veep talk and the Indian diaspora

by liberal japonicus

Reading thru all the things on Kamala (pronounced 'comma-la', the name comes from Sanskrit) and going down rabbit holes. Didn't know much about the Indian-American diaspora, except that in addition to Harris, Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal (and Dinesh D'Souza, gross) were part of it. I also, as is my wont, tend to be sarcastic with things that bother me, so when I read 'Asian American' plopped into an article about Harris, I think of the joke about the difficulty of telling Narendra Modi and Xi Jinping apart because everyone knows that all Asians look alike, so I resisted reading up any speculation about the pick, but now that's she has been chosen, I'll read stuff even if they have 'first Asian American' whatever. (I have to go back and see what 'South Asian' vs 'Asian' correlates with in these articles)

I get the impression that a lot of articles have emphasized Harris as a Black American, but it is striking to me that it is the same as Obama, parents who divorced, the candidate raised by the non-black mother, yet the emphasis is on the father, an emphasis that Harris makes herself. I think I wrote something about that in discussing a bio of Ann Durham, Obama's mother. I'm waiting, with bated breath, for Harris to be accused in a similar way to Obama, that he was black-ish rather than black (though that may be a rhetorical pretzel too far for some) so I want to emphasize that my interest into Harris' Indian roots shouldn't be taken as negating her black identity. I also think that as a general rule, men are more boxed into an identity than women, which also has some bearing here.

A common thread in a lot of left pubs that I don't really care for (I'm looking at you Jacobin) is that Harris is simply another neo-liberal cog in the machine. Still, I feel like the issues raised by George Floyd's execution are elided with the Harris pick because of her path. Is this indicative of the campaign's take on BLM? Hell if I know, though if this bothers you, you may want to take a look at this article. But I think that the history of the Indian diaspora actually gives us some insight as to why Harris traveled the road she did.

Wikipedia is a good starting point with Indian Americans and I didn't know about United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind.

Bhagat Singh Thind had come to the United States in 1913 for higher studies after obtaining a bachelor's degree in India. He enlisted in the United States Army, became a Sergeant and served in the First World War. He was discharged honorably with his character designated as "excellent". Thind was granted citizenship in Washington state in July 1918 but his citizenship was rescinded in just four days. He received his citizenship for the second time in Oregon state in November 1920 after the Bureau of Naturalization was unsuccessful in its efforts to stall it in Oregon court. The case then reached the Supreme Court, where Sakharam Ganesh Pandit, a California attorney and fellow immigrant, represented Thind.

The arguments offered on behalf of Thind were also interesting

Thind argued that Indo-Aryan languages are indigenous to the Aryan part of India in the same way that Aryan languages are indigenous to Europe, highlighting the linguistic ties between Indo-Aryan speakers and Europeans, as most European languages including English are similar to Indo-Aryan languages such as Hindi.

Since the Ozawa v. United States court case had just decided that the meaning of white people for the purposes of the Court were people who were members of the Caucasian race, Thind argued that he was a white person by arguing that he was a member of the Caucasian race. Thind argued using "a number of anthropological texts" that people in Punjab and other Northwestern Indian states belonged to the "Aryan race", and Thind cited scientific authorities such as Johann Friedrich Blumenbach as classifying Aryans as belonging to the Caucasian race. Thind argued that, although some racial mixing did indeed occur between the Indian castes, the caste system had largely succeeded in India at preventing race-mixing. Thind argued that by being a "high-caste, of full Indian blood" he was a "Caucasian" according to the anthropological definitions of his day.

Thind's lawyers argued that Thind had a revulsion to marrying an Indian woman of the "lower races" when they said, "The high-caste Hindu regards the aboriginal Indian Mongoloid in the same manner as the American regards the Negro, speaking from a matrimonial standpoint." Thind's lawyers argued that Thind had a revulsion to marrying a woman of the Mongoloid race. This would characterize Thind as being both white and someone who would be sympathetic to the existing anti-miscegenation laws in the United States.

Kuromatsu, it ain't. Interestingly, Japanese-Americans are often touted as a model minority, but in some senses, Indo Americans would probably be a better example.

The population of Indo-Americans (also categorised as East Indians, Asian Indians and American Indians) in the US is 2.4 million, the second-largest immigrant group after Mexicans. It is also the most successful, with the median household income at $107,000 – almost twice that of American-born households. Indian immigrants are more likely to be enrolled in higher education, to participate in the labour force and twice as likely to be employed in management, business, science and the arts as the overall population.

link

And of course, there were the 'Hindus for Trump', though the demographic is Democratic leaning. However, this conservative streak reminded me of this Guardian article explaining why British Indians are so prominent in the Conservative party.

So, when we talk about Harris' path via law school and California Attorney General, I feel like it was determined in part by accomodation rather than reaction, more so than Obama's path.

Some other links about Harris that might be of interest
Atlantic on how Harris represents a new democratic coalition

Harris is a demographic bridge between Biden and the modern Democratic Party, but she’s not nearly as much of an ideological bridge. Though she ran sharply to the left during the early stages of her unsteady presidential bid, her record, like Biden’s, is fundamentally moderate.

Forbes on conservative attempts to undercut Harris as a Black candidate

But some conservatives are piling on the criticism and have sought to refute claims that Harris would be the nation’s first African-American vice president and saying that her heritage does not trace back to slavery.

This article with some interesting details about the mixed race demographic and introduced me to the ADOS movement

The ADOS movement includes supporters as wide-ranging as Harvard philosophy professor Cornel West, who has said that it is giving working-class Black people a voice, and white conservative political commentator Ann Coulter. But the movement has many detractors, some of whom view it as divisive at best and xenophobic at worst. Others have argued that it ignores the long history of African Americans with immigrant roots, including black nationalist Marcus Garvey, who was Jamaican, and Nation of Islam leader Malcolm X, whose mother was Grenadian.

Here's a dissection of West's support of ADOS. Quick rule of thumb, if you are ever grouped with Ann Coulter, don't walk, run to get out of that space.

The Guardian had a panel give responses, I like Jill Filipovic's take, and this is a bit more detailed about the challenges that face women in general on the issues of crime and punishment

This NYTimes about Trump Jr's quickly deleted tweet, which seems to indicate a level of panic with messaging.

“Don’s tweet was simply him asking if it was true that Kamala Harris was half-Indian because it’s not something he had ever heard before,” the spokesman, Andy Surabian, said at the time. He added that the tweet was deleted after it was recognized that followers were “misconstruing” its intent.

And an interesting note about Biden and Harris not graduating from Ivy League schools.

All these links are post selection, one thing to be careful about is to identify the articles that were raising issues with Harris during her presidential campaign. As shocked as all of you may find this, some people tend to makd arguments not because they believe them but because they want their supported candidate to win.

Anyway, a thread for your Kamala Harris thoughts.

Comments

[wj]

If we stop fighting a stupid trade war with China, this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiTDU8MZRYw
could be an innovative way to address the homeless problem.

[Girl from the North Country]

So strange after all the discussion of whether KH counts as black etc, I just saw a documentary about the wonderful Joan Armatrading and they played some of her song How Cruel (which I didn't remember), in which she sings:

I heard somebody say once I was way too black
And someone answers she's not black enough for me

There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America, where at the time she was the only black woman "singer/songwriter" (i.e. in the same category as joni mitchell, or james taylor), and an interesting comment by the woman who interviewed her for Spare Rib saying that it was electrifying to hear her, because as a black woman, she had never been socialised to sound weak, so she didn't.

Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton.

[Michael Cain]

The smoke reducing the sun to a big red ball you could just look at at 4:45 in the afternoon prompted me to look at the wildfire incident map for the US, and I admit that part of me said, "I am glad there's a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues."

[sapient]

There was quite a lot of discussion about how hard it was for them to market her in America

I'm quite surprised at that since I love her, and had the impression that she was extremely popular. Maybe not as popular as I assumed.

[John Thullen]

"Quite apart from the weird synchronicity with current KH discussions, a cascade of memories: the summer when Love and Affection was the constant soundtrack to which we danced, and threw our heads back, and really laughed, really laughed, and the only time I ever rode on a motorcycle, behind a boy going from London for the day in 1978 to the decommissioned airfield Blackbushe to hear Bob Dylan, Joan Armatrading and Eric Clapton."

GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.

[liberal japonicus]

misleading is the ratfuckers' stock in trade

Well, what do you expect from an organization funded by Koch and Scaife?

[wj]

To return to the original post
...it is striking to me that it is the same as Obama, parents who divorced, the candidate raised by the non-black mother, yet the emphasis is on the father...

I'm not sure it is even surprising. I don't think the emphasis is on the father per se. I think it's on the black parent. Which, given how anyone who is even sort-of black can expect to be treated (even without the "one drop" rule), only makes sense. The child might have been inclined to identify with the mother, but society wasn't going to make that viable.

As for the divorced parent aspect, consider how likely it is that parents will divorce. Definitely not a rarity. And overwhelmingly the mother, regardless of race, will get custody. What is anomalous about Obama and Harris is that their parents' divorce did not leave them gorwing up in poverty.

[liberal japonicus]

I didn't refresh my browser, so apologies for stepping on GftNC's graceful redirection back to what I was interested in.

Still processing wj's point about it being 'on the black parent', which I'm not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set. A lot of kids of divorced couples can reject the parent who is raising them and gravitate towards absent parent, especially if the other parent represents the more exotic.

Tying into our discussions of white fragility, it is interesting to me that both Harris and Obama have seemed comfortable in taking on their black identity, something which I think may be related to the fact that the mothers were both academics. It's also notable where they grew up, Obama in Hawai'i and Harris in Oakland. Certainly not the whole story, but something I find interesting though am still wondering about it.

[Girl from the North Country]

No apology necessary, lj. And thank you, JDT, for your kind words.

[wj]

Still processing wj's point about it being 'on the black parent', which I'm not sure I understand. And sure, divorce is common, but which parent one identifies with is certainly not set.

My point was that, the child might not have a choice of (race) identity. Suppose Obama had decided to identify was white, like his mother. Would American society have cheerfully agreed to treat him as white? Not a chance.

[John Thullen]

What can he do?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/14/1969287/-Shameful-ICE-is-entering-decade-long-private-prison-contracts-in-case-Trump-loses-reelection

Abolish ICE.

Amend the contracts to read "to detain and punish conservative movement operatives. Immigrants formerly housed in the facilities will be given first dibs on prison guard positions.

Convict and execute the perpetrators.

[John Thullen]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1968959/-Memphis-woman-who-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-returns-from-hospital-to-eviction

I'm going to send her money to replace the useless antique rifle with a semi-automatic AR-15 so she can pay visits to the server's and the landlord's homes to work this shit out.

[liberal japonicus]

Ahh, so 'on the black parent' doesn't mean they should take responsibility, you are commenting about the lack of agency? I can see that, largely growing out of the 'one-drop' theory of race.

Though I think that Harris could have 'passed' and emphasized her Indian heritage, though she obviously didn't because she chose to go to Howard U, though interestingly enough, she attended middle and high school in Quebec. Here's an interesting article about that
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/how-canadian-is-she-probably-more-than-you-think-say-kamala-harris-one-time-montreal-classmates-1.5060720

Another one that has several sour notes in it, so I don't particularly trust it (plus it was written when Harris was a presidential candidate)
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/kamala-harriss-father-is-slamming-her-for-making-a-travesty-of-her-jamaican-heritage/

(interesting factoid, when the Japanese-American internment took place, they also incarcerated orphans with any Japanese blood
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Manzanar_Children's_Village/ )

[John Thullen]

Susan Collins' condition has been downgraded from vaguely irritated to slightly troubled.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/13/1969147/-Susan-Collins-tweeted-what?utm_campaign=trending

[russell]

GftNC: That is a beautifully-written paragraph, evocative of a moment of youth and the accursed passing of time.

Indeed.

And hey, I know a guy who was on some of those sessions!

[wj]

I think that Harris could have 'passed' and emphasized her Indian heritage

Today? Sure. But in 1960s Berkeley (or 1970s Montreal)? There were vanishingly few South Asians. So passing would have required constant education of everyone around her. Otherwise, they would have just assumed "black" and behaved accordingly.

Also persuading people back then that South Asian/Indian was a thing, rather than just a ruse to pass, would have been problematic, too.

[wj]

Allow me to note that I was in college and living in Berkeley during the years Harris lived there. I'm working from first-hand observation here.

[John Thullen]

Perhaps she'll be a counterweight to Biden's neo-interventionist foreign policy past:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/state-of-the-union/what-is-kamala-harris-foreign-policy/

That'd be Larison.

[liberal japonicus]

Good point wj, the past is a different country. I'm wondering if you've read One Drop of Blood: The American Misadventure of Race by Scott Malcomson, which has interesting links to Oakland and Berkeley I think.

[wj]

@lj, haven't encountered that book. Sorry.

[Nigel]

...perhaps a high function sociopath...

Which all due respect, Charles, I could say the same about you on about as much evidence (ie none).

[Nigel]

misleading is the ratfuckers' stock in trade
And the names don’t even change from one century to the next.

From an article on women VP picks:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571
... In 1984, Ferraro’s campaign was plagued by questions about the finances of her husband, real estate developer John Zaccaro. The controversy first was that Zaccaro, who filed tax returns separately from Ferraro, refused to release them. Once he did, the media spent weeks investigating the family’s finances, even insinuating the couple had ties to organized crime. At one point, the Philadelphia Inquirer apparently had at least 25 reporters on the Ferraro-Zaccaro money beat. A Reagan campaign aide later told the Daily Beast that many of the stories were provided directly by the Reagan campaign (which included a young Roger Stone) and that he knew that Ferraro didn’t have Mafia connections....

[Hartmut]

They do it among themselves. Remember the Rovian whisper campaign that McCain's adopted non-white daughter was actually his natural child (imsinuating the horrible crime of having had sex with a POC, i.e. Rassenschande)? And it worked (which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters).

[John Thullen]

“It’s very big, a very big lawn.”

https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/a-pageant-of-weak-character/

Wipe them off the face of the Earth.

[John Thullen]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/birtherism-returns/615268/

Earth. Off it. Now.

[cleek]

which says more than enough about the character of GOP primary voters

but don't you dare actually accuse them of being ... <sotto voce>racist</sotto voce>.

that's worse than being actually racist.

[John Thullen]

I'm reading Joan Dideon at the moment, and in her essay "Where the Kissing Never Stops", about Joan Baez, written in 1967, she quotes Baez*:

"There's never been a good Republican folksinger."

Then I picked up where I left off reading yesterday in William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", and he counters Baez judgement, except for "good", with Horst Wessel, who composed "Deutschland uber Alles", the official anthem of the Third Reich.

Volky in its own far right.

Happily, Wessel was assassinated in 1930, Communists do improve the world in some small ways, before he could pre-empt the future with "Where Have All The Jewish People Gone", "The Times They Are a-Changing For the Very Worst, "Heil, the Magic Aryan", "Your Land Is My Lebensraum" and "If I Had 100 Panzer Divisions" in his own versions and ruined it for everyone.

*Baez comes off an eminently more sensible in 1967, and conservative in the good sense, which is now gone forever, than her whiny, tight-assed, freedom-snuffing conservative neighbors, who, if they are still living, are now QAnon Trumpers right down to their lederhosen.

[John Thullen]

Rural Iowa:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/a-hidden-disaster

Rural Wisconsin:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/08/17/how-suffering-farmers-may-determine-trumps-fate

Rural North Dakota:

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063606191

[Hartmut]

Correction there: Horst Wessel is not the author of 'Deutschland (2x) über Alles' (the 'Song of the Germans / Germany-Song' which was written in 1841, the third stanza of which is the German national anthem of today*) but of "Die Fahne hoch, die Reihen fest geschlossen" (Rise the flag and keep in close(d) formation).
The first stanzas of both songs were sung together as inofficial national anthem in Nazi Germany.

*Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit (unity and justice/rule of law and freedom/liberty).
Btw, the second stanza starts with 'German wine and German women, German fidelity and German song/singing [shall keep their good name in all the world]'

[wj]

https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/weaponizing-the-government/

Note, in the Update at the end, that the Post Office is removing collection mail boxes in rural Montana. Trump's boys may end up irritating enough rural Montana votes to lose that Senate seat. (Which, admittedly, is already at risk.)

Does anyone know the brand of gun-rest they have mounted on their knees, to make sure they don't miss when shooting themselves in the foot.

[cleek]

i'm pretty sure those are Trump™-brand gun-rests.

[cleek]

summing it all up in a headline:

Trump’s secret political weapon: Wasting his opponents’ time

President Troll, hard at work.

[wj]

cleek, of course. How could I have missed that??? (blush)

[John Thullen]

Post Office collection boxes are being removed in Portland, Oregon as well, and see below, nearly all western states.

Thanks for the correction on the Horst Wessel Lied.

I misread and thus misquoted Shirer: "This was the Horst Wessel song, which soon became the official song of the Nazi Party and later the second official anthem -- after "Deutschland uber Alles" -- of the Third Reich.

I do a wicked imitation, though not near the original, of John Cleese's funny walk too, and if we ever meet in person, Hartmut, I'll welcome your critique. %-}

Nevertheless, here is the Trump LIED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B30cMitV_g

The U.S. Mail:

https://legalbeagle.com/12122431-consequences-mail-tampering.html

Biden will sign an Executive Order upping the punishment for tampering with the U.S. Mail to the death penalty for the criminals.

Shot in public executions on The Washington Mall with the ritual disemboweling a la Mussolini by millions of enraged witnesses afterwards.

Now hear this:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-removes-letter-collection-boxes-reduces-post-office-operating-hours/index.html

Expect filthy, government-hating conservatives who view every government utterance as lies at best, and jewish liberal Clinton/Obama conspiracies at worst, to hail this news now as spoken truth from God's unsullied mouth.

[russell]

how are postal boxes secured in place?

[wj]

how are postal boxes secured in place?

In my town (and other places in Northern California that I've noticed) each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.

[russell]

each of the 4 legs is bolted to the concrete of the sidewalk.

same here.

lucky for DeJoy that nobody has done anything to make them harder to remove.

also, looks like folks have figured out where DeJoy lives. NW DC, apparently. Probably not too far away for some folks reading this.

Some people don't like to be made uncomfortable. It's a lever.

[bobbyp]

how are postal boxes secured in place?

They are loaded down with mail that has insufficient postage.

[CharlesWT]

If you go by the movies, they're full of guns people ditched...

[russell]

life ain't the movies

[John Thullen]

If they can't move them, they can probably lock the slot door.

Failing that, there are plenty of clinically insane republican operatives out there who would volunteer to be placed inside the boxes and every time a ballot is put through the slot, they toss it back on to the sidewalk or tarmac, rinse and repeat, until the voter gives up.

Or, they could rig a boxing glove on a springy device that emerges and punches folks in the face every time they pull the slot drawer open, like the Simpson's Stephen Hawking had installed on his wheelchair to answer crypto-Christian lunkheads questions about the age of the universe.

Here's an idea. Rig a paper shredder just inside the drawer in the box which makes confetti of all of the mail and preasto chango, you have yourself a conservative movement dictatorship.

This might be a bit dicey, but Trump would find it bleach-worthy. Place snipers on rooftops overlooking every post box in the country and within a day or two, folks will not even try to use them.

Run a million watts of electric current at all times through the metal boxes and just fry the Other when he or she touch the pull handle.

Trump and his lovely spy wife requested their mail-in absentee ballots from Florida the other say.

At midnight the night of November 3, Trump will announce via TikTok, which QAnon has purchased as their new exclusive propaganda platform on behalf of the President for life, that he and Pence beat Biden/Harris 2-0 in the election countdown, thereby garnering all of the electoral college votes as well.

At that, a slight half-furrow of concern, or maybe it will be indigestion, will appear on Susan Collin's forehead and she will be hold a press conference to refresh her full support and pleasure at Judge Kavanaugh's judicial temperament, while making appointments ahead of time for her granddaughters' illegal abortions in states which shall go unnamed, should such procedures be necessary at any time in the future.

[John Thullen]

QANon

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/the-republican-party-2021

[John Thullen]

Eating your Chicken Surprise from now on will be a blind taste test ... with ... or without lesions.

Mine tastes like legions!

THAT's the surprise, Dagny!

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33607243/trump-administration-meatpacking-plants-diseased-chickens/

Marty and Charles have volunteered in the spirit of bullshit deregulation and mass genocidal conservative libertarian movement principles to pre-taste everyone's chicken meals from now on here going forward.

If Trump is re-elected, you'll have to pluck chicken McNuggets before consuming them.

The National Chickenshit Counsel's law firm, Himmler, Himmler, Perdue, Himmler and Spittake threatened anti-lesion activists with gag orders (don't gag or there will be legal action) and free buckets of Chick-Kil-A chicken strips with their new dipping sauce: Cuyahoga Baptismal Lesion Aeoli, your choice .. cloudy, anti-gay chemical brine, or flambeau.

[John Thullen]

Correct spelling, lie mask wearing, is optional.

[John Thullen]

See?

[CharlesWT]

"I am glad there's a westerner on the ticket, from someplace where fire and water are important issues."

A bit on water rights, mostly Colorado, in the US.

Who Owns the Rain? (YouTube)

[liberal japonicus]

A few more interesting articles on Harris

Nigel pointed the line about Roger Stone in this one, but it also notes that Tom Brokaw introduced the news on Ferraro's pick by saying “The first woman to be nominated for vice president—size 6”. Wow.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/14/female-vp-395571

Some interesting discussion about South Florida voting groups and their relation to Harris
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/15/kamala-harris-west-indian-voters-395554

Someone asked about caste in the comments, here is some info about that for Harris
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-16/kamala-harris-is-half-indian-and-all-american

And this one about her upbringing
https://news.yahoo.com/where-does-kamala-harriss-toughness-come-from-the-two-indomitable-women-who-raised-her-231819103.html

Really interesting about the transactions that may go into being chosen
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/13/joe-biden-kamala-harris-relationship-395160

[Nigel]

Has anyone else thought that the standard of Politico’s reporting has improved considerably over the last year or so ?

That’s my very subjective impression.

[Nigel]

Apparently the Newsweek birtherism opinion article wasn’t just as a result of pitiful editorial standards and a desire for clickbait.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/kamala-harris-birther-birthright-citizenship-claremont.html
... Why, then, do outlets like Newsweek and the Washington Post keep publishing articles that promote this lie? A coterie of racists based at the Claremont Institute hope that if they repeat it enough, they can leave the door open for a mass expatriation of second-generation Americans, most of them minorities. Indeed, there are few if any supporters of this falsehood who lack connections to the Claremont Institute. Eastman is a senior fellow at Claremont and the founding director of its Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence. Josh Hammer, the Newsweek editor who commissioned the piece, is a former fellow at the institute. Michael Anton, who manipulated the text of a quote from the Senate debate over the 14th Amendment in a Washington Post op-ed to make this lie seem more credible, is a senior fellow there. (Anton may be best known as the author of “The Flight 93 Election,” published in the Claremont Review of Books, which condemned “ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners.”) Claremont “scholar” Edward J. Erler wrote a book arguing that the American-born children of Mexican immigrants have no right to U.S. citizenship, giving the idea greater exposure....

[John Thullen]

Claremont is a conservative terrorist front.

They may hire this guy to guard their manhoods:

https://www.wonkette.com/gun-nut-blows-own-nuts-off-is-hailed-as-hero-by-fellow-gun-nuts

Marty, you are second generation something, aren't you?

[John Thullen]

More on Nigel's link:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/idea-laundering

Turns out some of these ilk are peddling their subhuman anti-American hate toward their fellow American citizens about 25 miles from me in what use to be called the People's Republic of Boulder, Colorado, at the University of Colorado.

Including Robert Merry, a former editor, and if I'm not mistaken, still a Board Member of racist, white supremacist crypto fascist immigrant Catholic Trump-licker, Patrick Buchanan's American Conservative.

They want to cancel and deport all second generation American citizens, but you know, only the brown ones.

There are more than 1.2 million Hispanics calling Colorado, by its Spanish name, home. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of them are second generation naturalized U.S citizens and I wonder how many could congregate on Merry's and company's lawn in Boulder with weaponry and torches.

[John Thullen]

Marco Rubio will be deported back to Cuba by his fellow subhuman conservatives.

I hope Cuba does the right thing by him if he puts one foot down on their soil.