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July 17, 2020

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So you tell me, how is Harris immune from the garbage machine?

Harris isn't, of course. No VP pick is. But it makes a difference, I think, if the garbage machine has the luxury of leveraging past garbage. Which, with Benghazi, it would.

I don't have any particular favorite among the women being talked about. (I have no clue which of them are being seriously considered.) I would hope Biden avoids those who have never held elective office, either at the Federal level or as governor. Just because I think they would be too far behind on the learning curve.

Which, with Benghazi, it would.

I think that the only people who are worried about Benghazi! are people who would never vote for Biden. Just my impression.

Biden will pick somebody. That person will be fine. I hope it's Kamala Harris, but if it isn't, there is probably a decent argument why it wouldn't work to have her there, and I'm not going to second guess it.

I don't think the Benghazi narrative in itself would do anything to sway a potential Biden voter, but I think him turning to someone so intimately associated with the Clintons well could. Biden needs to lean on Obama and keep the Clintons at several arms length. There's a role for Hillary to play in voter outreach, but that is a role in the DNC shadows preaching to the choir.

Basically, I think that Rice is the worst choice, narratively, of the choices supposedly on the short list, and would prefer any of the others to her for that reason alone.

And when I hear that Biden is afraid of some of his potentials' ambitions for the position, I really worry. He needs to pick someone who can do his job and do it well.

I think him turning to someone so intimately associated with the Clintons well could.

Sorry to quote myself, but "What we need to do better is to not buy into the garbage machine ourselves, which some of us are pretty bad at. We need to fight it." Thanks for illustrating my point. Rice is an amazing woman. Please quit helping the haters.

Just saying. Also:

And when I hear that Biden is afraid of some of his potentials' ambitions for the position, I really worry.

I read these kinds of articles and take them with a grain of salt. Biden was not my primary pick by a long shot, but this is malicious gossip. And the thing about gossip is maybe it's true, but maybe it isn't. The VP isn't our call anyway.

Night all.

Anybody who isn't ambitious wouldn't even have gotten into consideration. Claiming to be worried (or, second hand, that someone else is worried) about that strikes me as nonsense. Probably nonsense covering some other objection, but nonsense nonetheless.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-53625728

It begins.

It will be precedence for worldwide upheaval and savage fury against conservative fascism in every corner of the world, including China, Russia, and America.

If Bolsonaro is successful in shutting down that country's Congress and Courts, Trump will do it here as well in banana republic America.

Bolsonaro must be destroyed.

Trump admires Putin's and Xi Jinping's ruthlessness and absolute totalitarian power.

Trump admires Putin's and Xi Jinping's ruthlessness and absolute totalitarian power.

Not so much "admires" as envies. Not least because he knows that, if push comes to shove, he doesn't have the balls to see it thru. Instead, he'll cave. All that's necessary is that we have the courage to stand up to him when it's crunch time.

The “too ambitious” comment is a long standing and pernicious slur which seems almost always to be applied to women candidates.

I don’t know if this account is true, but it doesn’t dispose me to think very well of Chris Dodd.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/harris-allies-biden-call-dodd-389848

Dodd, Rendell, all of the high priest good ole white boy race and gender gate keepers, need to go... not to the burning prosecutorial Hell where Trump and company are going, but GO!

"Too ambitious" is a mainstream Democratic synonym for what conservative republicans call "uppity".*

I'll take with great relief the Biden ham sandwich at the top, but we don't need a picnic basket full of rancid ham sandwiches and green-around-the-gills potato salad that have been sitting out in the sun too long.

Aren't these the same dopes who didn't think Clinton needed to set foot in Michigan in 2016?

As I recall, Dodd had little use for his female lessers in Congress besides finding the top of their heads a good place on which to set his drink.

I don't like power brokers.

I want power broken.

Loyalty is what sniffing dupe republican dogs do around the ass end of THEIR fascist demagogues, after of course having their palms greased with tax cuts.

*Uppity
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07/31/tucker-shreds-greasy-politician-obama-for-desecrating-a-memorial-with-deeply-dishonest-campaign-speech-953771

I'm going to speak at Carlson's funeral after the racist, despicable cuck is executed.

That he will be the deceased guest of honor IS the desecration.

Harris is great. Nothing against her, at all.

But. Short term, she can do more good applying her prosecutorial skills in the Senate, particularly with a majority that gives her subpoena power.

And opening up a Senate seat for GOP ratfnckery worries me. Oh sure, everyone says "CA is safe for D's!". But "top-two" primaries and the example of Ahnold say that perhaps not as safe as assumed.

And opening up a Senate seat for GOP ratfnckery worries me.

There are a lot of considerations, and this is one of them, which is why I'm not actively rooting for any particular candidate. I'll do what small part I can to make as many Republicans leave office as possible. That's as high as my pay grade takes me.

I agree that Harris' talents would be put to better use in the Senate, though heading up the Department of Justice and putting cuffs on Barr would be a sweet thing to behold.

https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/people-of-the-lie/

Bring it all down.

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/did-trump-suffer-some-sort-of-medical-crisis-today

Pence will be worse, because he actually believes God will kill his enemies, whereas Trump merely hires God as a contractor hitman who he can later not pay.

moreover, he can explain it.

the speech was what prompted his meditation on who Americans choose for their leaders and what that could mean for the future of the US.

nous has captured the gist of it.

In 2016, Clinton won 48.2% of the popular vote, to Trump's 46.1%. That is not a commanding victory.

About 40% of folks eligible to vote didn't bother to vote at all.

You can factor in the Russian fnckery, but that mostly took the form of inflammatory ads, consumed by people who were inclined to believe them.

You can factor in the James Comey "we're looking into a fresh batch of emails" October surprise, but that just exposes the political bullshit going on in the FBI.

And you can factor in 25 years of anti-Clinton propaganda, but that has to be weighed against 40 years of Trump basically being a highly visible flaming asshole.

The fact that more or less half of the people who could be bothered to show up and vote were willing to cast their vote for Donald J Trump is profoundly disturbing. To me.

What I see is a public who are either indifferent, or too freaking busy to be engaged in public life because they're working their @sses off trying to make the rent, or people who have their piece of the pie and don't give a crap about anybody else except maybe other people who are just like them. Or, people who feel ignored by and excluded from public life, in the sense of the "res publica", and so the idea of burning it all down seems like a reasonable gamble.

What we have at the moment, as far as I can see, is a nation with a sort of performative democracy, but whose governance is directed by and for the interests of a tiny plutocratic minority. Everyone else gets to scramble for their freaking lives, or else try to survive on resentfully given social safety net scraps.

Is it possible to turn that around? Yes, and we have in fact done precisely that before. See also, our history from the Gilded Age to the New Deal.

Do I see it happening now? No, not really.

So I'm pessimistic about the American project.

We'll see how it goes in November. If the election is remotely fair, Trump will be tossed out on his ass. But he's a corrupt egomaniac with basically, not only no scruples, but no understanding of what a scruple is, so I don't know how it's going to play out.

It's not just about Trump. The level of support he continues to command - both among the population in general, the (R) party and the institutions of governance, and among people who have the means to influence events - is basically astounding to me, and tells me that the kind of ground-level civic virtue necessary to responsible self-governance is pretty freaking thin on the ground.

Trump is, for a disturbingly broad slice of America, who we are. There is no way around that fact. It is plainly in evidence.

And that is why I'm pessimistic. It's always been a fragile enterprise, there have been any number of times we could have gone belly-up in one way or another.

This is one of those times.

I'd be interested in lj's take on this:

https://mb.com.ph/2020/08/02/japan-acted-like-the-virus-had-gone-now-its-spreading-everywhere/

VP fantasy baseball league thoughts:

Rice is highly qualified, and would probably const Biden a point or two in the popular vote, because Benghazi. Full stop.

Harris is highly qualified, and might cost Biden a point or two in the popular vote, because California. Then again, she might win him a point or so, because she exudes kick-ass competence. Then again, her kick-ass competence comes with an aggressive edge, which some folks will find off-putting, especially from a black woman.

(D)'s operate under rules of engagement that (R)'s simply don't give a crap about, so there is strong and not-unreasonable pressure on Biden to pick a woman of color.

My own druthers would be Abrams, because kick-ass competence, a demeanor demonstrating a generally taking-no-sh*t attitude that is also refreshing non-hostile, and Georgia instead of California.

Duckworth is also attractive because she has absolutely unassailable patriotic cred.

But I'm down with the ham sandwich. Any kind of bread, any kind of cheese, mustard or mayo, with or without pickles tomato and lettuce.

Ham sandwich.

Get that sorry bastard out of there.

The First Amendment is dead:

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/media-barred-from-us-republican-convention-when-trump-will-receive-nomination

That leaves only one other Amendment with which to rule America.

Duckworth is also attractive because she has absolutely unassailable patriotic cred.

Which means that she would be portrayed 24/7 as 100 times worse than Benedict Arnold, the Rosenbergs or any other go-to traitor from US school textbooks.

Short term, she can do more good applying her prosecutorial skills in the Senate, particularly with a majority that gives her subpoena power.

I dispute this. Under Democratic caucus rules in the Senate, Harris is years/decades away from being in a position to make those decisions. The members who have put in 18 or 24 years so they can control a committee and its staff are not about to defer to her. And only the committee chair has actual subpoena power.

Elizabeth Warren will have the same problem. No one is going to step aside and let her run the banking committee despite her obvious expertise.

As for Duckworth's unassailable patriotic cred, you'd think so, but after the swift boating debacle nothing would surprise me. Her legs are pretty in your face, though, so there's that.

Oh sure, everyone says "CA is safe for D's!". But "top-two" primaries and the example of Ahnold say that perhaps not as safe as assumed.

What we actually see, in our top-two primaries is either one candidate from each party or two Democrats. The chances of two Republicans emerging from a statewide primary are essentially nil. And head-to-head, there's no way a Republican beats a Democrat here.

Ahnold was a special case. He won office the first time in an election where the Democratic governor was being recalled after gross dishonesty. Which rather tainted the Democratic candidate. And, with over 100 names on the ballot, name recognition was critical. Other than him, however, it's been decades since a Republican won a statewide election.

So, for the foreseeable future, yeah, California is exactly that safe.

McGovern's patriotism was unassailable and successfully assailed by the conservative movement, all of whom expressed various anal complaints, again successfully, to their local draft boards.

Duckworth could waggle her stumps at the republican electorate and most of them would use it as hilarious reason to defund and deregulate the ADA, the scum.

Michael Cain is of course correct about the reality of the Congressional situation.

after the swift boating debacle nothing would surprise me.

See also Max Cleland - both legs and half an arm. Also, Silver and Bronze Star medals, for conspicuous valor.

So, no guarantees. (R)'s appear to inhabit a world where traditional virtues are respected when useful, otherwise not.

Not just lacking in scruples, but apparently unaware that such a thing exists, or has any value.

In any case, I'm not that invested in the whole VPOTUS inside baseball thing.

Ham sandwich.

A view from the front lines on forcing school reopening.
https://washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/01/schools-reopening-coronavirus-arizona-superintendent/

Unfortunately for this school superintendent, he's in a state (Arizona) with a nutcase governor.

The First Amendment is dead:

i'm sure some enterprising intern will find a way to turn on his/her iPhone during some of the fun parts.

Houston, we have a ..... glug .. problem:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/2/1964946/-In-Houston-new-flood-control-projects-are-being-called-social-engineering-for-helping-the-poor

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas is advising the poorer sections of Houston to do the backstroke and drown so that the tonier parts of town can get their taxes lowered AND spent only on keeping flood waters and backed-up sewage out of the latters' swimming pools.

It's not only Houston. This goes on all over the country in urban centers.

The subsidized flood insurance chickens coming home to roost.

Convergence culture, or lack of culture, or something... looks like BoJo is trying to follow Orange Julius' lead to find his own Mouthpiece of Sauron:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/02/no-10-criticised-over-drive-to-recruit-white-house-style-spokesperson

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/08/01/trump-and-kushner-must-be-prosecuted-for-crimes-against-humanity/

The First Amendment is dead:

Haha, just kidding !

My suggestion: don't cover it. We all know how the vote is going to turn out, we probably know who is going to speak, we definitely know what they are all going to say.

Skip it and cover something newsworthy.

Isn't that the whole point of saying that no journalists will be admitted? To have an excuse already in place for not getting any airtime. The whole Trump campaign seems laser focused on preemptive excuses.

The First Amendment is dead:

https://www.ibtimes.com/trump-days-away-moving-against-tiktok-pompeo-3021229

I guess they have had enough of the Chinese, umm, no, come, their fellow nigger Americans:

https://www.vogue.com/article/is-sarah-cooper-the-reason-donald-trump-wants-to-ban-tik-tok

Biden should name Sarah Cooper his Press Secretary.

During the White House press conferences/firing squads, she could ventriloquize her answers to FOX News, and Breitbart, and OANN reporters in Trump's odd, 12-year-old sadistic, malign, subhuman pure republican voice and then shoot them in their heads.

The Second Amendment is alive and waiting to be made fully instrumental in a stolen American Presidential election.

Thank you, Republicans, for arming us.

You fucking idiots.

These meager Republican subhuman crowds still produce the litter, bad breath, animal body odor, chemical pollution, and fatal Covid-19 infections of liberal crowds a million times their size:

https://juanitajean.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/62BE0CAC-7C5F-4ACF-9351-2160292BC683.jpeg

The Chinese can hardly keep up.

This is to the Republican Party:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaTyUkGonul

uh, one two three:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaTyUkGonuI&list=RDMMxaTyUkGonuI&start_radio=1

These meager Republican ... crowds

Their Photoshop skills are... not good.

Also, I've elided the 'subhuman'. No need for that.

There was a demonstration by the COVID-deniers in Berlin (Germany) yesterday. Police estimates are that there were about 20000* participants. The instigators** said that they expected half a million and afterwards claimed that there were actually a million or more present. Outright Trumpian.

* 20K, I did not drop a zero there
**deliberate choice of word

No need for that

Quite right. They demean themselves, we don't need to join them.

Yesterday the Nevada legislature approved a bill to distribute ballots to all registered voters by mail in November. The governor is expected to sign it. Trump's tweet included "See you in Court!" That's seven of the 13 western states doing ballot distribution almost exclusively by mail this year. Eight if you count Arizona at their normal 80%. Nine if you count Montana at 70%.

The western US -- ahead to the curve again! ;-)

Trump is dismantling the Post Office. I certainly hope that votes of those voting by mail are actually counted.

https://digbysblog.net/2020/08/new-committee-to-save-the-world/

It appears that LOTS of Republicans out in the states are really, really upset at the negative impact Trump's tweets are having on their efforts to encourage absentee voting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-race-to-promote-mail-voting-as-trumps-attacks-discourage-his-own-supporters-from-embracing-the-practice/2020/08/03/9dd1d988-d1d9-11ea-9038-af089b63ac21_story.html

It appears that he may succeed in seriously damaging down-ballot Republican candidates as well.

It's hard to imagine Trump doing something that would be self-defeating. *tries to keep a straight face*

I'm sure he doesn't believe in "self-defeating." After all, in the past he's always gotten bailed out -- by Dad, by Vlad, by whomever. Why should he expect this time to suddenly be different?

These republicans are only TWO "reallys" into being upset, at this late moment in this dumpster fire of a republic?

Wake me when these "republicans" get to two dozen reallys, where the rest of us are and have been, and are calling on their local militia assholes to turn their vaunted Second Amendment solutions against all things federal trump.

The White House is now going full anti-semite on BLM, saying it's an international Soros Jewish conspiracy against Trump.

Time for postal workers to go fully postal.

All of the pure fascist EVIL the conservative movement has been ginning up for decades against the enemy Others into a thick bolus of hate is about to be expectorated all over America from the former's savage, ruthless, violent throats, and enabled by its tax-hating, immigrant-hating, regulation-hating dupes.

Only our puny civilized imaginations limit what WE can dimly foretell is coming.

Trump and his fascists have limitless imaginations regarding their plans for destroying all civilized governance.

The fact that trump and his tea party QAnon right wing, crypto-Christian scum are now deliberately alienating even the hardcore conservatives tells me something much more catastrophic is afoot.

American crypto-Christianity is mere camouflage for something much more sinister and deadly.

They love death by pandemic.

The Russian investigation barely scratched the surface of what underlies all of this.

Unless of course Trump is just all-American jazz, man, making it up as he scats along.

Back to QAnon: Why has no one, our intelligence forces, our vast resources of investigative media, been able to identify the source of this EVIL, and kill it or them?

These republicans are only TWO "reallys" into being upset, at this late moment in this dumpster fire of a republic?

Sloth on my part, I'm afraid. It's just too much trouble to type more than two.

The White House is now going full anti-semite on BLM, saying it's an international Soros Jewish conspiracy against Trump.

Does that mean Kushner (and Ivanka) is taking responsibility for it? Just wondering.

Unless of course Trump is just all-American jazz, man, making it up as he scats along.

Except jazz has artistic merit. Trump? Not so's you would notice.

QAnon: Why has no one, our intelligence forces, our vast resources of investigative media, been able to identify the source of this EVIL

I wondered that myself. But perhaps the intelligence folks have. Maybe even put it in Trump's Daily Brief (not that he reads it). But why would Trump allow them to do anything about it?

What if trump's alienation of down-ballot conservatives is not self-defeating behavior, but part of the larger plan.

Cue our conservative friends' musings that Trump is a Clinton put-up job from the get go. A long-fused bomb placed under the Nazi republican table.

Aye, what a crafty one she is.

Is she QAnon?

Pizzagate was a Clinton setup to make crazy people look crazy. They took the bait. I like it. The real conspiracy behind the conspiracy! So many layers...

I don't think they can dismantle things far enough for the normal arrangement in the western states to fail -- almost no one has to request a mail ballot and there's usually at least one alternate return method. Eg, in my state, most ballots are returned by depositing them at one of the collection locations operated by the counties.

That said, I was already worried about the states that are simply encouraging the use of an existing absentee system where the ballot has to be requested, then sent, then returned, all by mail. Those are already at risk of being overwhelmed, and if there's a couple of extra days of delay each time something goes through the mail, well, it could be really bad.

I was already worried about the states that are simply encouraging the use of an existing absentee system where the ballot has to be requested, then sent, then returned, all by mail.

That is, indeed, the critical weakness. Happily, a fair number of states managed, when running primaries during covid-19, to get the job done.

The ones which have made a mess of it have gotten most of the airtime -- after all, disasters always get the headlines. And a general election can be a much bigger effort. Not to mention state funds running short. But we shouldn't assume that the messes we have heard so much about are the norm.

Unless of course Trump is just all-American jazz, man

Trump takes a chorus. On soprano sax, no less.

C'mon, at least one of those notes was in the right key!

So he switches to tenor.

Still no joy.

Maybe trumpet?

back to the woodshed.

The trumpet can derail the best of us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmsnehPa8G0

Trade it in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BhS_bOxqg

Putin should stick to playing the trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Af_Ka0auw

Michael Cain, look. Colorado's Tancredo is back, full QAnon, natch.

https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/qanon-candidate-lauren-boebert-touting-endorsement-tom-tancredo-white

Every chance he gets.

Watch out for masked Democrats?

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/foxs-jeanine-pirro-point-wearing-masks-dehumanize-and-frighten-people

She should wear a mask out of sheer embarrassment. Maybe a face transplant. Maybe a face plant.

Here's what happens to real Judges appointed by Democrats:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-salas-breaks-silence-in-heartbreaking-video-tribute-after-sons-shooting-death/ar-BB17vnKw

The conservative movement murders them and their children.

The Civil War is already underway.


There's not whit of difference between Libertarians* and Republicans in the mortal danger of their grifts to America:

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/ron-paul-uses-fox-appearance-push-conspiracy-theory-about-covid-19-vaccine-and

What is it about the medical field that attracts so many insane, paranoid, dangerous conspiratorial daft punks.

I realize Charles is the keeper of the ledger that separates real libertarians from the fake ones.

I wonder though if he has ever found a real one besides himself.

Calling Dr. Mengele, Dr. NotsoFine, Dr. Mengele.

Texas is on the cutting edge of reining in healthcare cost:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/how-a-175-covid-19-test-led-to-2479-in-charges

Defund the Navy Seals. But be careful. They will f*cking kill you:

https://juanitajean.com/dudes-no/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump/manhattan-da-investigating-trump-for-more-than-hush-money-payments-idUSKCN24Z26F

The investigation is related to “alleged insurance and bank fraud by the Trump Organization and its officers,” among other things, Manhattan District Cyrus Vance said in seeking to dismiss Trump’s challenge to a subpoena for eight years of his personal and corporate tax records.

(...)

In his second amended complaint, filed in federal court in Manhattan on July 27, Trump argued the subpoena was “wildly overbroad” and was issued “bad faith.”

Vance, in responding to the claim the subpoena was overbroad, said Trump’s argument “rests on the false premise that the grand jury’s investigation is limited to so-called ‘hush-money’ payments made by Michael Cohen” on Trump’s behalf in 2016.

(...)

In Monday’s filing, Vance notes public allegations of possible criminal activity at the Trump Organization dating back over a decade.

“This possible criminal activity occurred within the applicable statutes of limitations, particularly if the transactions involved a continuing pattern of conduct,” the court papers say.

The guy's crooked. Something has to stick sooner or later.

IF trump loses the election, and IF he relinquishes the Presidency without concerted violence by his dupes, I'm trying to game what he could do between election day and Biden's Inauguration to sabotage governance by the Democratic Party and throw America into immediate and emergency financial peril:

These are just the big ones:

1. Order the Treasury Department to default on the outstanding debt of the United States. He'd have to fire Mnuchin to do it, I expect, but what else is new? There are plenty of Trump crazies inside Treasury willing to do the deed. Congressional approval? Details, details, as norms are forever vanquished in republican pigfucker America.

2. Order the Federal Reserve to crater the money supply and steeply invert the yield curve to halt economic activity. That succubus witch the Republicans are about to confirm in the Senate to Fed Gov post would be happy to take over the reins for a two months and carry out Trump's sexy demonology. She's been hoarding his sperm for just such an occasion.

3. Order the Treasury and the Fed Reserve to unload all of the corporate bonds they have stowed away for safekeeping (and stocks too, if my overactive imagination has sussed that out accurately) thus destroying all bids for the paper out of the sheer avalanche of "supply side" overkill.

Federal reserve an independent agency, you say? It is whatever evil conservatism compels it to be.

Also halt or at least slow walk all processing of mortgage paperwork the government does to backup those markets.

4. He will rage daily via Twitter and the fascist media as markets crater and liquidity goes tits up that the markets know ALL about how Biden is going to destroy the country's economy and bankrupt everyone, and are reacting accordingly.

Kudlow will nod sagely. The fascist conservative media will fan the flames of total financial panic.

There are enough scum on Wall Street and among the big money thugs that would go along to subvert governance by Biden and make it difficult to raise, or even collect, their taxes.

5. Multiple war flashpoints in the world erupting ... in his favor.

Measuring EVIL ahead of time, so we have the coffins ready. These vampires will be buried with their conservative hate erections fully erect.

This leaves out much that is already happening vis a vis the Post Office, furloughing or laying off much of the IRA to halt tax collection, refusing all transition communications and meetings with Biden's advance transition team and destroying all records across every agency government-wide compiled over the last four years, and whatever high profile Democrats William Barr is ordered to perp walk from November into February, including maybe even Biden.

Remember this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/05/02/georgia-governor-candidate-aims-gun-at-teenager-in-campaign-ad-get-over-it-he-tells-critics/

We were warned that he was killer, probably of children, by HIM:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/260-employees-in-georgia-s-largest-school-district-test-positive-for-covid-19-or-are-exposed/ar-BB17vTID

Again, elections are all very good in a civilized country.

Someone run out and find me a civilized country.

Because this piece of shit country isn't.

Pure speculation, but I actually think Rump would become a lump if he were to lose the election. He would lose interest and be sullen, terse, and withdrawn. Low energy!

Pure speculation, but I actually think Rump would become a lump if he were to lose the election.

I expect he'll file a bunch of law suits. Because that's what he's accustomed to doing when he loses. But beyond that, any major nastiness (beyond name-calling) will likely be from the folks who have been grifting off his position, and want to cover themselves.

You mean, like Seinfeld's Kramer?

You CAN'T fire me. I don't even work here.

Now, Hitler, as the Allied forces closed in, became sullen, terse, and withdrawn and doubled down on the orders to murder the Jews.

The Confederate Army in retreat burned the crops and slayed the livestock.

The Russian Army raped coming and going.

Hyenas and jackals rip a haunch off the carcass and head into the underbrush when the lions show up.

But, theories abound.

I hope I'm wrong in all particulars.

Trump being wheeled out of the White House, after refusing to concede or attend the Inauguration, but in a catatonic funk with Jared carrying his drool cup and a bedpan would be satisfying, as would the mass suicides of his followers, and his thug rat fuckers going overboard after stuffing taxpayer cash accounts and the White House silver, doorknobs, artwork, and knickknacks down their pants.

Yes, wj, always remember what Roy Cohn would do, and what trump has always done.

Adjudicate until everyone is either dead or gives up out of sheer exasperation.

Biden as the legal President in exile should completely defund and shut down the entire Federal judiciary, so there is nowhere for trump to plead is case.

Make the country utterly ungovernable and stalemated by the Republican Party. Mass-disobey all of their rules and laws.

If they send a dog catcher to take your dog into custody, shoot your dog.


I'll admit, because we are by and large nice people, that shooting our pets might be our Achilles heel.

Santorum, after all thought so highly of our kindness to the creatures that he predicted we would marry them.

Time wounds all heels, but why wait?

Lay down all of the markers and collect ruthlessly in full:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/politics-in-an-iterated-game

She needs to be socially tracked, branded, marked with a scarlet letter, shunned, and spat on:

https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/foxs-jeanine-pirro-i-dont-want-vaccine-coronavirus

If she passes this deadly virus on to another human being, she will end up exactly the same way as a black person pulling gun on a cop does.

Her life does not matter.

I feel sorry for this person:

https://bgr.com/2020/08/03/coronavirus-update-deborah-birx-white-house-task-force-coordinator-criticized-by-trump/

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/primary-counts-delayed-pandemic-novemeber-election

Flood the zone with shit and then wait it out might be the strategy.

It COULD take four more years to count the vote, if you do it the way Abbott counted out change to Costello.

It's Monday still, so I must be done already.

If you remember the Alamo, like the 1960s, then you must not have been there.

It appears that the Trump Virus has spread from DHS to the Secret Service.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/two-black-moms-took-their-kids-to-the-mall-secret-service-confronted-them-with-guns-they-said/2020/08/03/be4dfa8c-d4f1-11ea-9c3b-dfc394c03988_story.html

Do these people not even watch the news??? Do their supervisors not do so -- and brief their men accordingly on appropriate behavior? I mean, come on, two 20 year old women with babies are a security threat warranting drawn guns? Handcuffs, but no Miranda rights?

I suppose we should be glad that, while they claimed not to have business cards, they do seem to have provided names and vadge numbers. Eventually.

"Vadge" numbers? Which bathrooms do they use?

Is numbering them a new thing?

Black folks need to carry AR-15s with big clips all the time.

Here's another version outside the paywall.

https://hagerstownairport.org/2020/08/03/two-black-moms-took-their-kids-to-play-at-the-national-mall-secret-service-confronted-them-with-guns-they-said/

Biden will have much to do on his first day as President from his basement since the White House won't be available for some time, but he should call these two into his basement, make them under threat of violence relinquish their badges and arms, and remand them to Black Lives Matter militias.

We'll have John Yoo check in with them, if he can find any trace, AND if he can find his way back.

Here's another version outside the paywall.

Glad to have that. But for future reference, if you clear cookies (which I suspect most here know how to do), the WaPo paywall opens right up.

I know. I was momentarily lazier than usual. Thanks.

In 2016, Clinton won 48.2% of the popular vote, to Trump's 46.1%. That is not a commanding victory.

So because of the Post Office debacle, if Trump "wins" in 2020, will you [russell] be touting the numbers in a similar way? The votes that weren't counted because they were "late" [postmark being irrelevant because delivery is key]?

Y'know, you floor me with your intelligence, artistic acumen, but also missing a lot. Not that you're not an oracle, because you are.

Just out of interest: since when has it become common to have the (official) election results on election day evening? How long did it take for example in the times of Washington (pre-Telegraph) or Lincoln (with telegraph but likely not everywhere yet)?

President Trump says TikTok must be bought by US company and pay cut of selling price into US Treasury: "Right now they don't have any rights unless we give it to them."

let's see what Gallup says about Republican support for this actual tyrant... oh, suhprize, still at 91%.

So because of the Post Office debacle, ...

Let's see, what point was I making?

A hell of a lot of people support Donald Trump. I find that disturbing. If you cut Trump's popular vote in half, I would find it disturbing.

It tells me that we're not a nation of people who were somehow momentarily misled by a program of Russian propaganda. It tells me that we're a nation with a disturbingly high number of people who are happy to be led over the cliff by an obvious charlatan. We're a nation with a disturbingly high number of people who find the toxic mendacious bile he spews to be just what the doctor ordered.

If Trump wins or loses in 2020, that will still be so. Which makes me pessimistic about the future of the nation.

That's my point.

We keep fighting the same damned battles over and over again. We make some progress, we take a couple of steps back. The trend is generally positive in some ways, but frankly, not in others.

Maybe this - our current state of freaking deadlock, of stalemate between different understandings of what the country is about - is as good as we are gonna get. Maybe it's as good as we've ever been.

Y'know, you floor me with your intelligence, artistic acumen, but also missing a lot.

We all try to do our best. Fail better, is my motto.

let's see what Gallup says about Republican support for this actual tyrant... oh, suhprize, still at 91%.

Depressing.


russell, you are right. I am sorry. My comment wasn't constructive. Although I do think that the Russian interference campaign made the difference in the election, it was way too close, and there's no excuse for that, even though I keep wishing for one.

no worries.

I'm trying to figure out WTF we can all do about the USPS issue. Call our Congresspeople? Volunteer mail delivery? What?

Several swing states do not count ballots that arrive late. A lot of people will be voting by mail, because virus.

Trump could actually win, with significantly less support than he had in 2016, because he FUBARed the USPS. Which, apparently, is in his power to do.

I'm not seeing a remedy, other than GOTV and utterly bury him beyond any chance of his gaming it.

Another four years of Trump, and this country will be FUBAR. And I mean, really FUBAR.

I'm trying to figure out WTF we can all do about the USPS issue. Call our Congresspeople? Volunteer mail delivery? What?

I don't know. This appeared today in The Washington Post.

I had long been a poll-watcher for the Democratic party, but this year decided to train to be a poll worker (election official). I worked at the polls in March for our first primary. I didn't work at the primary in June - wasn't called. They expected a light turnout, and didn't want to risk poll workers getting sick, so made do with fewer people. I expect that I will be called to work in November, and I will probably put on a mask and do so, and vote in person as well.

The Virginia legislature (which recently turned blue) passed a law for no-excuse-necessary absentee voting, so that option is finally available to everyone. A lot of people are going to use it, but whether their votes will be counted is extremely uncertain.

It's horrifying.

since when has it become common to have the (official) election results on election day evening?

Don't know the answer to your specific question, but the issue at hand is that we don't elect the POTUS by popular vote. Each state gets a certain number of electors, and the electors vote.

Each state also gets to make its own rules about whether all of its electoral votes go to the popular vote winner in that state, or not.

Each state also gets to make its own rules about voting procedures, so if a state says ballots that arrive after election day are ignored, then they will be ignored, even though there is a month between election day and when the electors actually meet to vote.

I can't think of another nominally self-governing country on the face of the earth with a more convoluted, inconsistent, and frankly non-democratic process for choosing a national leader. It's insane.

but it's in The Constitution, therefore it's perfect. and anyone who thinks otherwise must be a America-hating liberal.

yeah, because we've never, ever changed anything in the Constitution.

Trump could actually win, with significantly less support than he had in 2016, because he FUBARed the USPS.

In some of the swing states, the local Republicans are already trying to tell Trump that screwing up mail ballot delivery is going to cost him more votes than it will cost Biden. In Arizona, the oldsters were the first to jump on the permanent mail ballot list. The Democratic Party there has only recently made progress in getting the young and minorities to take advantage of it. There's at least sketchy statistical evidence that in Colorado in 2014, the first federal election cycle we had vote by mail, VBM increased Republican turnout more than it increased Democratic turnout.

since when has it become common to have the (official) election results on election day evening?

A) Since the wide-spread adoption of the properly-maligned lever voting machines. Suddenly, ballots didn't have to be counted. A couple of precinct workers copied the numbers off the counters in the back of the machine, added them up, and sent them in to the city/county officials. Another round of adding there, and phone them in to the state officials. Suddenly, by 2:00 am or so, everything but the absentee ballots had been totaled up.

B) Since the announcement of partial results. Once that was happening, it was inevitable that the statisticians would start building predictive models. Hence the early pronouncements of the form, "With 5% of precincts reporting, ABC calls the state of Texas for George W. Bush." I enjoy some of the models. California has a strong pattern that late mail-in votes skew very heavily Democratic. So much so, and so reliably, that in 2018, one of the Republican candidates for a US House seat conceded the race while he was leading by several thousand votes. (He did indeed eventually lose.)

Well, maybe not the most convoluted.

Germany uses the mixed-member proportional representation system, a system of proportional representation combined with elements of first-past-the-post voting. The Bundestag has 598 nominal members, elected for a four-year term; these seats are distributed between the sixteen German states in proportion to the states' population eligible to vote.

Every elector has two votes: a constituency and a list vote. 299 members are elected in single-member constituencies by first-past-the-post, based just on the first votes. The second votes are used to produce an overall proportional result in the states and then in the Bundestag. Seats are allocated using the Sainte-Laguë method. If a party wins fewer constituency seats in a state than its second votes would entitle it to, it receives additional seats from the relevant state list. Parties can file lists in each single state under certain conditions; for example, a fixed number of supporting signatures. Parties can receive second votes only in those states in which they have successfully filed a state list.

If a party by winning single-member constituencies in one state receives more seats than it would be entitled to according to its second vote share in that state (so-called overhang seats), the other parties receive compensation seats. Owing to this provision, the Bundestag usually has more than 598 members. The 18th Bundestag, for example, started with 631 seats: 598 regular and 33 overhang and compensation seats. Overhang seats are calculated at the state level, so many more seats are added to balance this out among the different states, adding more seats than would be needed to compensate for overhang at the national level in order to avoid negative vote weight.

In order to qualify for seats based on the party-list vote share, a party must either win three single-member constituencies or exceed a threshold of 5% of the second votes nationwide. If a party only wins one or two single-member constituencies and fails to get at least 5% of the second votes, it keeps the single-member seat(s), but other parties that accomplish at least one of the two threshold conditions receive compensation seats. (In the most recent example of this, during the 2002 election, the PDS won only 4.0% of the party-list votes nationwide, but won two constituencies in the state of Berlin.) The same applies if an independent candidate wins a single-member constituency (which has not happened since 1949). In the 2013 election, the FDP only won 4.8% of party-list votes; this cost it all of its seats in the Bundestag.

If a voter has cast a first vote for a successful independent candidate or a successful candidate whose party failed to qualify for proportional representation, their second vote does not count to determine proportional representation. However, it does count to determine whether the elected party has exceeded the 5% threshold.

Parties representing recognized national minorities (currently Danes, Frisians, Sorbs and Romani people) are exempt from the 5% threshold, but normally only run in state elections.[5]

yeah, because we've never, ever changed anything in the Constitution.

I argue that post the Bill of Rights, we've only made two serious structural changes to the Constitution: the post-Civil War amendments and popular election of Senators. In the first one, 750,000 people had to die to get the changes made. In the second, we were within a whisker of calling a new convention and possibly tossing the whole thing out. Everything else, we've just diddled around the edges.

Perhaps the biggest change in our form of government isn't the result of any amendment. Congress, the President, and eventually the Supreme Court decided that Congress could delegate enormous amounts of legislating to the executive branch. I don't think it's an exaggeration to talk about "the fourth branch of government."

President Trump says TikTok must be bought by US company and pay cut of selling price into US Treasury

Well, that's definitely institutionalizing bribery and corruption.

A hell of a lot of people support Donald Trump. I find that disturbing. If you cut Trump's popular vote in half, I would find it disturbing.

It tells me that we're not a nation of people who were somehow momentarily misled by a program of Russian propaganda. It tells me that we're a nation with a disturbingly high number of people who are happy to be led over the cliff by an obvious charlatan.

I suspect that the number of Trump "supporters" who actually embrace him is far smaller. More on the order or the plurality of Republican voters he was getting in the early primaries. Still unhappily large, but a far smaller group.

The rest are just folks who see politics like sports, and reflexively support "their" team/party. Which is a different kind of disturbing. But my sense is that, unlike us here, most people don't actually see a connection between politicians (beyond the local level) and their own lives. So they feel free to cheer, without noticing the consequences.

When they do notice, when the consequences get through their thick heads, their support turns to outrage at their betrayal. But getting thru to them is challenging. The information silos we have today make it harder. Harder, that is, than it was in our youth, when everybody watched the same 3 broadcast networks. But not, I think, notably harder than in the days when we had similar information silos based on which newspaper one read.

Another four years of Trump, and this country will be FUBAR. And I mean, really FUBAR.

With the caveat that the R in this case may be for Recovery rather than Recognition.

Well, maybe not the most convoluted.

That was actually very interesting. Here's the tl;dr version:

The German president and chancellor are both elected by bodies whose members accurately reflect the population at large. The Bundestag in the case of the chancellor, the Bundestag and electors chosen by state legislators.

In the first one, 750,000 people had to die to get the changes made. In the second, we were within a whisker of calling a new convention and possibly tossing the whole thing out.

If that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.

A process that results in POTUS Trump is seriously flawed.

A process that results in POTUS Trump, twice, is broken. A process that even makes that a realistic possibility is broken.

Time to fix it.

Thank you, Marty. That was far more concise than I could have managed. It is indeed a mess (or as Bismarck said: policy/politics is like sausages. It's better not to know how either is made) and the high court has issued an ultimatum to clear/n it up at least partially.
The basic idea is to steer between the Scylla of skewed pure majority vote (as in Britain and the UK) and the Charybdis of pure proportional representation with potentially 2 dozen parties in parliament (as in the Paulskirchenparlament or Weimar).
The compensation for 3 seats directly won was originally an idea of Adenauer to get some barely disguised old Nazis into the first Bundestag because he needed them for his first coalition government. Ironically it would be the renamed ruling party of the late GDR that would profit for a time from that past 1991. One effect of the system is that locally strong parties have a chance (like the CSU and earlier they Bayernpartei in Bavaria or the post-communists in the first years after reunification.
Most attempts to change they system by going into either direction had the pure intent to effectively kill certain parties (the CSU with pure country-wide proportional representation, the (mildly) libertarian FDP and the Green Party with pure direct election of candidates).
It's a mess to get parliament elected and constituted but once it has happened there are few valid claims that it is either not representative or not workable (and the few that do loudly complain are usually those that would like to get rid of the whole representative democracy idea).

MC: "I argue that post the Bill of Rights, we've only made two serious structural changes to the Constitution: the post-Civil War amendments and popular election of Senators."

What, no love for the 12th Amendment?

The really early acknowledgement that the original "electoral college vote for president" was seriously fncked up?

Of course, Bush/Cheney violated the 12th before they even took office, the crooks. The old founding-generation guys should have known better than to put a rule in the Constitution without having an 'enforcement provision'.

Next time, we'll know better. There'll be a
"violation of this clause shall result in immediate summary execution by a dude named 'Thullen'. Don't ask why."

The TikTok mess isn't the first time a president and the government have attempted to prise a business out of foreign ownership.

"The story wasn't completely analogous to the current saga. Unlike the present occupant of the Oval Office, Woodrow Wilson didn't declare that he had the unilateral presidential authority to prohibit a platform for people's speech. Nor did he suggest that the U.S. Treasury should grab a "very substantial portion" of the sale price. And it remains to be seen whether Trump's efforts will have as long-lasting an effect as the Wilson administration's scheme, whose impact reverberated for decades."
How the Government Created RCA: A century before its threats against TikTok, Washington pried a different media company out of foreign hands.

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