by Doctor Science
(Obligatory Tom Lehrer reference)
It's that time of year again! Two male cardinals are working out a territory boundary in the back yard, we had windows open all night, daffodils are blooming their bloomin' 'eads off, and I've spent all day in the kitchen:
See that person in the red tunic? That would be me. Fortunately, I don't have to slaughter my own lamb, but I have made Brisket with 36 Cloves of Garlic, Charoset (basic Ashkenazi style, though I used apple pie spice this time because it was right there), chicken broth, vegetables for the soup, and matzo balls (will the matzo balls be "float like a butterfly" this year, or will they "sink like a stone"? we'll see!), and hard-boiled eggs. I've roasted the shank bone and egg, and cut up the potatoes. After I post this, I'll go down and make fresh horseradish -- a pungent experience that will chase the children out of the kitchen (they'll be setting the table).
Our guests will bring poached salmon with dill mayonnaise, asparagus (which we'll roast right before serving), flourless chocolate torte with raspberry puree, and lashings of wine. In one period our oenophilic friend would bring kosher wines for the meal, but he gave up some years ago: it seems more festive to have wines we actually *like*.
In our discussion about who Ken Ham should really debate, swbarnes said:
How can you read the Flood story, Exodus, Numbers, Job, and say "yeah, this is totally a text about Justice and Love"? I'm not talking about isolated verses; the whole premise of the 10 plagues is that God was right to harm and kill innocent people as collective punishment.I didn't have time to reply back then, but I was startled, because an integral part of the Seder is to read the story of the plagues as a tragedy, not an unalloyed triumph:
During the seder, there is an almost universal custom to "spill" a small drop of wine as each plague is recited. (How the wine is removed varies from family to family: some pour the wine out directly from the cup, while some dip a finger in the wine and remove a drop). Why do we do this?It's all in how you read it, and who you read it with: and if you think it can only be read one way, UR DOIN IT RONG. Chag Sameach, all.The Midrash tells us that as the Egyptians were meeting their horrible end in the churning waters of the Sea of Reeds (Red Sea), the angels wished to sing out praise to the Almighty. God rebuked them and said "My creations are drowning in the sea, and you wish to sing praises?!" (Talmud Megillah 10b). The custom of spilling the wine, explained the Abrabanel (a famous medieval Spanish commentator), is because wine is a sign of rejoicing. But one should not rejoice when an enemy falls, because they too are creations of God.
The Midrash tells us that as the Egyptians were meeting their horrible end in the churning waters of the Sea of Reeds (Red Sea), the angels wished to sing out praise to the Almighty. God rebuked them and said "My creations are drowning in the sea, and you wish to sing praises?!"
And Whose fault was that?
Posted by: byomtov | April 14, 2014 at 04:47 PM
Details, details.
Posted by: Ugh | April 14, 2014 at 04:52 PM
Well, obviously Pharaoh's fault. Driving into that deathtrap was his decision. Pure common sense should have told him not to. 'OK, that powerful wizard leading the Hebrews or his God worked quite a miracle here. If he can do this, what could stop him to call off the spell the moment we try to follow him, so we get all drowned? I assume he uses a system with fixed spelltime and no undo magic option. So, forward!!!'.
Posted by: Hartmut | April 14, 2014 at 05:18 PM
More broadly, I don't think you answer swbarnes' comment about the plagues very convincingly.
There is a passage in the Hagadah that more or less recognizes the problem, and offers the thin - to me - rationalization that it's all about asserting divine power. OK, but how is an arbitary assertion of power compatible with justice? What would we think of a court that found a defendant not guilty but sent him to prison anyway, just to demonstrate its authority?
Posted by: byomtov | April 14, 2014 at 05:47 PM
byomtov: "What would we think of a court that found a defendant not guilty but sent him to prison anyway, just to demonstrate its authority?"
Wait, I thought we were talking about religion, not Gitmo.
Posted by: Snarki, child of Loki | April 15, 2014 at 09:13 AM
Actually I think a better parallel might be "civil forfiture" -- where government can sieze your assets on the suspicion that they were gained by criminal activity. And even if you are never charged with such activities, you have to got to court (at your expense) and prove your innocence in order to get them back.
"Guilty (and punished) til proven innocent" -- now a feature of American justice. Another "feature" to the credit of the War on Drugs.
Posted by: wj | April 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM
My Hebrew is absolutely rudimentary, but here's my best shot:
First two lines:
From (at?) the house of our fathers (beit avot)... the house
second lines:
something from the blood (min hadam) ... mezuzah (next to? in place of? as a sign of?)
I'm sure someone can do a better job here.
Posted by: SeeMoreGlass | April 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM
My brother had horseradish growing in his backyard, so the homemade-horseradish thing is old hat to him. But I can almost imagine.
It just might be worse than pressure-canning habaneros, which I urgently advise no one to ever do again.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | April 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM
You wrote a whole article about how the text of Avengers has a LOT of scenes with Black Widow in them, but that lots of people just can't see the text for what it is, but insist on believing it is what they think it is, or should be. You were right. The text of the movie is what it is, and she really is in a lot of scenes, has a lot of dialogue, does impressive action scenes, solves the big problem in the end, and people who say she is barely there are cherry-picking very very badly.
As far as I can tell, that's exactly what you are doing with the text of the bible. The text says what it says (floods, genocide, slavery, etc), it's not critical of these events at all, but you just ignore certain bits that don't fit with what you think the Bible ought to be. Now, you are adding in retcons from outside the text.
And it's not that great a retcon anyway. Rather than God mourning along with the slave girl and the prisoner over the deaths of their sons, God could have not killed them. It's not like the son of the slave girl was guilty of keeping anyone in bondage. It was Pharaoh, who only did it because God hardened his heart. To go back to my question, how is killing the son of the slave girl loving? How is it even fair?
You want to say that Jewish tradition eventually realized the problem, and now strongly condemns the attitude displayed in the text, then fine. But that involves admitting that the attitude in the text is repugnant.
Posted by: swbarnes2 | April 16, 2014 at 04:59 PM
The text about God hardening Pharaoh's heart is one of those things that convinced me, when I was young, that the Bible was a very, very strange book.
Posted by: Matt McIrvin | April 24, 2014 at 12:28 AM
I'm a bit late to the party (a friend just linked me to your Hugos post and I went on an archive binge), but the Hebrew in the Rhylands Haggadah marginalia is composed of fragments of three verses from Exodus - 12:3, 12:7, and 12:8. I suspect it is at least somewhat cropped.
Posted by: Ariela | May 13, 2014 at 01:16 AM