlorn hope" usually means a vain hope. The association with soldiering has been lost.

The closest I can get to contributing to this etymological discussion is mentioning that I have a dog that is half Norwegian Elkhound, with "elk hound" being a bad English translation of "moose dog" in Norwegian, using English words that sound the most like the Norwegian words without respect to their meaning in Norwegian.

Erm, "elk" in British English includes what our transatlantic friends call a moose. The translation looks fine to us.

This is obviously bait for me...

I have here with me in the studio an elk.

Is there some other word for "squirrel" in British English? Bullwinkle J. Elk is asking.

Bobby Elk And The Moosedogs is the name of my Traditional Canadian square dance band.

I had never heard that elk sketch before. And given that I invented the expression "to pack the elk costume" to describe a close relative's tendency to pack everything which could imaginably be needed on holiday, I am delighted to have heard it now!

I look at everybody else's first post dates and I feel like such a child! No idea when my first post was, but pretty sure it was much more recent.

wj, you are no slouch

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/10/real-support.html

Wow, from feeling like a child to senior moment in one small step.

Is there some other word for "squirrel" in British English?

No, but there is an unequal struggle between the plucky but outcompeted European Red Squirrel and the evil, probably CIA-backed, American Grey* Squirrel.

Red squirrels are no longer seen hereabouts. The greys spend the autumn digging holes in my lawn to bury acorns, which they promptly forget about.

But the English are fighting back.

*or "gray"

I had never heard that elk sketch before.

This is the version I was familiar with, from the TV show, which doesn't have the "an elk" intro.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2oh8ia

This (or the audio-only version from the record) is the source of the "This is my theory, which is mine" thing you may occasionally notice people using here.

*or "gray"

A friend of mine gives me flack for spelling it "grey." I've always spelled it that way for some reason, even as a kid, but she thinks it's pretentious.

the only grey's i recognize are horses and earls.

everything else is gray,

also, i like apostrophe's on plural's and tails on periods,

you can't handle my punctuation!

so lj,

what was the first time I wandered into these hallowed halls? The time I defended the Weathermen against Gary Farber? The time I made a snide remark about Seb's rice cooker?

So many embarrassments. Hard to keep track.

Thanks.

Ah, I had wondered where "this is my theory, which is mine" came from. I also wondered about "also, too", but I think I gathered recently that that was a Palinism.

As for the plucky but outcompeted European Red Squirrel and the evil, probably CIA-backed, American Grey* Squirrel I was delighted by both descriptions. One of my treasured childhood memories is of being in Davos (in those days merely a winter sports resort), and the local doctor taking me into the forest (not a euphemism) to show me the red squirrels, who came to his call to be fed. He used to feed deer in his back garden too. It was magical, what with the backdrop of the snow-laden trees, and the hush that snow in the mountains gives. It's got to be 55 years ago, and I've never forgotten it.

I know I made a condolence comment on the long thread after Andy died. Don't know if anything came before that.

While Germans killed off their elk/moose population long ago, these anmimals are very popular around here. We are also (very likely) the greatest thieves of Sewdish moose crossing traffic signs.
The "Elch" is part of several popular sayings* and proverbs** and features prominently in the anthem of former Eastern Prussia.
Not to forget the proverbial Elchtest (originally a test whether a car is likely to tip over in an emergency evasion maneuvre).

*e.g. "ich glaub mich knutscht ein Elch" (I believe a moose is hugging me) a rather mild variant of wtf.
*e.g. Die größten Kritiker der Elche waren früher selber welche (The greatest critics of moose were ones themselves in the past) usually aimed at people that protest too much about behaviour they themselves were guilty of in the (usually no too distant) past (or in their youth, if it's the 'young people to-day...! variety)

The absolutely best elk story ever was in a long gone MIT discussion site, about a woman whose dogs started eating an elk carcass in her driveway.

The thread was widely shared, and thank Dog someone still has a link to it:

http://web.mit.edu/munch/Public/humor/elk

Be sure to empty your bladder before reading.

bobbyp, here you are, fighting under the boards with Sebastian
https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/10/you-write-malki.html

Reading that, I think one of the reasons I stayed around was the von really didn't like Malkin. Enemy of my enemy and all that.

Priest, hope that was a request
https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2007/02/things_fall_apa.html

Not quite right, but I post it cause the shout out to Hilzoy can always be appreciated

The Japanese have a kanji for moose, which has me totally flabbergasted. It's

and looking it up, it is actually the kanji for Père David's deer, an animal that has a super interesting back story.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A8re_David's_deer

Scotsman visits a natural history museum in Canada, at the exhibit of a stuffed moose, asks what it is and is told that it's a Canadian moose.

"Och, if that's a moose, y'must have rats the size of ELEPHANTS!"

“ can't help commenting on Donald's assertion upthread (which McTX seemed to agree with) that Rachel Maddow is a "sellout". Seems to me all of us "sell out" one way or another, but IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHO YOU SELL OUT TO.”

No, it matters principle you betray. In Maddow’s case she had a show beloved by a few million liberals and spent a couple of years not bothering to tell them that the Obama Administration was giving weapons and logistical assistance and fatuous apologetics on behalf of the Saudis as they bombed and starved civilians. She did stories on Yemen— I linked to a description of one and I watched it online years ago. It gave the viewer no hint whatsoever about our despicable policy at the time and Maddow, whatever else she is, is smart. She knew damn well what she was doing.

My links are more worth reading than my rants. That is a hint.

Another link, this time an interview with Spencer Ackerman about his new book. Worth reading even if you use up your free NYT article for the month ( or whatever they give no subscribers these days).

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-spencer-ackerman.html?showTranscript=1

A more direct link. This one should actually go to the transcript. I don’t know if you use up a free NYT visit going to the page that only carried the link to the transcript, which is what the previous link was.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/10/podcasts/transcript-ezra-klein-interviews-spencer-ackerman.html

I've skimmed through a bunch of posts and threads from my earliest times on ObWi. It's strange to see discussions on Republicans ginning up voter fraud as a serious threat and their tendencies toward authoritarianism in posts from 2007. I guess it was more talk and less action then on their part.

One thing that seems different are the arguments on global warming/climate change. Fourteen years later, and it seems to be becoming far more apparent. You don't have to be a scientist collecting what most people would think of as obscure data to observe evidence of what's happening these days. And that latest report - scary.

Donald: No, it matters principle you betray. In Maddow’s case she had a show beloved by a few million liberals and spent a couple of years not bothering to tell them that the Obama Administration was giving weapons and logistical assistance and fatuous apologetics on behalf of the Saudis as they bombed and starved civilians.

Maddow betrayed a principle, you say. Correct me if I'm wrong: the principle you accuse her of betraying is "Tell the whole truth, even if it makes Obama look bad and makes your liberal audience ashamed of supporting him", right?

So, would it be fair to say that Maddow "sold out to Obama"? Or not?

And, is there no difference, in your view, between selling out to Obama and selling out to He, Trump? Or Viktor Orban? Or Vladimir Putin?

I ask in all sincerity. You're as entitled to your principles as I am to mine. I just want us to be clear what our respective principles are. I stated one of my principles: it matters WHO you sell out to. You disagree. So it DOESN'T matter who you sell out to?

--TP

looking at the old posts cited here, it occurs to me that I was wrong in thinking that conservatives losing their minds is a recent phenomenon.

probably not kind of me to say, but it is what it is. I don't think much has changed, really, I've just gotten jaded.

And that latest report - scary.

yeah, we're buggered. and not just us. what used to be worst case is best case now.

drill, baby, drill. remember that? good times.

“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

Lotta Toms and Daisys around.

Pro Bono: I enjoyed reading McKT's subtly nuanced viewpoint.

That 2008 thread shows how little has changed in the viewpoints of all involved, I think.

With due allowance for the fact that it was about Obama's tax plan in particular, it's still true that the discussion (including McKinney's comments) drifted into addressing the philosophy of taxation in general. And what's generally missing from such discussions is: brackets. That the TOP bracket must of necessity start at a low enough income to make a successful lawyer think of withdrawing his valuable labor from The Economy, rather than starting at $2million/year say, generally seems to be taken for granted. McKinney's subtly nuanced viewpoint did not then (nor has it since, to my knowledge) allow for the vast disparity between his income and the REALLY high ones -- a disparity bigger than the one between McKinney's income and the median one.

--TP

The difference between back then and now is that now we have entire media architectures built to capture and keep people in their silos. There was more cross-talk in the past and the conversations were less driven by social media algorithms.

Remember google bombing?

Disinformation is big business and online celebrity these days.

McKinney's subtly nuanced viewpoint did not then (nor has it since, to my knowledge) allow for the vast disparity between his income and the REALLY high ones -- a disparity bigger than the one between McKinney's income and the median one.

I've tried many times to get that point across to McKinney. I think I actually did so successfully a couple of times, but it never seemed to stick. The next time taxes came up, back to square one. "You [insert dismissive insult for liberals/progressives/The Left] always think..." without any discussion of the specifics. And like when discussing race, it always revolved around anecdotes about his law firm.

But, hey, no one's putting a gun to my head. I still take the bait!

Pet peeve of mine that McK's old comment reminds me of: the talk was constantly of the "$250k bracket." But by the time of those discussions, the top bracket had been indexed to upwards of $400K, if i remember correctly, and no one realized that or at least acknowledged it. I know it's nothing compared to the difference between that cutoff and REALLY big incomes, but it's still a lot.

That 2008 thread shows how little has changed in the viewpoints of all involved, I think.

Well, one thing that has changed is that we know a lot more about each other. No one who has been around is going to explain to McKT about the court system, hopefully he's realized that I don't live in the US, we've figured out other people's back stories so we can take that into account when we talk to each other. That's not nothing, methinks.

Balkinazation stopped allowing reader comments in the last year or so (Covid time frame is a struggle), up until then Brett was still commenting there if one felt the need to indulge a certain type of nostalgia.

The good old days when blog comment threads were hashing the pros and cons of torture.

That's not nothing, methinks.

No, not nothing at all. Probably why we stick around. We've gotten to know each other. Which probably says more than I have time to think about right now. My trial wraps up today. I'll try to find a minute for some more mellow, noncontroversial exchanges later this week.

ProB--I was doing a lot of yoga back then. It kept me totally centered.

Speaking of squirrels, as we were, I have just seen on a nature documentary (Earth from Space) adorable, tiny female Siberian Flying Squirrels, which, while normally solitary, during snowbound winters on Japanese islands, meet up with stranger squirrels and share dens for the winter. According to the Asahi Shimbun, they are called the ninja of the forest

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/photo/27529007

my wife grew up near Kent OH. at some point somebody at the state university there got hold of some black squirrels, and either they released them or the squirrels escaped.

so now the official critter of Kent OH is the black squirrel. there are bumper stickers and everything.

they migrate around, we had a few here where we are for a couple of years, but the gray squirrels kicked them out.

gray squirrels are apparently obnoxious dudes.

“ Maddow betrayed a principle, you say. Correct me if I'm wrong: the principle you accuse her of betraying is "Tell the whole truth, even if it makes Obama look bad and makes your liberal audience ashamed of supporting him", right?”

The issue is not which politician gets betrayed. The issue was and still is that we were and are helping the Saudis kill innocent people in very large numbers and Maddow and most of the other MSNBC hosts ignored it. For years. Yes, I think it was because this type of issue doesn’t fit into MSNBC’s business model,at least not then. It didn’t fit the model of Democrats good, Republicans bad. Many issues do, IMO, but not all. The anti interventionist position is starting to make headway. Maybe their business model will change.

The issue is the killing of innocent people with our help and it is unbelievable that I have to spell this out. Maddow with her platform should have spent a significant part of her time on this— maybe a serious story every couple of weeks, perhaps every time there was a major air strike or another report on starving children. Something like that, maybe more, maybe less, but all of her regular viewers should have known about this.

Back to lurking.

The anti interventionist position is starting to make headway

Donald, I'm just watching the situation in Afghanistan unfold. Obviously, nobody wanted this to happen exactly in this way, but would you (as I think a serious anti interventionist) be prepared to say what your feelings on the current situation are?

Maddow is a favorite of, yes, the Democratic pragmatist centrists, who do have a point that we must achieve all policy wins by coalition.

But in return, they bitterly complain whenever progressives point out the people being sacrificed in the name of that policy win. And they seem to want to make themselves out to be self-sacrificing martyrs to the liberal cause. Look at all the principles they have compromised in order to get that win. It hurt them to do it, but they are pragmatists and grown-ups and will take the moral Purple Heart, thank you, because they fought that battle and won.

I think there is room both for compromise and for an unflinching look at the cost of that compromise, along with deep questions about whether something can be done to make that sacrifice unnecessary the next time.

Donald, I'm just watching the situation in Afghanistan unfold. Obviously, nobody wanted this to happen exactly in this way, but would you (as I think a serious anti interventionist) be prepared to say what your feelings on the current situation are?

I'm interested in Donald's view as well.

I think it's a horrible situation, but I also think that the descent of Afghanistan back into theocratic warlordism is unavoidable. The cost of intervention, in wasted resources and broken humans, is unsustainable and we have made no headway against this tide in 20 years of attempts at transformation/mitigation. I've had long talks with two people I know personally who were embedded over there during the height of the occupation, and they both came away with the sense that, however good the US's intentions, and the good faith efforts of our troops, we did not have either the resources or the understanding to do anything but mark time.

I think we'll get more mitigation from investing in humanitarian approaches than we will from intervention.

And our interventionist militarism has helped to fuel the US's own problems with warlord bands of radicalized soldiers desensitized by trauma. We have our own damaged and violent population to deal with.

they bitterly complain whenever progressives point out the people being sacrificed in the name of that policy win.

As opposed to (some*) progressives, who bitterly complain when centerists make a pragmatic compromise in order to get a partial win. Instead of refusing to compromise and getting nothing.

* Others, Sanders for example, seem to be taking the pragmatic approach of taking half a loaf when he can get it. Not abandoning his overall goals, but willing to take a small win (and, perhaps, move the Overton window).

Reading an old book (1930's?) about wildlife in Eastern PA, my all-too-fallible memory is that it claimed that the gray squirrels were an English invader. Maybe it's like "Spanish Pox" where everyone blames someone else.

The little red squirrels, which almost never run around the ground, so you only see them in areas that have trees connecting to a larger forest, called "chickorees" were said to be native. They gray squirrels seem to drive them off.

Northern midwest (Wisconsin, Michigan, etc) are said to have LARGE red squirrels.

Also saw a flying squirrels, lying dead outside a large window. Should have tested it for polonium or Novichok, I guess.

I think it's a horrible situation, but I also think that the descent of Afghanistan back into theocratic warlordism is unavoidable.

Agreed. But I think that we could, and should, be doing a lot more to help those who supported us to get out (rather than stay and get themselves and probably their entire families killed). The cost of that, even if (to be as extreme as possible) we resettled them here and supported them at public expense for life, would be less than continuing the war.

As opposed to (some*) progressives, who bitterly complain when centerists make a pragmatic compromise in order to get a partial win. Instead of refusing to compromise and getting nothing.

That is the counter-narrative. Martyrs vs. Purity Bingo.

But the antagonistic stance is not necessary. We could acknowledge the disconnects on the left and still work in solidarity. We're all just too addicted to the sports radio hot takes and team rivalries.

Agreed. But I think that we could, and should, be doing a lot more to help those who supported us to get out (rather than stay and get themselves and probably their entire families killed). The cost of that, even if (to be as extreme as possible) we resettled them here and supported them at public expense for life, would be less than continuing the war.

Make it so.

is it time for the periodic reminder that "left" != pacifism ?

Huh, call that a red squirrel, do you?

http://naturemappingfoundation.org/natmap/facts/douglas_squirrel_712.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_red_squirrel

I think not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_squirrel#/media/File:Squirrel_posing.jpg

(not to mention, regard the highly superior ear tufts of the European or Eurasian red squirrel).

When I were a lass (see Four Yorkshiremen sketch) there were only red squirrels around in the UK. Now, they have (as Pro Bono mentioned) been outcompeted by those obnoxious dudes the NORTH AMERICAN GRAY SQUIRRELS

https://www.britannica.com/animal/North-American-gray-squirrel

and are confined to parts of Scotland and certain offshore islands. Part of the greys' advantage is apparently that they can carry, but are immune to, squirrel pox. (Disclaimer: this description should not be construed as making any statement regarding the risk of infectious diseases brought in by immigrants.)

On Afghanistan, the whole thing is so distressing as to be almost unwatchable. I admit I supported the original war in Afghanistan (although clearly not in Iraq) after 9/11, on the grounds of a) the laws of war, and b) because of the situation of Afghan women under Taliban rule. I have just seen an Afghan woman in Kabul, who has been working for 20 years on education for women and for Afghan democracy, interviewed on C4 news, talking fearfully but fatalistically about what is now likely to happen. Interestingly, when asked if she blamed the US and the Brits for the withdrawal and the swift collapse, she said not at all, she blamed the corrupt and incompetent Afghan government who have been supported for 20 years and still prove unable to do anything. The whole thing is absolutely horrible.

A cynic might say that to be corrupt and incompetent (except in torture and putting down civilians) tends to be a prerequisite to get installed or supported as ruler by the US (with Central Europe post WW2 being a rare exception).

As for squirrels, I cannot remember ever having seen a gray one around here. Red ones are more rare these days than they used to be when I was a kid (if my memory is correct) but they are the only ones.
Foxes seem to have become far more common.
And wild boar seem to be quite attracted to the big city these days and whole family units even show up far from the next wooded area/park in the middle of the day. Tourpigsm?

in some parts of the US (NY great lakes area, for one), the gray squirrels are black. we call them 'squirrels'.

The genetic trait that produces black panthers is the same that also produces black gray squirrels.

red squirrels...are confined to parts of Scotland and certain offshore islands

Not quite true. There's a nature reserve in Formby, on the coast north of Liverpool, where I've seen them.

(I suppose George Formby, or his father, took his name from the place.)

I have never seen any squirrels other than the gray ones here in Western Washington, though if the red squirrels ever were here, they might still be in the remaining wild areas.

I am very fond of the large red squirrels with the ear tufts: they look quite badass. And also quite fond of whichever species of squirrel whose males have humongous balls, because it's apparently very easy to take inadvertently pornographic photos of them.

In rural areas down here in Georgia we have fox squirrels. I've only seen one once, I was driving down a two lane back road and on the shoulder/nearby yard I saw a creature I didn't recognize, more like the size of a small cat but hopping around in a non-catlike way. A cousin later informed me what I had most likely seen.

Fox squirrels! Big squirrels with pink bones! In addition to the ObWi Department which teaches incompetents basic HTML etc, the ObWi Natural History Department is doing sterling work!

https://animalia.bio/eastern-fox-squirrel

Y'all are nuts.

chipmunks are better than squirrels, because they have racing strips.

and "chipmunk" comes from the Ottawa word for "red squirrel".

s/strips/stripes/

Do they do racy strips too?
But let's hope they don't start singing.
(either in the sense of vocalizing or trying to set fire to something)

Do they do racy strips too?

Do the tree trunks constitute poles they are dancing with?

Chipmunk Punk!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHs1aozCbtM

Alas and alak. The Supreme Court rejected a request to block Indiana University’s requirement that students be vaccinated for covid-19. (Eight students sued the university saying the mandate violated their constitutional rights.) Actually, it eas Justice Amy Coney Barrett (acting alone**) who rejected the petition.

Sometimes, you appoint someone you think is an ideologue for your side. And they turn out not to be a totally blind rubber stamp. How irritating.

** The Supreme Court has some arcane procedures for deciding whether a petition for an expedited hearing, which is what this was, gets approved.

lj, would you mind finding my first post as well, thanks!

I'll probably be embarrassed, if only for the fact that it must have been almost 20 years ago ...

Btw, does anybody know what happened to Gary Farber and Jesurgislac?

Also, I fondly remember Edward Winkleman who was a gentleman - and wise enough to get out of here in time, lol.

don't recall exactly why Gary left, but he's active on FB: https://www.facebook.com/gary.farber

Jesurgislac's last comment was apparently in 2011. she had been lurking on and off for a while before then, though.

i sortof remember there being a conflict between her and Gary, which lead her to take a break that never really ended except for a handful of drop-ins.

As far as I remember, Jesurgislac just disappeared. No preparation, no trigger that was apparent, no explanation. I've tried to find a trace of her a couple of times over the years with no luck. She did have a presence in a couple of other places on the web, with the same handle, and she disappered from those places too. Unlike some of us now, years later, she had not, as far as I ever saw, given away any information about herself in real life, so I never had anything to go on but her handle.

If anyone knows, it would be nice to know she's okay and just decided one day to go off and do other things.

From Gary's FB bio:

*Before* impugning an opponent's motives, even when they legitimately may be impugned, answer his arguments."
-- Sidney Hook

I like it.

Thanks for the updates - I'm glad Gary is well apparently.

I thought Jesurgislac clashed with Brett once too often and it was either about abortion or the question whether to ask women to be more cautious about situations where they could be in risk of rape is blame shifting in disguise.

Can't remember either why Gary left. Wasn't there something about his health too at the time?

Gary had some issues with gout IIRC, and was struggling to keep a roof over his head as a full-time blogger.

More than anything, though, I think losing Andrew marked the end of his tenure here. I believe both he and Hilzoy went to Andrew's memorial at Ft. Carson, and both left the blog shortly thereafter.

At least that's how I remember it.

Gary was around for several years after Andrew died.

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2011/02/remeet-liberal-japonicus-new-obwi-front-pager-longtime-presence.html

He even became a front pager. Left not long after that if my hazy memory serves.

He was still looking in here:

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2012/04/a-saturday-morning-fusion-thread.html

Last Farber comment ever:

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2012/11/your-standards-of-beauty-friday-open-thread.html?cid=6a00d834515c2369e2017ee4cb0724970d#comment-6a00d834515c2369e2017ee4cb0724970d

There had been nothing since April, but before that there seems to have been a steady presence.

I will let this go now, but Gary and Jes were such strong presences here that it has always been strange to have them among the missing.

Gary was around for several years after Andrew died.

Ah...then it must have been that my own participation got eaten by a dissertation around that time, which is why I don't remember much of Gary after that point.

Hoping Slarti and OC Steve are doing okay, too.

Hoping Slarti and OC Steve are doing okay, too.

Yes, me too. OCSteve especially for this:

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2009/11/wanted-thread-or-alive.html?cid=6a00d834515c2369e20120a658740c970b#comment-6a00d834515c2369e20120a658740c970b

which he de-lurked to write. On my list of most treasured comments of all time.

novakant, here you go.

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2004/11/endorsement.html

Looking at the post nous put up, I see I wrote this

I feel, because the two posts below this one deserve to be on the top of the blog, but as I wrote in the deleted post, I'm going to try and get an open thread up every Friday. I went with Friday nite my time, which is Friday morning for the bulk of the folks here, and I'll try to find the sweet spot in terms of time as we go along.

So, will try that again.

I seem to remember that OCSteve stopped by not that long ago, maybe even in the last year.

I read (somewhat hastily) that whole thread with the OC Steve comment. My own comments make me today want to tell me then to STFU. Oy vey!

Speaking of chipmunks, videos like this, help me forget the state of the world these days. Anybody recognize the 2nd language in the captions?

--TP

Latest OCSteve comment -- Oct 31, 2018, several entries; before that, 2013.

https://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2018/10/the-unwanted-guests.html?cid=6a00d834515c2369e2022ad39d21c4200d#comment-6a00d834515c2369e2022ad39d21c4200d


Wow, that thread I linked to for novakant was some eerie forshadowing...

Tony, that's Korean. A whole set of videos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs2Xfykq6ONapqI6TFKNyOg

which I'm going to use for Korean study!

I'm thinking that she is a Korean woman married to a Canadian.

Thanks lj

Wow, I knew that my sense of time had been very fucked up in the last few years, but I could have sworn that OCSteve had dropped by more recently than that! Salutary realisation....

Wow, I knew that my sense of time had been very fucked up in the last few years

Mine has been that way for a while, worse in the pandemic phase. Sometimes I can't tell if something was a week ago or a couple of years. Part of it, but only part, is that it's almost like the year and a half of COVID is time out of time, so things that happened just before the shutdowns started seem like a couple of weeks ago.

Same. And in addition, come to think of it, that last comment of OCSteve was just days before my mother died, so no wonder it's lost in a whirl of confusion.

Part of it, but only part, is that it's almost like the year and a half of COVID is time out of time, so things that happened just before the shutdowns started seem like a couple of weeks ago.

https://xkcd.com/2502/
We can only hope 2022 doesn't need an asterisk as well. Hope, but not, alas, expect.

Ditto on COVID screwing up my sense of time. “Oh, wait. That was two years ago.” I say that a lot.

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