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August 21, 2020

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McKinney, thanks for answering my question with a link. I too find it hard from reading the article where you're coming from. I have dabbled from time to time in studying various philosophers, but have to say that haven't spent enough time with Foucault. That said, it's clear that most people think he diverged from Marx.

The other problem with me and philosophy is that even when I understand it [or so I think], I forget what I learned pretty quickly.

As to Marx, I studied Russian history as an undergraduate. My history major was mostly that. I was extremely interested in late 19th century political philosophy and how it affected the various intellectual movements in Russia. Whatever you may think about Marx, and how his philosophy played out, he was addressing what he saw and experienced. He lived in Dickens's London in dire poverty with his wife and four children (a couple of whom died). It's worth thinking about the context in which he wrote and lived.

I remember having arguments back in my youth about whether Marx necessarily led to Lenin and Stalin. Looking at Russia today, at Putin, thinking back to the tsars, and to the intermittent period of Communism: revolutions can change culture only so much. Maybe that's why I'm an incrementalist and not a revolutionary. We can keep doing better, but we have to keep it up.

Which translates to a .003% chance of being shot by a cop over a 5 year period or an annualized .0006% chance per year.

Essentially you have almost 0 chance of getting shot by a cop.

And you have only an annualized .0112% chance of dying in an auto accident. Likewise almost 0. Yet we have numerous laws and regulations designed to hold that number down. You can't just put anything with 4 wheels on the road. Your car is required to have seat belts. You have to have a license in order to drive.

And somehow, rates per 100,000 population for whites and blacks are identical. (Rates for Native Americans are 3 times as high. Perhaps partly a reflection of those being 50% more likely to be alcohol related.)

Which translates to a .003% chance of being shot by a cop over a 5 year period or an annualized .0006% chance per year.

Then I guess they should quit their b*tching and get on with life.

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex

Frank Edwards, Hedwig Lee, and Michael Esposito

PNAS August 20, 2019 116 (34) https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1821204116

Significance
Police violence is a leading cause of death for young men in the United States. Over the life course, about 1 in every 1,000 black men can expect to be killed by police. Risk of being killed by police peaks between the ages of 20 y and 35 y for men and women and for all racial and ethnic groups. Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men.

AFAK, the numbers are uncertain because there is no official database that tracks those numbers and considerable push back from police unions against any effort to get better numbers. Get us better numbers and we can have a better conversation.

But for the sake of this, consider how many lives that 1/1000 is and how many other people those lives come in contact with. How many BIPOC have a close friend or relative who has been shot and killed? Many of those killed may have indeed been engaged in some sort of illegal activities, but a lot of those routine stops would have been for "broken windows" sorts of pretexts where the officer involved would have no idea at the start whether the person involved were engaged in illegal activity or not, but all their training tells the officer involved that this is the moment of greatest mortal danger to themselves.

If I were black, knowing these things, I'd be scared as hell every time.

They are not being irrational. This is an essentially conservative reaction to an existential threat over which the individual has no control.

Also, with regard to sapient's comments about Foucault, Foucault was also an incrementalist. A lot of marxists dislike him for that very reason. He was anti-utopian in ways that call the whole marxist view of history into question.

something like 4400 people were lynched in the US between 1877 and 1968.

That's just over 60 a year. And only about 3/4 of those were blacks.

I don't know the population of blacks in the US over that whole period, but the odds of actually being lynched were vanishingly small.

Why do people care about such things?

So we are going to assume that 1 in 1000 black men are killed by the police with literally no data, and the only data available tells a completely different story?

I'm not.

OK, I have no idea what you're talking about. where the hell did 1 in 1000 come from?

Cops kill black people at a greater rate in proportion to their numbers in the population than they do white people.

That makes black people angry. It's just one of many things that make then angry, but it's one.

How many people should cops kill before anyone is entitled to be angry? Damned if I know. Maybe we should ask the people who are angry about it.

In any case, apparently that number is fewer than the number they actually do kill.

Why all of this is so freaking hard for anyone to grasp is miles beyond me.

I'm getting that fishhook feeling, I'm gonna go do something else for a while.

That 1 in 1000 came from the study I linked to, which provided its own data. I noted that definitive numbers are hard to get and suggested that might be a good thing to track. Marty characterized that uncertainty as "literally no data" in a similar move to his claim that the chances of death that we have all borne witness to are "essentially almost zero."

Stops, searches, arrests, trials, convictions, sentences are all more likely and /or harsher if you’re black in the US

What the fuck Marx or Foucault has to do with that remains a mystery that only a “conservative” can explain. Actually, I doubt they can.

Apologies, I see where the 1 in 1000 comes from. That number seems high to me also, but IANA statistician.

Black people seem to be trying to tell us we're making their lives extremely difficult. There are always nuances to every story, but maybe we should start by taking them at their word.

Cops kill black people at a greater rate in proportion to their numbers in the population than they do white people.

That's easy to fix. The cops could just shoot a bunch of white people...

That's easy to fix. The cops could just shoot a bunch of white people...

Thullen is available for consultations with a list of suggestions...

Russell, keep in mind that the study's 1 in 1000 is all deaths from police, not just "wrongful" deaths.

Which translates to a .003% chance of being shot by a cop over a 5 year period or an annualized .0006% chance per year.

The chance of dying of deep soft tissue angiosarcoma is about 0.00005% a year. Nevertheless, my wife is dead and I am bereft.

That can't be helped. But a thousand or so police homicides a year (Marty's numbers are lowballed) can be. This doesn't happen in any other wealthy nation.

Some guy was shot in the back seven times by a cop. That's outrageous. I am outraged by that. Add to that the fact that the guy was black, and black men and women have been killed by police, seemingly randomly, a lot - it's been in the news. We can name a lot of names, and people do list the victims. I've lost track, although I recognize the names. Statistically? Who cares?

Aren't you outraged, Marty and McKinney, about these incidents? Just be outraged with us. Black lives matter. Who cares if a couple of Marxists (who are black) think black lives matter so much that they formed a Black Lives Matter movement? Aren't you outraged enough to say that black lives matter? Black lives matter to me.

The cops could just shoot a bunch of white people...

... and we would have policing reforms in about six months.

The cops could just shoot a bunch of white people...

... and we would have policing reforms in about six months.

Depends if the white people were rich or poor, rightwing or progressives. If the latter, in each case (i.e. poor and/or progressive, or preferably "Marxist") I'm sure it could be spun so that the current GOP would be perfectly happy with it and so would their base, except for those that actually knew the victims.

lj, I guess Engels was referring to an American analogy of these guys*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reformer
I looked into the German text and found that he used the English plural form not the German of 'reformer' (while using the German form for the adjective). Googling the term almost universally led back to a handful of Marx/Engels texts.
I find it quite ironic that in the same document Engels more or less comes up with the Sozialfaschismus libel** when referring to socialists, i.e. that existing socialists, in particular democratic ones, are either useful idiots for the ruling classes or their close allies (thus making them primary enemies of the communists).

*atheists and pro legal birth control. Modern US conservatives find that combination as odious as their 19th century predecessors.
**the term fascism not yet existing

existing socialists, in particular democratic ones, are either useful idiots for the ruling classes or their close allies (thus making them primary enemies of the communists).

[Hartmut, is that you?]

The process whereby "socialism" spawned so many opposing political movements is so interesting to me, but something I have only read about in a way that confused me more.

I tried to figure out what was going on in Germany by reading Thomas Mann's pre-WWI writing. I should probably have stuck with that realm of inquiry.

As long as we're playing dueling sociologists, give a look at this from Emile Durkheim.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_(Durkheim_book)

One of Durkheim's observations: dispair born of a feeling of lack of control over one's life leads to suicide. Consider then that non-college white men (i.e. core Trump supporters) have seen their real earnings drop nearly 20% in the last 20 years -- and that's before the pandemic. With no end in sight. And their suicide rate is roughly double that of any other group (except Native Americans).

Of course, it's only roughly 135 per 100,000 per year. So essentially zero....

So, wj, I trust that you believe what you just wrote, but let's be real. Most Trump supporters are not working class people.

sapient, you will note that I said "core supporters" not "most supporters". Also, the article you link to is making the point that most Trump supporters are not working class -- which, it emphasizes, is NOT the same as not the same as not having a college degree.

But, wj, you didn't provide a link, therefore you lose. :)

to your stats, that is.

OK, one more from me before I let this poor beaten dead horse of a thread lay its weary bones to rest.

You can't work harder, stay at the office longer, play or sing better and get more than the state is willing to give

Bolds mine.

The daughter of a French friend used to date a (French) R&B musician. Somewhat to my surprise, the guy was not bad.

In order to qualify for public health care, the guy had to play ten gigs. A year. Ten gigs a year meant ge was a musician for a living.

I know a lot of guys who - pre-COVID - played as many as ten gigs a week. And had no health insurance. Because gigs don't always pay so much, and health insurance purchased on an individual basis costs a lot.

I kick in hundreds a year to GoFundMe campaigns for musicians who get sick, or who die and leave big bills behind.

Want to play or song better, and not worry about starving if you get sick?

Move to socialist France.

Nobody's gonna tell you what to play, either.

Somewhat to my surprise, the guy was not bad.

LOL. A masterly anti-French joke, of which any englishman (or musician) would be proud.

Who's more socialist? France, where the heavily subsidize Airbus? Or the US, where we equally heavily subsidize Boeing?

The difference, I suppose, shows up if you aren't rich . . . just willing to be terrified about anything labelled "socialism." Hmmm....

Who's more socialist? France, where the heavily subsidize Airbus? Or the US, where we equally heavily subsidize Boeing?

No no no. Corporate welfare is liberty not socialism. Freedom means that rich people have to get richer, and the government has to help them.

The technical term is stamocap.
Even sounds more hard-edged (or boot-capped).

But Antifa...

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/28/kyle-rittenhouse-violent-pro-trump-militias-police/

I finally left the FB group for the guys I used to train with in martial arts. One of the leaders posted a much enlarged picture of Blake walking away from the officers from the infamous video where Blake appears to be holding his car's key fob, but the post insinuated that it was actually a karambit (Indonesian knife popular amongst tactical types) along with speculation about what Blake could have done with such a weapon.

Ha! I'd love to take credit for the Lincoln Project's new ad, which I think is called "Decency", and plays some of Biden's interaction with Brayden, and then Trump mocking the disabled journalist. But I bet the idea occurred to several million people, it was so obvious.

Somehow, this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-copes-with-coronavirus-cases-in-aftermath-of-trump-appearances/2020/08/28/fa0e7b6e-e22a-11ea-8dd2-d07812bf00f7_story.html
gives one the sense that, whatever their personal political opinions, the Secret Service will be really glad to see the last of Trump. And their interest in assisting any effort to stay beyond his term minimal.

Racism and segregation and police violence - Milwaukee Wisconsin.

https://www.wuwm.com/post/how-segregation-shapes-fatal-police-violence

And while we are on the subject of racial disparities and structural policies:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/247816/evicted-by-matthew-desmond/9780553447453

Which is itself a study of Milwaukee.

Deep problems with race in Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-election-year-gamble-messing-with-social-security-and-medicare-2020-08-10

Leading with THIS megadeath policy strategy can only be explained by the fact the sadistic subhuman trump republican party KNOWS the election is already stolen and in the bag for them.

These are murderous, genocidal filth right down to the last one of them.

They are mass killers.

OK, so three or four variations on a theme held up by the spam bouncers.

The last one is the one to restore. Forget the others.

Thanks.

wj: Mission accomplished. Apologies for the delay.

LOL. A masterly anti-French joke

Ha!

I love France, but the nuances of rhythm and blues don't always translate.

I mean, I don't mean to be unkind, but what the hell is going on right here?

Leading with THIS megadeath policy strategy can only be explained by the fact the sadistic subhuman trump republican party KNOWS the election is already stolen and in the bag for them.

Do not attribute to conspiracy that which is adequately explained by stupidity. It seems at least equally likely that those pushing this particular bit of agenda are simply incapable of understanding the political implications for the election. That has always been the reason that the Trump administration has not been a far worse disaster for the nation: massive incompetence has repeatedly handicapped their efforts.

And if the Biden/Harris campaign ever want to a) illustrate just how rubbishy the othering and birtherism of Harris is, not to mention all the hinting about how alien and ambitious she is, and b) appeal to those "suburban housewives" that Trump goes on about - or at least the ones HRC alienated way back when on the occasion she said she wasn't the type to bake cookies etc, they could do much worse than showing this clip of Kamala Harris explaining in one minute to the guy behind the camera, while she waits to go on a talk show, how to brine a turkey.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1294768057055948811

"Do not attribute to conspiracy that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Your confidence in stupidity's inferior efficacy in killing Americans is dispiriting. ;)

Herman Cain's stupidity self-murdered his own self, but the stupidity he and his fellow conservative movement imbeciles embody regarding the pandemic is murdering plenty of our fellow Americans, though I will admit American strides backward in stupidity, or is it forward, seem to have become yet another feather in the cap of pigf*cking conservative American exceptionalism.

More murderous stupidity that will be avenged:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-epa-dumps-methane-emissions-rule-for-oil-gas-fields-11597364947?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

Someone recently touted their contempt for the stupidity of the CCP regarding their initial handling of the Covid-19 outbreak. We'll leave aside the subsequent sharing with the rest of the world by Chinese science of the virus' genetic code and their efficient handling of subsequent outbreaks.

I'll also leave aside for the moment the absurd and what in time will be the deadly reaction (for future foreign policy) of the American conservative movement toward one fifth of the world's population, when I tell you I believe that the Chinese people should violently overthrow the Chinese Communist Party, just as I believe the conservative crypto-Christian government of Texas, among other levels of government in America, should be violently overthrown for their malign roles in deliberately spreading the virus and murdering Americans.

Apparently, American conservatives learned nothing from the CCP's initial secrecy and stupidity except to emulate and double down on it, but conservatives the world over ... yes, the CCP is quintessentially conservative in its efforts to maintain the status quo order that insures their power ... are exquisitely consistent and predictable in their ingrained, habitual reaction to events.

Apparently too, the CCP learned from murderous American conservatism how to get rid of "socialist" state-sponsored health insurance for all its citizens and degrade and defund their public health infrastructure since China "liberalized" their economy in the classical sense, though I never hear American conservatives extolling those conservative virtues adopted by the CCP.

Maybe it's mere Herman Cain stupidity in a dark blue conservative Mao business suit.

Witness CCP conservative secrecy at the University of Alabama:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/513962-university-of-alabama-ordered-faculty-to-keep-quiet-about-covid

The faculty and student body should burn that campus to the ground.

No wonder they don't permit the carrying of weapons on campus, self-preservation being for me but not for thee, the conservative mantra.

Worldwide conservatism: the gift that keeps on killing.

I'll bet Hong Kong's Postal Service is having troubles getting the mail out too.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-east-asian-mind-set-succeeded-with-the-coronavirus-when-western-individualism-failed-11598561912?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

The Germans are a funny sort, my ancestors.

Invade Czechoslovakia now! Kill all who resist!

Yavohl! Heil Hitler!

Wear a mask or else!

Fich dich! By what authority?


These guys, still with us, but dressed down a bit on the outside, are happy to wear funny hats and dumb suits and thrust their arms in synchronized unison salutes to their leader:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gU9op16rjQ

But ask them nicely to add a mask to their clown suits, and then they go all libertarian anti-authority. Why don't you move to China if you want to be forced to conform?

As Reason Magazine reasons, the obvious solution to all of this is many more guns.

Just as the solution to too many holes dug in the ground for graves is more shovels.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/michael-moore-were-facing-a-tragedy-of-epic-proportions-in-the-upcoming-election-11598801310?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

Just as the solution to too many holes dug in the ground for graves is more shovels.

Nonsense. The solution is more back hoes and power shovels. Gasoline/diesel back hoes, mind you. No green-powered electrical ones allowed.

Michael Moore

The situation in Kenosha is nothing but helpful to Trump.

The killing of George Floyd, the shooting of Jacob Blake, and the rest of the parade of killings and abuse of black people and people of color generally by cops is an outrage.

But if the response continues to be riots and destruction of property, we are probably looking at another four years of Trump.

To say nothing of the pretext it provides for free-lance vigilante violence, and the escalation of what we see now into persistent episodes of what is essentially low-scale warfare.

All the stuff nous talks about? This is that. And it is a gift to Trump.

The situation is unraveling.

What I'd like to see is a forceful statement from Biden and Harris, telling the rioters to stay the hell home. There is a lot of support for peaceful protest, even if angry. There is not only a lack of support for rioting and destruction of private property, there is a strong aversion to it.

Time for the anarchists to stand down. They're not helping anyone, with anything.

I'm pretty certain russell is right here.

What I'd like to see is a forceful statement from Biden and Harris, telling the rioters to stay the hell home. There is a lot of support for peaceful protest, even if angry. There is not only a lack of support for rioting and destruction of private property, there is a strong aversion to it.

Time for the anarchists to stand down. They're not helping anyone, with anything.

As for the likelihood of this happening, the jury is out. I can see that from the Biden/Harris camp there must be a lot of delicate electoral calculation going on, between what would help and what would hinder. Here's hoping (and praying, but to whom, for us atheists?) they find a way through.

“ They're not helping anyone, with anything.”

They never do

"We all understand your anger. We are angry, too. The abuse and unnecessary, unjustifiable killing of people of color by police must end. But rioting and destruction of property does nothing to save black lives. It must also come to and end, and must come to an end today."

That should cover it. I don't want to speak for them, but I think most of the black community would be happy to hear it.

Thing is, Trump knows violence helps him. So he’s encouraging it.

Perhaps, because he’s Trump, he will overdo the encouragement and people will notice what he’s up to.

Probably not, though.

And the left should stand down and let the Trumpeaffen take the spotlight for a while.

What cleek said (at 12:43). On the evidence, their interest in helping anyone else, remains what it has always been: zero.

Thing is, Trump knows violence helps him. So he’s encouraging it.

Yes.

It's a gift, to the Trump campaign.

Thing is, Trump knows violence helps him. So he’s encouraging it.

I, for one, will be utterly unsurprised if it turns out (long after the election is over, of course) that a significant portion of the looting and violence was initiated by members of the Trump campaign organization. Given the kind of folks attracted to Trump, they will likely write books, or at least gove interviews, boasting about it. With luck, some will be dumb enough to do so before the statute of limitations runs out.

I agree. The anarchists, who are not Black Lives Matter, should stand down. Police forces should begin interdicting violent offenders with force rather than storm trooping peaceful demonstrators.

The anarchists ... antifa ... mostly white, since whites ruin everyfuckingthing, some number of whom of are Trump's/Putin's outside agitators and FBI undercover actors, but the white trash rioters are bad enough in their own right ... there is a photo of Rittenhouse attending a trump rally and not in the cheap seats ... are creating Trump's Reichstag fire (the Nazis set the big fires; Hitler's mortal enemies, the Communists, set the little fires) and many voters will choose ORDER in the streets AND accept in the malign package stolen elections, out-of-control police forces across the country gunning down more and more unarmed blacks, in the back, more deadly pollution, including the destruction by global warming, the purposeful bankrupting of Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, abject government corruption at the hands of Trump conservative movement thugs, the continued dismantling of the public health system at all levels of government by conservative movement anarchic disruptors, the desecration of public lands, the destruction and defunding of public schooling and universities, the handing over of much of American life to the corrupt sexually profligate crypto-Christian prosperity gospel, total cessation of immigration, legal and illegal, and possibly strict travel restrictions outside US for all Americans disloyal to fucking vermin Trump, the bankruptcy of state and municipal government and the cessation of government services, the total disruption of the international order and the unlimited spread of nuclear weaponry, and the big one, for which the subhuman vermin in the conservative movement hired Trump to carry through with to accomplish all the above, the reneging on all federal debt and the bankruptcy of the American government and the destruction of any tax base with which to resurrect government.

America is walking right into the catastrophically fascist hands of the pure Evil of Donald Trump and his fully branded subhuman murderous conservative movement, to maintain ORDER, and if you pronounce the word in Colonel Klink's fake news accent, you'll know precisely the cheap order we are buying into.

At the end of it all, Kenosha et al is going to look like a candlelight vigil compared to what is coming if America chooses, once again, ORDER over the black and brown races rather than the messy inefficiencies of a democratic republic destroyed by a subhuman demagogic movement.

Rod Dreher calls us Weimar America.

And I know what jackbooted horror he is willing to go along with to keep his Crypto-Christian conservative order, and it ain't a bunch of guys midway thru sexual reassignment surgery kvetching about my pronoun usage.

"We all understand your anger. We are angry, too. The abuse and unnecessary, unjustifiable killing of people of color by police must end. But rioting and destruction of property does nothing to save black lives. It must also come to and end, and must come to an end today."

Please will somebody send this to the campaign? To be launched in every outlet of every medium. It would come better from an American than a foreigner sitting on the sidelines....

You see, this is the age-old shape of things:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-former-acting-chief-of-staff-announces-plans-to-use-his-d-c-chops-to-make-wall-street-money-11598808035?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts

This corrupt government-hating get uses his Citizens United-gathered payoff blood money to insert himself into governing me by destroying that which protects the public and then uses that vain, malign trophy to become rich in the very same industry he was corruptly paid to deregulate.

If the armed blacks and the armed right wing whites must use violence, then join together for once in American history and aim it at the
scum who fuck all of them over.

Please will somebody send this to the campaign?

imagine if we had a president who would say such things?

just look at those Marxists sitting in the backs of their pickup trucks, spraying civilians with pepper spray and shooting them with paintball guns.

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1299908467457622016

fuck Trump and his supporters.

It's been pretty clear to me for a while that the writhing mass of id that steers the loose coalition of theocratic nationalists on the right is not running an election campaign per se so much as it is working to radicalize and concentrate that coalition. There is enough ratfuckery with the infrastructure of democracy happening outside of the campaign channels to sabotage any efforts at fixing the mess, win or lose. All of that behind the scenes wanton destruction is just there to erode governmental ability to act. If the feds can be stripped of any power, then the theocratic nationalists can assert their will on their local areas without fear of interference. The campaign is working to "jump in" as many "soldiers" as it can to act as a militia.

Everyone keeps talking about a civil war, but this is looking to me more like the aftermath of the civil war and the birth of the Klan. It's not open warfare, it's shadow power and the threat of vigilante justice.

The rhetoric coming out of RW media bears a striking resemblance to that found in a Thomas Dixon novel. Just swap out "Antifa" for any racist slurs and you are most of the way to a modern adaptation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-anti-climb-wall-protests-2020-7?op=1

To quote Trump in another context about a another wall and an(other) group of human beings he wants to kill but are far more legitimately human than he is:

I want to "gas, maim, and pierce the flesh" of the current inhabitants of the White House inside that wall. I want to "paint that wall black" so these vermin burn their flesh trying to escape over it. I want to "aim a heat ray at them and cook their flesh" if those murderers attempt to escape the justice that is coming to them.

That would seem much more patriotic work for the rioters than shooting at cops, burning down businesses run by innocent citizens, and destroying the Biden campaign.

Probably the Trump/Justice Department operatives among them, however, would talk them out of changing their target away from the irrelevant to the true EVIL.

However, being a moderate liberal, I would build a door in the wall that opens outward and give the inhabitant criminals one peaceful hour (I know it will take Melania and Ivanka some minutes to pack) to walk thru it and be subject to traditional methods of justice.

I'm reading Auden this morning.

"Dance Macabre", the first four stanzas:

http://images.myshared.ru/4/190817/slide_20.jpg

imagine if we had a president who would say such things?

Well, russell has steadfastly refused to admit his fitness for ROTU, so you would have to make do with a president. But there's only one on offer who could even form his (normal-sized) lips round those words, let alone mean them.

russell has steadfastly refused to admit his fitness for ROTU

The best leader / his people hardly know he exists.

so who knows, perhaps I'm qualified after all.

FWIW, I contacted both my Senators and also my House Rep, asking them to speak to this issue in terms more or less like what I wrote upthread.

There is no good end game to where we're headed right now.

As ham sandwiches go, Russell would be gourmet.

Drum roll for Russell:

https://www.tmz.com/2020/08/30/dave-grohl-foo-fighters-drum-challenge-10-year-old-girl/?ocid=uxbndlbing

Meanwhile, here's the girl-punching killer Republicans all over the media this weekend are threatening to sic on Trump's and their hated Others, meaning all of us.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/30/1973512/-Caught-on-video-Kyle-Rittenhouse-sucker-punches-a-girl

FWIW, I contacted both my Senators and also my House Rep, asking them to speak to this issue in terms more or less like what I wrote upthread.

Excellent. I wish every decent, thinking American would do likewise, and that I had senators and congresspeople to write to.

Dave Grohl is by all accounts a great guy.

He's sort of the rock star version of the major league ball player who hangs out with the kids, signs autographs for free, and always makes sure to toss a couple of balls into the stands for folks to take home.

Also, a great drummer.

Be like Dave Grohl.

Please will somebody send this to the campaign?

Biden.

I like the man.

Also, a great drummer.

He played drums on Queens of the Stone Age’s album “Songs for the Deaf.” It’s impressive. He does quite a bit more than on any of the Nirvana albums.

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