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June 09, 2010

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Even though I'm a liberal weenie that believes in constitutional and treaty protections, I get revenge fantasies.

Cheney on the rack...
Bush waterboarded...
Woo in the iron maiden...

Since apparently none of them are going to be penalized by any legitimate US court...

(Although it would be beyond delicious if one of them forgot their position vis a vis the European courts and some Spanish or Dutch judge had him arrested. Yummy!)

Which, it seems, should be considered as the primary motivation for Obama's repeated unwillingness to "look back" and investigate Bush era war crimes and other malfeasance: in doing so, the Obama administration would likely be building the case for its own prosecution.

ObamaCo could stop continuing the policies, if it wanted to, without getting into investigations and prosecutions of BushCo. but it doesn't want to. and i think the reason it doesn't want to stop is because simple: if an attack occurred and Obama had canceled a program that maybe could have been able to get some kind of info from someone even tangentially related to the attack, the blame for failing to stop the attack would be Obama's forever - at least in popular mythology, and in the minds of voters, and definitely in the minds of his opponents. OBots would forever protest, sure; but nobody would believe them.

the pressure to prevent an attack far outweighs the pressure to conform to the law.

we are not strong enough for a law-based system of government. we demand that our presidents wield the power of tyrants - so long as the power is directed away from us, individually.

Well, efgoldman, the trouble is that President Obama might be the one arrested on a trip abroad, at this point.

By that time, however, we may have a Republican Congress and their howling minions in the media and blogosphere who will demand, not that the President of the United States be returned or we'll bomb them into the Stone Age, but rather that Barack Hussein Obama be extradicted back to the United States so he can tried and hung by the Republican Party for much larger crimes, to witless: fixing the problem of pre-existing conditions in healthcare insurance, saying "ass" on television, ending Jim Crow in Macon, Georgia, conducting the Census for the purpose of placing dumbasses in concentration camps (but with good libraries, which will go unused, maybe I wouldn't be amazed), raising taxes, and governing while moderately swarthy, especially the moderate part.

...raising taxes...

Actually, cutting taxes for something like 95% of us, if we must be factual.

Well, the "raising taxes" bit came from a poll conducted among the dumbasses in the concentration camps, who really require maximum security, forced labor and solitary, and no access to pollsters, if we're going to do this right.


cleek: we are not strong enough for a law-based system of government. we demand that our presidents wield the power of tyrants - so long as the power is directed away from us, individually.

Do it to Julia!

Nell, excactly!

Huh. True story, pre-9/11 the CIA actually seemed to think that the law applied to them (in this particular case, FISA), after 9/11, not so much it seems (so long as they had a memo from the DOJ).

Of course, the right-wing nuts will claim this report shows how careful and circumscribed the CIA's torture program was. Would a real torturer perform double-blind experiements across a scientifically random sample of ghost detainees? I don't think so! I mean, they substitued saline for real water in the new and improved saline-boarding-enhanced-interrogation-for-really-bad-people-only-(so we say)-technique (and can it really even be called "enhanced" interrogation if saline is used? sounds like plain old interrogation to me).

The CIA: Fncking Up Since Just After WWII

Obama should have to return his Nobel Peace prize.

As is consistent with the emergent pattern, the Obama administration is apparently perpetuating Bush era crimes and civil liberties abuses

The CW explanation for this seems to be that Obama is just following popular sentiment, which is surely true. Ah, leadership.

You can kinda understand why people vote for Republicans of the modern sort: what the latter say and do are appalling, but at least they often mean what they say. Democrats in the Obama/Clinton mold, OTOH, tend to be glorified confidence men. Nice choice!

The CIA: Fncking Up Since Just After WWII

Really? I thought it was "Assassinating Castro Since 1961."

James Jesus Angleton! that made me laugh, Hogan!

*Facepalm*

Goddamint, what happened to our country? When did it become completely dominated by petty little cowards and sociopaths?

When did it become completely dominated by petty little cowards and sociopaths?

After the Presidential election in 1968, though the process started just after WWII. Process was completed around noon on 9/11/01.

I used to think they were beating the living crap out of Zubaydah to get him to cough up fake evidence that Saddam was behind 9/11.

Turns out they just wanted to try sh*t out on him to see what would happen.

This has become one chickensh*t country.

Of course, the right-wing nuts will claim this report shows how careful and circumscribed the CIA's torture program was.

Actually what right wingers will say is that this proves that torture is so indispensably necessary that even a "hard left" lunatic like Obama recognizes it.

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