by liberal japonicus
I wrote to Josh Marshall, editor of Talking Points Memo (and he immediately wrote back with a gracious response. I should also add that they are keeping all their COVID reporting outside their paywall, but they are hoping to get more subscribers, so you may want to consider it) about this statement here.
[South Korea's] model is one that should be adaptable to the US, at least from a technological and civil liberties perspective.
I disagreed with that a bit and I thought I would post what I wrote so folks could share what their own communities are or aren't doing.
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The reasons [why this isn't adapatable to the US] I would give are as follows
Reason 1- The surveillance society massively greater than the US as is the Korean populace's acceptance of it. I can't believe that people in the US would even begin to tolerate the level of CCTV, card tracking, etc, that is used in Korea and if what does exist were deployed in some sort of makeshift network, the pushback would be immediate. While Koreans (and Japanese) make vague nods to privacy, it is the form rather than the actual substance, so 'face' can be preserved, but the capacity to track individuals down is still retained. That has allowed Korea to do contract tracking in a way that would be impossible in the US
Reason 2- Koreans respect the elderly in a way that doesn't obtain in the US. I think this drives the much greater acceptance of measures that would be scoffed at in the US. My impression has been that the younger generation, despite the disgust with kkondae, the idea of ignoring the pandemic because it doesn't seem to effect young people to any great extent has not gotten any traction, whereas I get that impression from reading a lot of US reportage. A similar dynamic plays out in China and Japan where they discuss how getting older people to stop going out is more difficult than getting young people to follow suggestions.
Reason 3- Group dynamics in Asian societies are quite different from the West. Most foreigners have realized that despite the fact that masks are not effective except in cases of preventing others getting sick, wearing a mask becomes an indicator that you are socially conscious. Korea and Japan don't have people complaining how everyone is fooled and not doing the right things. A mask becomes more like an 'I gave' sticker you get for doing blood donation, and when it is taken up by a majority of the population, it has a much greater effect than if it is simply done by a small minority.
Reason 4- National health The Korean efforts are based on a foundation of a national health system and its absence in the US makes it impossible to scaffold the intiatives that underlie them
Reasons 4 and 5 Geography and public transport South Korea's geography and highly utilized public transport network provides ways to enforce many of the measures that would be impossible in the US.
This is not simply a 'Korea is different from the US' argument. It is that I think the features of Korea set up a situation where the US would have difficulty adapting a lot of the things that were done in Korea, and they would not get the same mileage. This would create a situation where the measures would seemingly fail, encouraging those who insist that the virus is a hoax and driving that portion of the electorate to ignore or circumvent the measures.
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Josh Marshall was (and always is) quite careful in how he states it so this might be one of those 'small differences make big arguments', but I have a hard time seeing the US adopt much of the South Korean model, even if there were acceptance of the fact of a pandemic (which there isn't). Anyway, a newer thread to talk about COVID-19. Happy happy joy joy...
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