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January 11, 2021

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Auto correct reds to learn “Biden”

The Dude abides!

My autocorrect has already learned Biden. He said smugly.

Good with me, so should we start the Biden investigations now?

Go for it.

Too much GftNC on this thread!

Unpossible!!!

A very late footnote to an earlier comment that passed by a while back. This from McKinney:

Trying to say that rioting and burning over police violence is understandable and--as one commenter state here--justified as potentially a part of negotiating for more power (or words to that effect)

I believe McKinney is referring to my mention that riots may have one positive effect in that they cost a lot of money and wear people down. I never said that this justified rioting. It doesn't. What actually happens is that people respond to property damage by escalating enforcement, which costs a lot of money and sets the clock ticking on how much and how long they will continue to support. If the answer to that, as is often the case, is that the rioters feel they have nothing to lose, and if the escalated response broadens the grievance, then there is greater violence and greater cost and pressure starts to slide towards winding the conflict down.

See also Iraq.

That's not justification, that's analysis in response to the question of what a riot accomplishes.

I expected (and expect) that McKinney would (and will) create narratives out of this assertion that favor his version of things. He is ever the lawyer in his habits of mind. My own habits of mind lean towards analysis and deliberation, which is why people like him always excuse people like me in the first round of jury selection. ;)

It is incumbent upon all Americans to ignore and disobey all fake conservative movement laws legislated/adjudicated at all levels of government:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/13/2008844/-Supreme-Court-goes-6-3-in-favor-of-the-forced-birthers-and-unneeded-rule-on-abortion-by-pill

Greene must be dealt with:

https://www.mediamatters.org/january-6-insurrection/social-media-posts-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-called-her-democratic

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), a veteran

there are more troops right now in Washington, D.C., than in Afghanistan, and they are here to defend us against . . . the president of the United States and his mob.

I'm sitting here a week before Biden's inauguration, shaking my head over the reality that Trump's base is utterly incapable of accepting the fact that he lost.

As in, they'll take up fucking arms and storm the Capitol, because they can't accept the fact that their guy lost.

If people can't accept the fact that people who aren't like them, and who have different interests and a different point of view, live in the same country as them, *and deserve a voice in the country's governance*, then this country is not going to survive in its present form.

Good thing, bad thing, I have no idea. Depends on whatever would happen next.

But if there's going to be a United States of America, Trump supporters are going to have to get over themselves.

You're "not taking your country back", it's not "your country" to take back. It belongs to all of us. You all are destroying it.

There is nothing in my power to do that I'm not already doing that is going to make it any more likely for them to give up this fucking pile of lies and move on. It is 100% up to them.

It's not "your country". The country belongs to all of us. Get it through your thick freaking skulls.

I continue to be amazed at how incomprehensible it is to these people that any negative consequences might come to them for any of this. Crying in the airport because they've been put on no-fly lists. Amazed that they were maced, after assaulting police officers. Smiling for camera as they run around the Capitol, vandalizing offices, stealing stuff, beating the shit out of cops, and generally running amok. Let alone hunting Congresspeople as if they were prey, with god knows what in mind.

The FBI and similar will likely come knocking for many or most of these folks over the next days and weeks. They will have some serious explaining to do, and some of them will be looking at significant jail time.

So be it.

I'm not sure where we all go from here. It's weird to consider sharing a country with people who thought it was a good idea to assault, capture, and possibly kill the folks we've chosen to represent us. Like, right out in the open, as if there was nothing untoward or remarkable about it. They need to make a good case for why the rest of us should put up with them for one New York freaking minute.

In my opinion.

Wise up, is my advice to them. Not that they give a crap what I think. But they really need to wise the hell up.

"We need healing". "We need to come together". No, you all need to straighten up and fly right. You all got caught trying on an American version of the fucking Gunpowder Plot.

No healing until you own that.

wrs, times infinity.

I am not in a forgiving mood.

Things that make you wonder

Some FBI officials have said that the bureau and DHS didn't produce a bulletin for Jan. 6 out of concern that doing so might run afoul of First Amendment free speech protections that allow people to protest and assemble peacefully.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/13/956359496/why-didnt-the-fbi-and-dhs-produce-a-threat-report-ahead-of-the-capitol-insurrect

It is a mystery...

russell: If people can't accept the fact that people who aren't like them...

By my measure, the central prerequisite for being a mature adult is understanding that other people are

1) truly "other," and

2) real.

I.e., not the same as the phantasms in your head or the roles you've assigned them in your movie.

Until relatively recently, I've always been inspired to think about this in the context of personal relationships (family dynamics, romantic relationships, friendships, etc.). Our present predicament has brought citizenship dynamics into the mix as well.

WASF.

It will be interesting to see if the news tidbit in David Anderson's current BJ thread bears the kind of fruit he hopes it will.

*****

CaseyL: I am not in a forgiving mood.

Nor am I. I had to go to a doctor's appointment today. I usually listen to the radio only when I'm in the car, so I never hear it these days because I never go anywhere. Every time I turned it on (NPR) I heard another R lying his face off and had to turn it off. Luckily my Christmas CDs were still in the car, so I had a last session with the Ray Conniff Singers for another ten and a half months.

The link in Anderson's BJ post:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/13/zello-app-us-capitol-attack-far-right

How is it that the foreign press once scoops the journalistic malfeasance we call the press in America.

They have to tell US how our own government is being overthrown by the subhuman terrorist conservative movement.

David Anderson's current BJ thread

people are calling for stronger restrictions on social media and messaging.

I say, if somebody's engaged in seditious conspiracy, by all means capture it on history's most public and persistent broadcast medium.

a 21st century blessing: may all your enemies have a robust online presence

These TBogg-unit threads remind me of the days we argued so bitterly over torture, during the W Administration.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked that there could be pro-torture commenters.

Gobsmacked, horrified, appalled, repulsed... as if I'd come to debate an issue of politics and ethics, and stepped into someone's private porn stash instead.

I was horrified, not only because I thought being anti-torture was one of those unquestioned values we were supposed to have as civilized people/Americans/whatever, and not only because torture is an atrocity (and a war crime), but also because... it doesn't even work at getting actionable intelligence.

I remember people trying to repeat all this, over and over again, and the pro-torture commenters just... basically ignoring everything the anti-torturers said. Because the pro-torture commenters wanted so badly to believe torture was a good thing, or they just wanted torture to be a thing that "we" could do with impunity.

This is so much the same dynamic. People who have glommed onto an idea that is not only wrong, not only an affront to the very idea of a representative democracy, not only deeply destructive to the very notion of a United States... but also doing so in service to the most appallingly unworthy object of devotion the body politic has ever coughed up.

Some of us knew way back then that we were seeing the destruction of the US as a global force for good in the world. I'm not sure how many realized that we were also seeing the cynical, deliberate destruction of the American value system, or what we liked to believe were American values... and how it would come back to bite us in our own domestic politics.

a 21st century blessing: may all your enemies have a robust online presence

And be dumb enough (as many of them seem to be) to talk about your criminal plans -- makes proving conspiracy easier. And then post pictures and videos of yourself and your buddies committing those crimes.

(They also don't appear to realize that deleting your posts doesn't remove them from the backups that all social media companies routinely make. Happily, the police do know.)

Sadly, I think the "dumb enough" part won't last. There will come a smarter bunch who know better than the incriminate themselves in this dumbass way.

"Happily, the police do know.)"

Even the police across the country doing the insurrectionist posting on social media?

Even the police across the country doing the insurrectionist posting on social media?

There's definitely a difference between what is known to an institution/organization collectively, and what is known to each and every member. Plus, in this case, it's sufficient if the Feds' experts know.

Sadly, I think the "dumb enough" part won't last.

It's true. There's a constant cycle of law enforcement figuring something out, and then criminals (at least some of them) getting the message and adapting. Like fingerprints. Today, even a merely average criminal realizes that gloves are a good idea; but lots still don't and leave prints at the scene.

Persistent online presence only helps while there is a functioning, centralized institutional presence to follow up and to prosecute and to enforce.

I say again...flood the zone with shit is the information warfare equivalent of shock and awe and what we are seeing in both the right and left vis a vis "resistance" is a sort of Internet Protocol for non-governmental actors. The communication and organization flows around it. The government is shutting down the channels after the fact. As long as there are channels being left open and people who have freedom to air their grievances, we will have the potential for this violence as a persistent feature. And as long as the aggrieved can continue to recruit and radicalize using that, we will have a supply of would-be insurgents.

To be clear, I don't want those freedoms to go away. I don't want those channels to go away. But the enlightenment model of rights, laws and governance is under terrible strain and we may need to find a new way to articulate and negotiate the balance between individual freedom and collective interdependency or we will watch as society fragments and implodes.

Truly, if there is one thing the last week should teach us, it's that the only thing that keeps the lights on is protocol.

Loyalty is so totally one-way

Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election.
But stiffing those who work for him is definitely a point of constancy.

And a senior administration official says “He is feeling increasingly alone and isolated and frustrated. One of the metrics by which he’s often judged any number of things is: ‘Who’s out there saying good things about me or fighting on my behalf?’ And he never seemed to think there were enough people doing it strongly enough.” Now, in the final days, this official said, “it’s like death by a thousand cuts.”

Aaaaaw....

As long as there are channels being left open and people who have freedom to air their grievances, we will have the potential for this violence as a persistent feature. And as long as the aggrieved can continue to recruit and radicalize using that, we will have a supply of would-be insurgents.

Well, yes and no.

Of course, those who really want certain content can always just go somewhere else to get it. But deplatforming can still drain the bad actors’ audience and change the behavior of the subscribers left behind. A study posted on the prepublication site arXiv last fall analyzed what happened after Reddit banned r/TheDonald and r/Incels, both of which spurred users to create off-platform communities. The researchers found that, compared to the subreddits, “there was a substantial decrease in the number of newcomers, active users, and posts” on the new sites, but they also noted that they found “an increase in the relative activity for both communities: per user, substantially more daily posts occurred on the fringe websites.”

A similar pattern was seen after Facebook banned high-profile members of anti-vaccination groups such as Larry Cook, whose page had some 195,000 followers on Facebook. He moved to Parler where, before it was shut down, he had 14,000 [less than 10% as many] followers. [Emphasis added]

So, not a total solution. But still, a significant improvement.

I've had some hushed, but instructive discussions with my Chinese students about deplatforming and information as well (coming from an information environment that gives the institution much more control). Just because fewer people visit and stay active does not necessarily mean that fewer engaged people get the information or are in the loop. Sometimes it just means that fewer people are visible and exposed.

One thing that I've been reading is that the closing down of Parler and other similar steps are having the effect of blinding enforcement forces, which is ironic because it could make violence on the 20th worse because the groups that are planning to take action may still be planning to, but it becomes harder to track them perhaps.

wj's comment suggests that had this been done earlier, there might have been less chance. But imagine twitter shutting down Trump in mid december. It's like I said earlier about taking steps to deal with the pandemic: Everything is an overreaction, until it isn't.

crossposted with nous. What you don't realize is that Americans don't have the attention spans of Chinese or indeed, any other country. That's what makes us so great [/sarcasm]

This is at so many levels an existential commentary on our bullshit epoch.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/technology/bitcoin-passwords-wallets-fortunes.html

I'd enlarge upon that, but I'm on the cusp of a vast, empty desert of no longer giving a sh*t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nYElwd1mNM

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/lawyers-and-doctors-making-americas-crisis-worse/617673/

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1349500266773585925?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1349509183289266176%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com%2F2021%2F01%2Fa-riot-of-my-own


https://www.balloon-juice.com/2021/01/14/late-night-insurrection-open-thread-gop-scaff-raff-bob-tail/

Flying over deplorable filth America to overthrow the US Government, but looking good:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2021/01/a-riot-of-my-own

https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1349509183289266176/photo/1

It took a long time for people to realize what so many in the Republican party "stood for," including many in the Republican party. Now more people know. We have the benefit of having elected someone as President who stands for what many of us believe are American values. We have slight majorities in both houses of Congress.

We need to fight these people as hard as we can with this - starting with prosecuting domestic terrorists, all of them, every single time. We can't continue to whitewash fascism, because people need to know what it is they're against. We have to fight the both-siders by holding the line with solidarity and constancy.

We're not going to win easily, and we'll suffer setbacks (knowing that we've always had this fight), but we need to have hope and determination. We have to win. And we will win.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked that there could be pro-torture commenters.

Gobsmacked, horrified, appalled, repulsed... as if I'd come to debate an issue of politics and ethics, and stepped into someone's private porn stash instead.

I was horrified, not only because I thought being anti-torture was one of those unquestioned values we were supposed to have as civilized people/Americans/whatever, and not only because torture is an atrocity (and a war crime), but also because... it doesn't even work at getting actionable intelligence.

I remember people trying to repeat all this, over and over again, and the pro-torture commenters just... basically ignoring everything the anti-torturers said. Because the pro-torture commenters wanted so badly to believe torture was a good thing, or they just wanted torture to be a thing that "we" could do with impunity.

This is so much the same dynamic. People who have glommed onto an idea that is not only wrong, not only an affront to the very idea of a representative democracy, not only deeply destructive to the very notion of a United States... but also doing so in service to the most appallingly unworthy object of devotion the body politic has ever coughed up.

I think this is exactly right, like a great deal of CaseyL's analysis. And her description of her reaction to the pro-torture apologists was also mine. I (obvious, out-and-proud atheist) even found myself telling a lovely, young Christian friend whom I had known since babyhood, when he made the "effective" torture case to me, that I thought he was endangering his immortal soul!

https://www.propublica.org/article/no-one-took-us-seriously-black-cops-warned-about-racist-capitol-police-officers-for-years

The big difference is that racism has been in plain sight forever.

It's too soon to talk about it.

Even the police across the country doing the insurrectionist posting on social media?

no worries, let 'em post. it's how we'll sort them out.

From lj's link:

The Capitol Police force is only 29% Black in a city that’s 46% Black. By contrast, as of 2018, 52% of Washington Metropolitan police officers were Black.

The point being made, obviously, is that the Capitol Police force is disproportionately white as compared to the population of DC. But what struck me is that there could be such a level of racism in an organization where nearly 1 in 3 of the people in it are Black.

I find that particularly disheartening. How do you work side by side with people on a daily basis and still fail to overcome your racial prejudices against them, at least the worst of those prejudices? I don't expect that having a significant percentage of coworkers who are Black is going to make someone perfectly enlightened on issues of race, but I would think people would learn something (or more than it appears they have in the Capitol Police force).

One thing that I've been reading is that the closing down of Parler and other similar steps are having the effect of blinding enforcement forces, ...

When regulations shut down Backpage and other adult classified ads, law enforcement lost a lot of its ability to track sex trafficking and underage sex work.

When regulations shut down Backpage and other adult classified ads...

and... sex traffickers and underage sex workers had one less set of channels for sex trafficking and pimping minors.

there is an upside and a downside to everything. there are very few, probably zero, things anybody can do that are of any consequence at all, that don't have some attendant problems. there are 'unintended consequences' to doing nothing.

My guess is that, net/net, we're better off not having readily accessible channels available for sex trafficking. I could be wrong, but I'll bet I'm not.

I'm sure they all went somewhere else, and I'm sure whoever booted them off of Backpage et al are working on booting them off wherever they landed, or have done.

The 'regulations are bad' knee-jerk thing is not really that helpful. What regulation? Why? What are the upsides, downsides, and costs?

The 'regulations are bad' knee-jerk thing is not really that helpful.

The "regulations are bad" thing isn't a reasoned analysis. It's a religious article of faith.

Not to say you can't recognize that some regulations are bad. Or counterproductive. I certainly do. But some evidence might be nice, when making that case in specific instances.

now you're just being intolerant of their faith

I know CharlesWT is our local libertarian, but he made a very narrow point about the similarity between two situations involving an easily monitored communications channel being shut down, making it harder for the authorities to get intel and evidence. Too much extrapolation from that, IMO.

booo. hisss.

With the shutdown of Backpage, sex work has become more dangerous while reducing law enforcement's ability to reduce underage sex work and trafficking.

"Carl Ferrer, a previous vice president and CEO of Backpage under Lacey and Larkin who bought the company from them in 2015, even received a commendation from the Department of Justice for his help fighting sex trafficking. "Can't do this without your help," an FBI agent working juvenile exploitation cases wrote to Backpage staff in 2015—one of hundreds of positive comments the platform received from law enforcement officers. And since the site was seized in April, numerous local news reports have cited cops saying it's now harder to find missing young people and to nab potential pimps.

The disparity between rank-and-file police comments and those made by elected officials is stark. The former generally acknowledge that commercial sex—yes, sometimes involving minors and/or victims of abuse—will go on with or without digital tools to facilitate it. Shutting down Backpage didn't even make a dent in the volume of online adult ads, according to a Washington Post analysis. It simply dispersed them through a wider range of platforms. Yet politicians insist on casting classifieds websites as the biggest cause and a main hub of forced and underage prostitution. Sen. Kamala Harris (D–Calif.) has described Backpage as the world's 'top online brothel.'"
The Backpage Scandal Isn't What You Think: How indie media entrepreneurs James Larkin and Michael Lacey became the targets of a federal witchhunt.

GftNC - Thank you for the compliment!

I (obvious, out-and-proud atheist) even found myself telling a lovely, young Christian friend whom I had known since babyhood, when he made the "effective" torture case to me, that I thought he was endangering his immortal soul!

Well, that's COM 101: Try to reach people using language and concepts that are meaningful to them.

I've given up on that, too. I just tell such people, if their deity is OK with genocide, torture, racism, misogyny, etc., "Then your God is a sociopathic sadist. Find a better God."

A newly elected Republican congresswoman has said she will be filing articles of impeachment against Joe Biden on his first day in office.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, who attracted notoriety for being the first QAnon conspiracist elected to Congress, made the announcement via Twitter.

"On January 21, 2021, I'll be filing Articles of Impeachment against Joe Biden for abuse of power," she wrote.

hey Republicans? fix your fucking party, please?

cleek - She can file any damn thing she wants to.

Extremist MOC, on the state and national level, are notorious for filing bills and whatnot that are stupid, inflammatory, evil, and seditious. Many of them get some Twitter attention.

But the filings go nowhere. Usually. Let's see how many GOPsters sign on to MTG:QAnon's efforts.

Gotta say that it's impressive that Biden has "abused power" before he is actually IN power. Time travel, perhaps?

cleek - She can file any damn thing she wants to.

of course she can.

but wouldn't it be nice if the GOP stopped sending sponge-brained lunatics to Congress?

also: wwjs

A newly elected Republican congresswoman has said she will be filing articles of impeachment against Joe Biden on his first day in office.

Marjorie Taylor "Nostradamus" Greene

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked that there could be pro-torture commenters.

I wasn't gobsmacked - too jaded I guess.

What struck me were the people who were fervently anti-torture, but still supported the wars of the time. It suddenly seemed as if killing people was A-OK but torture was the worst of all sins.

The point about a percentage of a workforce and side by side only works if the organization supports that. Otherwise, even 30% become tokens and when they point out issues, they are ostracized, which is what seems to be the case.

Not directly related but
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/capitol-police-angry-congress-members-ignore-metal-detectors

“I’m raging. I was involved in the fray and thankfully I wasn’t too severely injured, but I have a coworker who was hit in the back with a pipe, he’s been out since Wednesday,” the third officer said. “I have another coworker that was knocked out cold. We just had an officer commit suicide, and [Officer Brian] Sicknick died. All of this stuff happened and if [management] would have taken appropriate actions, I think that it would have mitigated the situation exponentially.”

If this had been a BLM protest, we would have gotten a full list of every injury and incident and articles like this

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/portland-protests/index.html

Extremist MOC, on the state and national level, are notorious for filing bills and whatnot that are stupid, inflammatory, evil, and seditious.

When I worked for my state legislature this wasn't particularly a problem. I attribute it to two parts of the procedure: (1) members were allowed to introduce no more than five bills in a session, and (2) all bills had to be reviewed by Legislative Legal Services before they could be introduced. The first forced members to ask themselves the question, "Is the publicity I'll get worth using a fifth of my bill limit?" The second meant that, while they could still introduce the bill, they got a formal note from LLS that might say, "Our legal opinion is that the bill as written is seditious," with the case cites.

The flip side of the limit on the number of bills is the guarantee that every bill introduced (within certain time limits) will be heard, at least in committee, and the sponsor will have an opportunity to defend it, present witnesses, etc.

Michael Cain - I don't know if similar procedures apply at the federal House. I think every proposed bill needs at least one co-sponsor, not necessarily from the other Party.

Rep. Chip Roy (R-Tex.):

“The president of the United States deserves universal condemnation for what was clearly, in my opinion, impeachable conduct: Pressuring the vice president to violate his oath. Unfortunately, my Democratic colleagues drafted articles that I believe are flawed and unsupportable, focusing on the legal terms of incitement and insurrection.
One has to wonder if he will offer up a Bill of Impeachment on the count he mentions.

I think every proposed bill needs at least one co-sponsor, not necessarily from the other Party.

Every bill will eventually need a cosponsor from the other chamber, as only a Representative can introduce a bill in the House and a Senator in the Senate. Once properly introduced, though, bills take on a life of their own. Most legislative bodies in the US allow some form of "strike below" amendment. That is, the amendment reads, "On page 1, strike everything below <usually the title> and substitute..." Congress is even worse, they allow striking the title.

My state legislature's rules don't allow striking the title, and require that the bill's content have something to do with the title. Leg Legal Services always recommends to members that their bills' titles be as narrow as possible to avoid hijacking. One year a member disregarded that and used the title "Regarding Child Welfare." By the time the bill was eventually passed, three different committees had used the loose title to strike the body of the bill and replace it with their own particular child welfare hobby horse.

Working for the legislature for three sessions was such an education :^)

Working for the legislature for three sessions was such an education :^)

I really envy you that. I would love to work, to have worked, at my state lege. (I live too far away.)

Thank you for these stories.

I remember being absolutely gobsmacked that there could be pro-torture commenters.

still waiting for Hannity to get himself waterboarded like he said he'd do, since it's no big deal.

I really envy you that. I would love to work, to have worked, at my state lege. (I live too far away.)

I couldn't do it long term, the sessions proper are far too stressful. One of the long-term staffers had a t-shirt she occasionally wore to the office on Saturdays or Sundays during the session -- no dress code if the office wasn't officially open -- that had "You don't have to be insane to work here, but it helps" in black, with a big red X through it and handwritten-looking red text underneath that said "You have to be insane."

Michael Caine - I love that! "Yes, turns out you DO have to crazy. My bad."

could anything be more perfect?

Donald Trump has fallen out with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and is refusing to pay the former New York mayor’s legal bills, it was reported, with the president feeling abandoned and frustrated during his last days in office.

Giuliani played a key role in Trump’s failed attempts to overturn the results of November’s presidential election through the courts. The lawyer mounted numerous spurious legal challenges, travelling to swing states won by Joe Biden, and spread false claims the vote was rigged.

According to the Washington Post, relations between Trump and Giuliani have dramatically cooled. Trump has instructed his aides not to pay Giuliani’s outstanding fees. The president is reportedly offended by Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day – a figure the lawyer denies, but which is apparently in writing. White House officials have even been told not to put through any of Giuliani’s calls.

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2021/01/14/accountability-3/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/us/politics/lauren-boebert-republican.html

https://twitter.com/hashtag/CapitolCoup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I wonder if I visit I Boebert's armed saloon in Rifle if her husband will show up, in her insurrectionary absence, and flash his christian junk and threaten me so I can go all conservative on his flyover pigf*cker republican ass.

We're taking your guns, conservatives and republicans and libertarians.

And we're keeping ours.

Please fuck with me.

More:

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/27/lauren-boebert-arrests-colorado-3rd-mitsch-bush/

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jayson-boebert-indecent-exposure-arrest/

Both sides gotta do.

Fake Christians Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett all nominated by a twice impeached inciter of murder and violence against their government and voted into their posts by insurrectionist, seditious killers.

All three knew the quality of their sponsorship.

They must be impeached.

They must leave now.

Get out.


They must be impeached.

They must leave now.

I have no use for any of them. And think that the sooner they are off the Court the better. That said, if you want to impeach them you have to have grounds for doing so. Beyond disliking their delusional views of the Constitution.

"That said, if you want to impeach them you have to have grounds for doing so."

You'll notice I said nothing about their views.

Their nominations and who put them where they are were and are illegitimate.

Fear not, nothing will change.

Their nominations and who put them where they are were and are illegitimate.

Not sure those would be grounds. As I recall (IANAL) the valid grounds are "high crimes and misdemeanors".

Also not sure you can make much of a case that their nominations are "illegitimate". (It's not like the "acting" cabinet members -- for those there are laws about how long they can serve without Senate approval.) Care to unpack that a little?

The normative rule of law book we do it by has been burned during the past four years by the conservative movement.

Precedent is moot.

The Constitution says nothing, and even if it is once again discovered to be relevant to current times, no one hears and it's too late.

The conservative movement, by their words and actions, has released the American citizenry from all adherence to what came before.

It's not going to be good.

When Boebert and company unpack their handbags and pants pockets of their weapons after refusing to comply with metal detector security procedures in the killing zone known as the Capitol, I'll consider unpacking too.


Can we take a moment to salute the unique courage of Lindsey Graham?

Graham's website: "Lindsey Graham is a fighter who doesn't back down from a challenge."

Sherrod Brown: “I heard when the 75 senators were confined in a room with about 75 staff people, Lindsey Graham with his mask off started screaming at one of the officers — I think it was one of the captains — saying, ‘How come you didn’t protect us? It’s doing your job,'”

Graham, 7th January: “Yesterday they could have blown the building up. They could have killed us all”.

Graham, 7th January: “the president needs to understand that his actions were the problem not the solution,”

Graham, 13th January: "It is now time for President-elect Biden to rise to the occasion and instruct his party to call off post-presidential impeachment proceedings."

Bed.

Sleep in it if you can, conservatives.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-rep-who-backed-impeachment-is-purchasing-body-armor-amid-death-threats

Perchance to dream.

Conservative voters, all registered republicans, all registered libertarians, must be assessed a surcharge on their federal taxes ... do the same at the state and local levels .... to pay for world-class security, body armor, armed body guards, home and office security and surveillance and property hardening for Democratic and liberals politicians across the country and every single public servant/government servant and their families, the millions of them, whom the contemptible conservative movement and republican party threatens with malignant violence and has done for decades.

These better late than never on third thought republicans who have set their and our beds on fire are on their own.

You republicans and libertarians will pay for every cent of it. And you'll like it. You will be required to say thank you when you hand over the funds.

Trump and family will be assessed at a 100% marginal rate from the first dollar they manage to steal in the future and they will pay in perpetuity.

Registered Democratic Party voters will not pay a cent of what is required.

I don't expect to receive a bill.

Look what you people have done.

My God, regarding Graham's latest self anointed victimhood, we're ALWAYS asked to rise to the high road.

No more.

The conservative movement is on the low road to a savage demise and we, the other side, are coming for them.

Let's finally learn what happens when both sides truly do it.

Trump and family will be assessed at a 100% marginal rate from the first dollar they manage to steal in the future and they will pay in perpetuity.

At last count, Trump has over $400 million in debt coming due this year. Personally guaranteed by him, meaning he can't just let some company go bankrupt on it. And every bank in sight is refusing to do business with him.

So, unless Putin or one of his other foreign friends (Kim? Ha!) will roll over his loans, everything he owns can be sold to pay off his debts. Guess he's going to be on welfare this time next year.

Once again, we are underestimating trump.

No one in the normative world will collect.

All of us are Guiliani and the dry-wallers in Atlantic City and the immigrant domestic staff at Mar-a-Lago.

Whatever small print we think small, trump has smaller.

Now, if he owes to Mafia, Russian or otherwise, they'll collect in kind, because the rest of us have our hands tied by civilization.

I don't think a guy can tweet with his severed hands and feet in cement from the bottom of the East River, especially after a pass thru the wood chipper.

I would suggest those debts be discharged by getting rid of the Trump and Bush tax cuts for Republicans and conservatives only, in arrears, but the proceeds go to the Federal Treasury.

Deutsche Bank is on its own.


It's not like they weren't already ON the terrorist watch list:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2021/01/known-terrorists-swamped-d-c-for-the-trump-hawley-cruz-mccarthy-riots

Along with convicted traitors and vermin Manafort and company.

ALL running the show.

Obviously, Libertarians were neck deep in the shit:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/14/2009209/-The-Leaders-of-the-Riot-Were-Paid

https://twitter.com/lrozen/status/1348678178211057665

On a lighter note: The "Gag" Economy

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/japanese-man-you-can-rent-to-do-nothing-has-thousands-of-clients/ar-BB1cK8Ol?ocid=uxbndlbing

I've always been qualified to do nothing.

Biden has announced a big recovery plan....very good stuff!

Just read this, and I am disposed to wait before delivering the impeachment charge to the Senate. Assuming there are no more big arson attempts, it allows us to concentrate of "getting on with it"; the timing of the trial will be under the control of the Democrats, not McConnell; there is much more to be revealed about the events of Jan. 6.

So what do you think? This fire breather is willing to give it a wait. More time to appropriate funds for the blindfold and last smoke.

Deutsche Bank is on its own.

Deutsche Bank has already cut him off. No new business with Trump.

That said, I won't be surprised if he finds a way to stick somebody else with the bill.

That said, I won't be surprised if he finds a way to stick somebody else with the bill.

No question he'll try. And he has a lifetime of experience with doing so. But this time, he's operating under a spotlight. Which may cramp his style a tad bit.

Sore losers are a real pain

The last time a presidential transition began during a national emergency — in 2008 amid the Great Recession — the outgoing Bush administration set aside partisanship to work closely with incoming Obama officials on how to deal with the economic collapse.

“Everyone was completely responsive to any question,” said Lawrence Summers, director of the National Economic Council under President Barack Obama. “They talked to us about major decisions.”

That smooth handoff is in stark contrast to what is happening now as President-elect Joe Biden prepares to assume power during a double-barreled crisis involving a lethal virus and its economic fallout that experts say demands close cooperation. Instead, as the coronavirus overwhelms U.S. hospitals and kills more than 3,300 people a day on average, the Trump administration has balked at providing access to information and failed to consult with its successors, including about distributing the vaccines that offer the greatest hope of emerging from the pandemic.

Thank heavens for the "deep state"!
Despite the challenges, Biden and his team have scooped up extensive information about coronavirus vaccine production and distribution from long-standing contacts in pharmaceutical companies and federal agencies. And they have gotten information through back channels from career staff working “off the clock” and using personal email accounts.
"Back channels" and "personal email accounts"??? Cue the hysterical calls for an investigation! (Good thing they aren't in a position to waste time and tax dollars on it.)

This is the kind of thing that just depresses the hell out of me.

Dude's 55, married, three kids, retired FD, no priors, clean record, no known or apparent association with any extreme right-wing organization.

He got caught up and threw a fire extinguisher at some cops. Not the guy who died, some other cops, so at least he's not culpable for murder.

But it's quite possible this guy's life is FUBAR. He is now liable for assaulting Capitol cops, in the context of an assault on Congress.

He's not likely to get a pass.

All to show his support for the most despicable individual ever to hold the office of POTUS, by my reckoning.

Trump is like the Midas of shit. Anything he touches, anything that touches him, turns to shit.

wj - The GOP will surely try. Maybe this time their efforts won't be amplified on TV talk shows with pundits who nod along like dashboard doggies with whatever bullshit they spray.

But, hey! Access journalism, baby! Pundits have spent a lot of time building up their (virtual) Rolodexes! Can't expect them to Chuck(Todd) it all and start over, can we?

Last Wednesday seemed horrible as it happened. But the more I learn, the worse it seems.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/01/14/dc-police-capitol-riot/

That WaPo article made me physically ill.

And the vast majority of the GOP is defending the perpetrators, not to mention the POS President they were rioting on behalf of.

We are so very lucky the cops managed to get the criminal scum out of the building. Each and every one who fought the insurrectionists should get a commendation, medal, something.

And for the cops, firefighters, and military personnel who were among the rioters... I can't say what I want to have happen to them. I don't even like *thinking* what I want to have happen to them.

And republican murderers are deliberately doing this to Americans, including to our Democratic reps:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-lungs-worse-smokers-lungs/

Lindsay Graham, some time ago: "If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed. And we will deserve it."

Now, maskless, the superspreading murderer, wetting his big girl pants: 'Lindsey Graham started screaming at one of the officers, I think it was one of the Captains, saying "How come you didn't protect us? It's your job!"

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/18/as-told-to-the-pelosi-staffer-keith-stern-on-the-breach-of-the-capitol


https://digbysblog.net/2021/01/america-2021/

May be of interest

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vqew/the-hacker-who-archived-parler-explains-how-she-did-it-and-what-comes-next

If you don't know any anarcho-socialists, well...

While donk_enby didn't archive this for the explicit purpose of helping law enforcement (she considers herself an anarcho-socialist and said the data would have utility for those leading crowd-sourced identification efforts), she acknowledges they may find it useful.

My approval isn't based on a particular label that a person chooses, but in this case, yay anarcho-socialists!

Apropos to what I said earlier, about the cops who were among the insurrectionists... I've just now wondered how many of them are currently employed, and were involved in brutalizing demonstrators during the BLM protests over the summer.

The appointment of Andy Slavitt to lead the coronavirus response is an excellent one. As is the proposed federal vaccination plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Slavitt

I’m impressed with the incoming administration’s start - though almost anything would be a improvement on Trump in this respect.

I’m impressed with the incoming administration’s start - though almost anything would be a improvement on Trump in this respect.

It's going to be an effort. But (after next Wednesday) we are going to need to make an effort evaluate the new administration on its actual merits. Even though it will constantly be tempting to compare it to the past one, that's way too low a bar to be meaningful.

Comparing Biden's administration to an average (or any combination) of the pre-Trump administrations will tell us a lot more about how well they are actually doing.

A reasonable point, wj.
Though few previous administrations were faced with quite the problems this one is.

Since the Republican Party has lost interest in competence as a criterion for selecting its candidates, we can expect every incoming Democratic Party administration to be facing a crisis.

wpbs

Don't even know where to start with this, it's so fncked up.

‘He has an obligation to them’: Attorney for ‘QAnon shaman’ asks Trump to pardon rioters
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/attorney-qanon-shaman-trump-pardon-459608

I've just now wondered how many of them are currently employed, and were involved in brutalizing demonstrators during the BLM protests over the summer.

Thus people raising bail and money for legal fees for "rioters." Of course none of the cops would arrest anyone on bogus charges, so anyone arrested for rioting MUST be a rioter and not a mere non-criminal protester undeserving of arrest or charges.

This "attorney" said: 'the Jonestown cult members who committed mass suicide at their settlement in Guyana in 1978: “You know the only thing different here? There’s no Kool-Aid.”'

The only what?

https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/?page_id=35332

Children, 304 of them, which the attorney must think we are as well, no doubt to be poisoned soon as well.

Many of the parents, too, also murdered, were not provided an ingredient list of what was in the KoolAid, Jones and lieutenants being libertarian republicans who frowned on FDA labeling over-regulation.

It was what was in the Kool-Aid, not the festive fizzy drink itself, that murdered the victims.

Trump is a murderer.

Talk of his candidacy in 2024 is, I don't know, like talk about reopening Jurassic Park or a second attempt to contact the Alien and bring back a sample to see what happens

Democrats need a Shaman.

How could we overlook that concept?

America and shit become one.

Turns out that some/many/most of the rioters took their cell phones into the Capitol with them resulting in records of their locations to be perused by authorities.

Oh, good!

https://apnews.com/article/military-facilities-moscow-europe-russia-e58019b80ae95e12007265aedfac229b

I've really missed those screaming nightmares of nuclear holocaust I experienced in second grade.

"I learned everything there is to know about nuclear weapons in 90 minutes."

Slim Donald Pickens.

Since the Republican Party has lost interest in competence as a criterion for selecting its candidates, we can expect every incoming Democratic Party administration to be facing a crisis.

same as it ever was, sadly.

Plans afoot, military-style:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/report-trump-aides-putting-together-goodbye-crowd-for-outgoing-potus-on-inauguration-day

Plans tripped up, oh so mysteriously:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/report-rehearsal-for-biden-inauguration-postponed-amid-security-threats

Hey, we're SO-OOOOOO sorry for the reality that has been right front of your lying eyes, since forever:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-sen-apologizes-to-black-voters-for-giving-perception-of-trying-to-delegitimize-their-votes

Turns out that some/many/most of the rioters took their cell phones into the Capitol with them resulting in records of their locations to be perused by authorities.

It's been at least a couple of decades since I started warning people how much data about their location and activities would be available if they carried an "always on, always connected smart device running software you don't control" with them all the time. Clearly, they're still not listening.

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