by Doctor Science
This Film Is Not Yet Rated does a great job of exposing many of the deep problems with the movie industry's MPAA ratings, but I think it overlooks a big one. It seems to me that the movie ratings board hands out R and NC-17 ratings based on two general factors: how much they dislike the violence, and how much they like the sex. Just as pornography has been defined as "what turns the Supreme Court on", NC-17 is defined in practice as "what turns the Ratings Board on".
Cut for a major work in the canon of Western art, may be NSFW in parts of the US.
I'm posting about this now because the following quote has been going around on the tumblrs the past week or so:
America treats sex, not violence, as the biggest threat to families and the nation, starting with Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) ratings bestowing action flicks that brutalize half-naked nymphets a PG-13, but anything suggesting female pleasure the deathly NC-17, as happened with the marital cunnilingus scene between Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams in Blue Valentine.Similar points were made last year, when Sucker Punch had to be edited to get a PG-13 rating instead of an R. Emily Browning, who was the lead, said
I had a very tame and mild love scene with Jon Hamm. It was like heavy breathing and making out. It was hardly a sex scene... I think that it's great for this young girl to actually take control of her own sexuality. Well, the MPAA doesn't like that. They don't think a girl should ever be in control of her own sexuality because they're from the Stone Age.In other words, a soft-core love scene got an R rating, but when they cut it to look more like rape they got PG-13.I don't know what the f**k is going on and I will openly criticize it, happily. So essentially, they got [director] Zack [Snyder] to edit the scene and make it look less like she's into it. And Zack said he edited it down to the point where it looked like he was taking advantage of her. That's the only way he could get a PG-13 (rating) and he said, 'I don't want to send that message.' So they cut the scene!
Frankly, this makes no sense. From the movie-maker's POV, where the R rating is hurtful and restricts the audience, they are being punished for showing a more loving, less rapey relationship. I don't actually think that's the MPAA's intention.
I started thinking about the ratings issue from the perspective of a fanfiction reader. As you probably have heard, a majority of fanfic involves romance and/or sex. Most fanfic is read and written by women, and despite the conventional wisdom that women "don't like porn", it's usually the case that, all other things being equal, more sexually-explicit fanfic is the most popular. This has been known ever since the late 90s at latest, when writers started putting hit counters up on their websites and saw that stories labeled "NC-17" consistently got the most hits. Women definitely *do* like porn, as long as it's the kind of porn they like.
In fanfictionland, then, "NC-17" is[1] not at all the kiss of death it is for movies -- on the contrary, it tends to pull readers rather than otherwise. NC-17, MA, Explicit are all marks of the good stuff, not marks of shame. People still like and read plenty of things that are equivalent to G or PG movies, but there is no shred of community disapproval (and plenty of cheers of approval) for extremely sexually explicit material, at least if it's marked clearly enough that Net-Nanny-type programs can keep the kiddies out if their parents think that will work.
What I suspect happened with the scene that was cut from "Sucker Punch" was that it was pretty sexy and arousing. I think there's real good news in the fact that "a woman being turned on by consensual sex" is rated as *extremely* sexy, that it's pretty much the gold standard of sexy.
It should be a cause for general rejoicing that rape (or what in fanficdom we call "dub-con", dubious consent) scenes are experienced as generally *less* arousing than sex scenes with enthusiastic consent. The trouble comes in because ratings aren't just estimates of sexiness, they're -- in practice -- statements about acceptability, about what is appropriate to film.
So enthusiastic consent, because it's sexier, gets a higher rating (and lower acceptability) than rape, because rape can what happens when an enthusiastic-consent scene gets edited to be unsexy. I get the feeling it's some kind of corollary of Gresham's Law, or something, where the unsexy drives out the sexy, until it seems as though it's more acceptable to show rape than happy sex.
In fanfictiondom we have warnings, as well as (or instead of) MPAA-like ratings. At The Archive of Our Own, for instance, there are standard warnings an author can choose for their story:
- Graphic Depictions Of Violence
- Major Character Death
- Rape/Non-Con[sensual sex]
- Underage [sex]
So, I think the split personality of the MPAA ratings, and especially the way they often seem to "approve" of violence more than sex, is at least in part due to them trying to combine the functions of "ratings" and "warnings". They need to recognize that the conflict is producing a fairly disgusting unintended consequence: that rape appears to be "more acceptable" than consensual sex.
The easiest way around this, given the current structure of the ratings system and its place in Hollywood, would be for the raters to make a conscious, explicit agreement to rate less-arousing nonconsensual sex scenes harder than more-arousing consensual sex scenes. To factor *out* how much it turns them on, basically. That means that the raters would have to think about and discuss sex possibly more than they are comfortable with, because it takes conscious work to filter out one's gut feelings.
I don't know if that would do a good enough job, given the massive inconsistencies and illogic in the ratings system. I just looked at FilmRatings.com's Twitter feed, for instance, and the most recent three tweets were:
On what planet are "some language", "brief sexuality, nudity and some language", and "bloody violence, strong sexual content, nudity, language and some drug use" on the same level? If these movies were fanfic at the AO3 they might all be rated "Mature", but "Kiss of the Damned" would also have at least one archive warning, for Graphic Depictions Of Violence, and probably Rape/Non-con, too -- though since movie-makers and reviewers don't take rape seriously, at least by the standards of fandom, I can't clearly tell from reviews how much of an element it is in this movie.
- What Maisie Knew Rated R for some language
- Love Is All You Need Rated R for brief sexuality, nudity and some language.
- Kiss Of The Damned Rated R for bloody violence, strong sexual content, nudity, language and some drug use.
[1] or was -- the MPAA cracked down on us about 5-10 years ago, and said no-one else can use the G/PG/PG-13/R/NC-17 system. Many people (including fanfiction.net) use the fictionrations.com system, which draws its lines slightly differently from MPAA. As The Archive of Our Own becomes more of a default, more people are using their General Audiences/Teen And Up Audiences/Mature/Explicit system -- if you can even call it a system, it's barely a set of guidelines.
"and despite the conventional wisdom that women "don't like porn""
LOL! More like, women like written porn, and don't like to admit it IS porn.
Posted by: Brett Bellmore | May 04, 2013 at 07:19 PM
It's interesting to compare film ratings from a cultural anthropological point of view, e.g. "The Dreamers" (sex, no violence):
US - NC17
UK - 18
Canada - 18
Germany - 16
Italy - 14
France - 12
Posted by: novakant | May 04, 2013 at 07:41 PM
Some more - a pattern emerges, lol ...
"The Dreamlife of Angels" (sex, no violence):
US - NC17
UK - UK18
Italy - 14
Germany - 12
France - U (no restriction)
"Midnight Cowboy" (some violence, sex)
US - NC17
UK - 18
West-Germany - 16
Netherlands - 12
France - 12
"Y tu mamá también" (no violence, sex)
US - NC17
UK - 18
Germany - 16
Spain - 13
France - 12
Netherlands -12
Posted by: novakant | May 04, 2013 at 08:00 PM
Clearly words have power. One fascinating "feature" of the ratings system that my director pointed out to me one time:
- if, for example, you have your characters say "f*ck" a total of 4 or fewer times in the course of the film, you can get a PG-13 rating.
- But if the characters say the same work a 5th time, the rating changes to R.
Can someone explain how a word is acceptably used 4 times, but not becomes unacceptable if used a 5th?
What it looks like to me is that, when the ratings system was being created, they started with a bunch of films, and decided what category each one should be in. And then went back and analyzed the films to come up with what the appropriate parameters are. In short, it was very much an "I know it when I see it" basis for coming up with metrics.
Posted by: wj | May 04, 2013 at 08:05 PM
And here is a detailed description of how the Weinstein Brothers butchered "Malena" (NSFW):
http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=835
Posted by: novakant | May 04, 2013 at 08:22 PM
The rating system over here is almost as absurd in reality. A major problem is, that ratings rarely get revised. So movies that are by today's standards completely harmless but landed on the index or got an >18 rating in the past still keep that while other, newer, films get far lower ratings (rarely exceeding the '16 or over') that a few years earler would have never reached the silver screen. And ratings seem often very arbitrary, i.e. very similiar movies can get very different ratings. Movie critics in some cases give their own age recommendations. The latest discussion I remember was about the Harry Potter movies. 'Chamber of Secrets' had some cuts to keep a '6 or above' (the uncut DVDs have a 12) but the cuts made no sense (i.e. they left some of the most frightening stuff in while cutting tame stuff in other places). On the other hand the labyrinth in 'Goblet of Fire' would imo have justified a 16 but it got a 12 (no cuts).
Iirc the original 'Nosferatu' had an 18 rating when I was a kid and now has iirc a 16. I doubt one could scare a 6 year old with it these days.
And don't have me start about the topic of nudies like the infamous 'Report' series's. The ratings today are HIGHER than they were when they were made with the reasoning that youngsters could 'get severely disturbed' but it is not about the highly questionable morals (it's always the fault of those sexually rapacious girls) but about the alleged deviancy.
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I consider writing a post on movie canons for schools and the problems with that (which would include the ratings topic).
Emphasis would be on cultural context though.
Posted by: Hartmut | May 04, 2013 at 09:19 PM
Midnight Cowboy is not rated NC-17, nor has it ever been. It was originally given an R rating, which was revised upwards to an X just prior to release in 1969, due to concerns over the portrayal of homosexuality in the film. Upon re-release in 1971 after winning Best Picture, it was revised back down to an R, which rating it retains to this day.
Posted by: Phil | May 04, 2013 at 09:23 PM
Hi, Phil!
Posted by: hairshirthedonist | May 04, 2013 at 09:34 PM
I haven't seen any of the Report-films personally, but in a book on the history of the Finnish movie censorship, it was mentioned that while they received "18" rating in the 1970's, the possession of these films is criminal at the moment, as some of the actors are minors.
Nakedness, if not in sexual context, does not give you any rating at all. "The English Patient", which features full frontal nudity but only in the bathing scene with little sexual tension present, got a "12" rating, but this was most likely to the non-explicit sex scenes and violence.
On the other hand, in Finland, the easiest ways to get a high rating for a film are drugs, horror and violence. Sex gets you a "18" rating only if it is the main topic of the movie. You can get a "16" rating even with an explicit sex scene if the scene is part of the plot. On the other hand, showing the use of hard drugs (cocaine, LSD, heroine, amphetamine etc.) without showing negative effects to the user gets you almost automatic "18" rating and even minors consuming alcohol earns an automatic "12" rating.
Posted by: Lurker | May 05, 2013 at 06:14 AM
At least in the Schoolgirl Reports (the most notorious that started the whole wave) there are no real minors, although the 21-25 year old women (few of them actual actresses, most were shop assistants and waitresses*) pretend to be and got dubbed for that purpose. Pure Dawson casting. But in some countries this pretense has become illegal now (i.e. the impression of underage sex is the thing, not the actual age of the performers).
*a few hours before the camera in a nudie got them more than a month of regular work, although they got hired because they were much cheaper than 'professionals'.
Posted by: Hartmut | May 05, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Hartmut, Lurker, other non-USans:
Do your countries' movie-ratings systems have the paradoxical effect the MPAAs do, of giving rape or dub-con a lower rating than consensual sex? At what degree of explicitness does rape cross over into adults-only territory?
Posted by: Doctor Science | May 05, 2013 at 02:32 PM
I think it primarily depends on the degree of explicitness. Also p0rn is in a category of its own. Most movie rapes I am aware of in mainstream movies are primarily depicted as violence not sex, i.e. the part that is shown is the man forcing the woman offscreen with obvious intent. So, if a rape scene influences the rating it is through its violent nature. The acceptance of the depiction of sex has changed very much from zero tolerance in the post-war period (with very detailed rules about what can be said and shown dependent on the relationship of characters) to a laissez-faire in the early 70ies (if certain conditions were met) to an (imo) rather inconsistent system today. Ironically, the rules for p0rn are much stricter and get far more enforced (basic rule: if a sex scene in an imported p0rn movie is not 'motivated', a motivation has to be added via dubbing or the film gets no rating*). In general I would say violence is seen as far more problematic than sex/nudity. But distributors tend to preempt the rating boards by cutting scenes in advance for the German market (that's one reason why I usually import from the UK in cases of doubt). But this is also a highly inconsistent process. Often one gets the impression that the cuts were made for length not content (seems to hit Asian movies more often on average but I could be wrong there).
What worked, I think, as a bit of a game-changer over here is the new practice of putting films in two different versions on the market. A cut version usually gets a 16, the uncut one a simple 18 (not the equivalent of unrated as descibed below). So the willingness to self-censor leads to a certain lenience for the undiluted stuff.
*which automatically means that it is >18, cannot be publicly displayed or advertised. It is not forbidden though. One can buy or rent it, if one somehow gets the info that it exists. This applies to all rating-less films independent of content btw.
Posted by: Hartmut | May 05, 2013 at 03:24 PM
In Finland, the current system of audiovisual ratings is based on authority-certified and -trained raters working for TV channels, DVD importers and movie studios. The authority only inspects a film if citizens complain about a rating to the authority. (Trial by moral panic.) If the rating is clearly incorrect, the rater can be criminally prosecuted and sentenced up to four years in prison. (Earlier, the authority inspected all non-"18"-rated films and games but this resulted in importers rating all DVD boxes to "18". I remember seeing "Matlock" DVD box with an "18" rating, which made no sense at all.)
Since the inception of the system, 23 films have been re-rated by the authority. 12 have got a higher rating, and one film a lower one. The lates James Bond movie "Skyfall" got a rating of "12" instead of "16" that the importer's rater had used. (The original citizen complaints had probably demanded "18" and criminal prosecution of the rater.) The reason: violence is not detailed, except in a single scene and the shallowness and emotional coldness of the characters makes the horror elements quite mild.
On the other hand, a TV re-run of the "Watership Down" resulted in "12" re-classification instead of "S" (All audiences) used by the rater of our national broadcaster. The horror and violence elements were too heavy, even in animated context.
But to your original question: here rape is "18", unless it is motivated by the plot, and non-explicitly depicted. Then it can get "16". But any depiction of sexual violence is always at least "16". Insinuation of sexual violence is rated "12".
For sex, soft core porn without any plot motivation is "16". A single sex scene with open nakedness can get a "12", if it has plot motivation, and teen sex comedies in the line of "American Pie" and "Sex and the City" (no explicit sex scenes but the whole movie is about sex insinuations) have an explicit authority rule of their own that guides to "12" classification. "Game of Thrones" has a rating "16" for all episodes.
Posted by: Lurker | May 06, 2013 at 04:29 AM
Hartmut, Lurker:
Thank you so much for your info!
As you can see, one of the largest (and most hypocritical) issues for the MPAA is "language". e.g.
In practice, this means that movies that faithfully reproduce how many teenagers talk are not considered suitable for teenagers.Does this sort of nonsense also take place in other countries?
Posted by: Doctor Science | May 06, 2013 at 06:56 AM
On average profanity has a low impact and there are no fixed rules. In a few cases of excessive profanity a 6 got replaced by a 12. One has to consider though that in German profanity tends to be far more scatological than sexual. The equivalent to the f-word is 'Scheiße' ('shit', the strong sibilants account for a lot of the appeal, I presume). So 'dirty' words are probably seen as less problematic because they don't have to automatically go into the sexual realm. This may be just my innocent upbringing but I also get the impression that the level of (hard) profanity in real world talk is significantly lower in German than in English (not for lack of options, there are enough swear words available).
Btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiwillige_Selbstkontrolle_der_Filmwirtschaft>here is a link to the legal basis for German movie ratings.
Posted by: Hartmut | May 06, 2013 at 07:34 AM
In Finland, swearing or other bad language is not considered when rating. I think that if there is an excessive amount of swearing, the overall athmosphere of the movie might include "horror" (or perhaps "anguish" is better translation) elements that rate a program to "7".
Unlike in German, Finnish swearwords are of sexual nature (the most important being vittu, "c***") but they are quite routinely used without really any sexual insinuation. In fact, according to a relatively recent study, vittu has in practical speech a grammatical function similar to the English "not": Se vittu täällä ole. "He isn't, lo!, here."
note: this got caught up in the spam folder as well, probably because of the c word.
Posted by: Lurker | May 06, 2013 at 11:11 AM
Dr. Sci: As you can see, one of the largest (and most hypocritical) issues for the MPAA is "language"
I was thinking about this in relation to the coverage of the bombings in Boston. Was watching CNN (I believe) and they were showing video of the bombing. It was perfectly fine to show the explosions itself, complete with the screams and horror of the people in the area, and later blood in the streets, but the expletives needed to be bleeped out.
It's just so maddeningly stupid, even if rational from CNN's cost/benefit analysis.
Posted by: Ugh | May 06, 2013 at 12:12 PM
This is a really generous interpretation of the ridiculousness of women's pleasure being treated as particularly "explicit" and "inappropriate". I like it because it makes me slightly more optimistic to think that the raters think of such scenes as more "sexy" rather than more "unacceptable".
However I think there definitely has to be a strong strand of women's pleasure as being more unusual, more surprising and not just more sexy. Male pleasure and women's bodies are considered everyday because they are everyday in our society while female pleasure and male bodies (in sexy shots) are "stranger" and more eye catching because we so little of it in our society.
Posted by: Arachna | May 06, 2013 at 05:29 PM
In Finland, swearing or other bad language is not considered when rating. I think that if there is an excessive amount of swearing, the overall athmosphere of the movie might include "horror" (or perhaps "anguish" is better translation) elements that rate a program to "7".
Unlike in German, Finnish swearwords are of sexual nature (the most important being vittu, "c***") but they are quite routinely used without really any sexual insinuation. In fact, according to a relatively recent study, vittu has in practical speech a grammatical function similar to the English "not": Se vittu täällä ole. "He isn't, lo!, here."
note: this comment is from Lurker and got caught up in the spam folder as well, probably because of the c word.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | May 06, 2013 at 07:14 PM
And now I see it appeared. Sorry for the repetition of Finnish swearwords...
Posted by: liberal japonicus | May 06, 2013 at 07:16 PM
The worst things about the MPAA rating system is that
A) they are not accountable.
B) they have no objective standards.
C) they are more lenient with big studio
films than small budget indies.
The sad thing is that newspapers that carry ads for strip joints, won't list NC-17 movies, and as a result large theater chains won't book them.
Posted by: jake the snake | May 07, 2013 at 12:33 PM
I just wish when movies go to dvd that they would put out a PG version for those of us who don't want to sit through two hours of foul language or gratuitous sex. I love that I can pull out my Cary Grant movies or my Greer Garson movies and know that I won't have to explain to a child why he/she should not use that language or what two naked adults may be doing.
Posted by: Lydia | May 13, 2013 at 06:19 PM