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April 04, 2021

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seriously over-simplistic

Tucker "The Dusky Types Will Replace Us All" Carlson is Fox News' leading star right now.

Trump based his whole political career on white nationalism, and the GOP still adores him.

white nationalism is where Republicanism is these days.

this America First crap is just a hard-copy of what they've been saying for the past five years.

Cheney and Kinzinger are outliers in the GOP, two of the few who dared tell the truth about the election results while the rest of the GOP was off in its fantasy world.

Just posted something if people would like to go there and discuss some of the points about trans that have come up.

So, JDT, on this it would seem that conflating "Republican" and these rwnj's is seriously over-simplistic. There's plenty to criticize in today's GOP. No need to use the folks even many of them see as nutters to do so.

I'd like to think so, but so far the rest of the GOP is still treating the White Nationalists as family and the Democrats as tribal enemies.

I won't believe that the GOP is reversing its spiral into nihilism until enough of their leaders break ranks with the White Nationalist agenda and actually work to pass a bipartisan policy.

The GOP is still terminally ill so long as the America First caucus is seen as the lesser of two evils, and not as the social malignancy that it is.

I won't believe that the GOP is reversing its spiral into nihilism until enough of their leaders break ranks with the White Nationalist agenda

Note, however, that if it continues down (in both senses) that path, it will also shrink into electoral irrelevance.

Granted, in that case they will necessarily get really serious about ending democracy. As in, nobody gets a say who disagrees with them. Not just nobody who fails to meet their definition of "white" (which likely gets ever narrower), but nobody who disagrees.

I don't see that approach succeeding -- although I'm a notorious optimist. Not only are the raw numbers against them. The numbers get worse among younger voters.

Extreme parties (left as well as right) often have more than one wing. The question is, whether this will lead to a split, to a stamping out of all but one by force or a noxious coalition against the common enemy, i.e. anyone not extreme*. The GOP is used to the latter long enough that I doubt that it will break them. And they have a base to fleece, which takes precedence over almost anything else.

*even the Nazis and the communists joined forces in the Weimar Republic on occasion to fight (literally, i.e. armed street-fighting) against the Social Democrats (who had been declared to be the primary foe by Stalin).

And they have a base to fleece, which takes precedence over almost anything else.

Their challenge is that they have ramped up the base sufficiently that it may not tolerate internal disagreement. At least, it may become far more difficult to fleece if there is tolerance of disagreement on the part of those running the con.

The GA laws do not "threaten" democracy. That is simply not the case.

I don't understand this claim. If "threat to democracy" means anything it's the danger that a less popular party will be able to keep itself in power by manipulating elections.

So gerrymandering is a threat to democracy. Voter suppression is a threat to democracy. The whole system of partisan management of elections is a threat to democracy. How could they not be?

Their challenge is that they have ramped up the base sufficiently that it may not tolerate internal disagreement.

just give them a new charismatic (to them, anyway) huckster to follow and they'll fall in line, as they always do.

just give them a new charismatic (to them, anyway) huckster to follow and they'll fall in line

But will they tolerant deviance from the new line? I'd bet not. This is, after all, a party where, today, Reagan and Bush would be denounced as RINOs. And would be unlikely to get nominated for national office.

Cheney and Kinzinger are outliers in the GOP, two of the few who dared tell the truth about the election results while the rest of the GOP was off in its fantasy world.

Myself, I think Liz Cheney is bright enough to know Wyoming is facing problems -- including being the only Mountain West state that's managed to lose population in the last few years -- and the America First caucus isn't helping solve those. And then there's that SW Wyoming is very much a part of the so-called Mormon Corridor, and the "anglo-saxon political tradition" towards the LDS Church was not a kind one.

The whole system of partisan management of elections is a threat to democracy. How could they not be?

You are entirely correct, Pro Bono. But McKinney was unprepared to admit that "on its face", the GA law suppressed the vote of, or disadvantaged any voters, let alone a particular set. And I suppose, on Earth 2, GA state government could go to either party. But your point holds: partisan management itself is the threat.

And then there's that SW Wyoming is very much a part of the so-called Mormon Corridor, and the "anglo-saxon political tradition" towards the LDS Church was not a kind one.

A few years back a Mormon friend remarked, "The Baptists in Kentucky think they're being persecuted? Tell them I said, 'When you have been chased out of multiple states by the mobs with tar and feathers, and driven most of the way across the continent, you can come talk to me about persecution.'"

She is such a lovely, gentle person that the bitterness really took me by surprise.

https://digbysblog.net/2021/04/midnight-crazytrain-to-georgia/

The Republican Party is a vote-stealing puke funnel.

They are massing to commit genocide.

They will murder RINOs first.

And the RINOs know it:

https://money.yahoo.com/mitt-romney-liz-cheney-other-151428154.html

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