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March 06, 2016

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Feminist glaciology is no sillier than trickle-down economics. It is no more intellectual than anti-abortion theology. It just draws less funding.

--TP

I can see Carol and Morgan together, but my guess is that he stays the way he is in terms of not killing.

Of course, they have to get Carol (and Maggie) back from Negan's minions. How do they do that? I'm guessing either (i) swapping out those two for different hostages, or (ii) a raid that while freeing Carol and Maggie results in the death of a couple of Rick's gang, and the capture of at least one. And a very bad ending to him/her/them who is captured.

Well, in all fairness, I've also spent money allocated by Congress for overseas military contingency operations on pizza and beer.

(@wj)

"Surely this is a hoax,"

I just figured it was some kind of grad-school mad libs.

I have to say that I'm really overwhelmed by how many here seem to be, not only aware of but heavily involved with. a TV show that I have never seen. Which I don't even recall noticing ads for. And therefore have no clue about.

Here I used to think that it was only my taste in music that set me apart from popular culture. But now . . . ?

As a white man married to a black woman, even though I don't pay much attention to commercials I do tend to notice the mixed couples. There's one, for a product I don't recall, where a white guy has a bad date with a black woman and it's just a bad date, no racial angle.
I've also noticed more mixed-race couples in shows where the mixed-race status of the couple is just a fact, not a plot point. Maybe the director just like the way those particular actors auditioned.

I've also noticed more mixed-race couples in shows where the mixed-race status of the couple is just a fact, not a plot point.

Yeah, me too. I don't get the point of this discussion. Seems dated to me. I see mixed couples everywhere I go and on TV or in the movies. Can't comment on the zombie show, because I'm not a zombie movie fan, although I plan to make an exception for Pride, Prejudice and Zombies, which was a book before it was a movie and it's a fun read.

I don't get the point of this discussion. Seems dated to me.

Well, it's wandered a bit from where I started. The point wasn't (at least I intended the point to be) how integrated shows have or have not gotten. It was now far behind what is shown in advertising lags behind.

I don't get the point of this discussion. Seems dated to me.

You should talk to the people who thought The Walking Dead put a mixed-race couple together at least partly to make a political statement - people on both sides of the issue, actually (both "Yuck!" and "Yay!").

It seemed to fit very naturally within the plot to me and not at all contrived for the sake of some agenda. Not all the people who said "Yay!" did so because of the political optics, but just because they had wanted the two to get together for some time. The people who were against it expressed either flat-out racist reasons or the sentiment that it was forced "political correctness."

PP&Z is well worth seeing, McT.
Pretty faithful to the spirit of the Austen original in many ways, and very funny indeed. Matt Smith gives the performance of his career to date, stealing the movie in what might easily have been a somewhat thankless role.

"Pride, Prejudice and Zombies"

I'm a Jane austen fight club fan, myself.

It was now far behind what is shown in advertising lags behind.

Ok. Maybe it's just me and my rose-colored glasses, but I see widespread diversity pretty much wherever I go. Except downtown Denver. Pretty white there. Plus you can't get a decent meal.

The people who were against it expressed either flat-out racist reasons or the sentiment that it was forced "political correctness."

Ok, I can see a discussion on that. Like Limbaugh commenting that McNabb would not have gotten the attention he did if he wasn't black. Does anyone engage with those people? What is the point? Their minds won't change and they feed on the attention.

PP&Z is well worth seeing, McT.

Plan to. Have you read the book? Really well done.

Seems dated to me. I see mixed couples everywhere I go and on TV or in the movies.

That's not entirely the point. The point is that you see white man on black woman sex WAY more than you do black man on white woman sex.

I'm sure that Barnes' point is more elaborate than that; I just kind of distilled it down to the basics.

One of the things that Barnes talked about is: so, you have a few movies with black male lead and white woman love interest or potential love interest.

Example:
Hitchcock: black man and white woman were married, but they literally begin dying when they're together very much.

That kind of thing. I am not sure that I understand it or even agree with it 100%, but I have seen Barnes go through all kinds of reader examples and basically dispose of nearly all of the examples of black man/white woman relationships.

It's something I would like very badly not to be true, but it appears to have a certain evidential backing.

The point is that you see white man on black woman sex WAY more than you do black man on white woman sex.

Maybe I need to be more discerning. I honestly don't recall thinking about this one way or the other. If I was going to make generalization, I would say one sees more Asian women with non-Asian men than vice versa, but even then, I'm not even sure about that.

One certainly saw Asian women with non-Asian (specifically white) men far earlier, chronologically, than any other mix. Like decades earlier.

But I would say that even today it is the most usual. As in, compared to their proportions in the total population, or even in absolute numbers.

Putting aside for the moment their quite Zombie-centric attitudes, and their single-minded ideological fixation on the main chance to the detriment of all else, I'd like to put in a good word for the walkers in the "The Walking Dead".

They don't discriminate when it comes to dinner time. The female Zombies gnaw on human flesh right alongside their male co-Zombies, without any preference-mongering bureaucracy to keep them on the up and up, and they'll eat anyone without reference to race, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality.

I haven't detected any age discrimination on the part of the Zombies either, which should be a relief to Marty and me, at the very least, when it comes to being cannibalized.

If the show ever decides to bring in a global warming subplot, I'd half-expect the Zombies to have a little sense and sell their beachfront condos ahead of time and seek higher ground, unlike the humans who seem to be reluctant to sacrifice their former status-quo lives to adapt before it's too late.

I haven't kept up with the show because the plot lines became predictable: just about the time the main human characters were getting on my nerves with their petty interpersonal matters and power struggles every episode, I knew the Zombies were momentarily due to appear at the treeline for lunch to remind everyone what really matters.

Come to think of it, there is another Republican debate tonight, so a Zombie Apocalypse in the few remaining hours before then would be refreshing, if only to save us from the tedium.

Unless of course, they are the Zombie Apocalypse.

"Maybe it's just me and my rose-colored glasses, but I see widespread diversity pretty much wherever I go."

you're obviously not spending enough time in new england.

:(

although, even here, things are inching forward.

Maybe a Trump rally. What little diversity there is gets punched in the face.

you're obviously not spending enough time in new england.

Our son and his wife live in Princeton NJ. I agree. Pretty monochrome. What's up with the northerners? And why all the static about TX? We live in town, which is very diverse, but even in the burbs, there's plenty of variety.

What little diversity there is gets punched in the face.

Check out Breitbart--it appears the Trump operation practices equality of opportunity in the face punching department.

Our son and his wife live in Princeton NJ. I agree. Pretty monochrome. What's up with the northerners?

Head a few miles northwest or southeast. The NYC/NJ/Philly corridor is not the place to be calling out for a lack of diversity, despite what whatever section of the Princeton area you've been in might look like.

Hell, you don't even have to leave Mercer County (as of 2010 census):

The racial makeup of the county was 61.39% (225,011) White, 20.28% (74,318) Black or African American, 0.33% (1,194) Native American, 8.94% (32,752) Asian, 0.08% (295) Pacific Islander, 6.24% (22,856) from other races, and 2.75% (10,087) from two or more races. Hispanics or Latinos of any race were 15.09% (55,318) of the population.

i don't know about Princeton, but i had a GF in New Brunswick (15 mi up the road from Princeton) and i remember it being much more diverse than upstate NY, where i was living at the time. they had kosher pizzerias - no meat! blew my mind.

even Rochester NY had a number of SE Asian and Chinese people because of the colleges. my first college roommate was a guy from India. and he made me my first Indian food, once he was able to get an apartment with a kitchen. chicken vindaloo - still haven't had any as good.

Head a few miles northwest or southeast.

Oh! Scratch that! Northeast or southwest is what I meant (i.e. toward either NYC or Philly, respectively - not that you have go that far in either direction).

Thoughtful piece on the current obsession:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support

Yama, I think Trump's economic populism is slowly being recognized among the punditry as a significant factor in his popularity. Strip away the racism/xenophobia (and the generalized egomania), and you're left with something not terribly far off from what Sanders is saying.

I thought a fair number of columnists had noted the similarities, especially on economic matters, between what Trump and Sanders are saying.

Sanders focuses on the financial system. Whereas Trump, while taking much the same positions, focuses on immigrants (especially, but not exclusively, illegal ones).

What I find interesting is the different reactions of the other candidates in the two parties. Clinton is moving towards Sanders positions on economic issues. While Trump's opponents are talking more about the problem, without actually changing their positions on the issues. Which could have an impact on the general election, should Trump not get the nomination.

and you're left with something not terribly far off from what Sanders is saying.

don't let any Sanders supporters hear you say that. they don't seem to like that very much.

What's up with the northerners?

That's a good question.

And why all the static about TX?

TX is a big place, I imagine there are about 1,834,825 different attitudes about 'other people' in TX. My only issue with TX is (what strikes me as) the extraordinarily high regard they seem to have for themselves.

Hey, maybe it's deserved, I haven't been there. :)

don't let any Sanders supporters hear you say that.

In Sanders' case, economic populism doesn't translate into "let's build a wall".

That's the difference, in essence.

Yeah, I'd say Sanders' populist appeal is more hopeful and inclusive, which is why he's popular with more idealistic younger voters. Trump's is with the fed-up and abandoned-feeling older voters, appealing more to fear and anger.

If there's a silver lining here, it's that the conversation is changing and people are fed up with the BS neoliberal dogma that's been dominating the discourse for decades, despite its failure to deliver the broadly shared prosperity it was promised to.

the BS neoliberal dogma that's been dominating the discourse for decades

Reagan was a neo-liberal? Well, in the terms of today's dabate, I suppose he was. But don't let (most) Republicans hear you say that. ;-)

Don't make me sic bobbyp on you, wj!

My only issue with TX is (what strikes me as) the extraordinarily high regard they seem to have for themselves.

There is some of that, here and there.

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