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August 20, 2009

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As Juan Cole notes, General Odierno has repeatedly stated his desire (and expectation) that US troops should remain in Iraq well past the SOFA deadline. Odierno is also pushing for new deployments of forces near cities in Iraq's north, around the Kurdish flash points.

General Odierno should be fired fortwith.

I've got a better idea though: let's push for an accelerated timetable for withdrawal ourselves.

Who do we have to push this with? Couldn't Obama just order withdrawal tomorrow and that would be that? In fact, why the fnck doesn't he just do that already.

Or do you mean we americans push our own gov't?

I'm somewhat sanguine about an Iraq under Iran's "sphere of influence", since -- for everything else that's been made worse off because of our pointless invasion -- having these two nations getting along is a big improvement on the power struggles of Saddam and Khomeini.

Plus, Iran can be worked with -- even given its authoritarian government, and especially given its domestic political dynamic.

I'm somewhat sanguine about an Iraq under Iran's "sphere of influence"

You know, I don't mind it so much either. I just find the irony remarkable considering the neocons' goals and obsession with Iran.

Couldn't Obama just order withdrawal tomorrow and that would be that?

Yes, he could. But it would take several months after that announcement from a logistical perspective. And I think under the SOFA, we're supposed to give a 12 month heads up, but that's not binding.

In fact, why the fnck doesn't he just do that already.

Good question. My guess is, a lot of noise from the military and the "strategic class" that finds such a value in us sticking around. Problem is, Maliki is hip to that, and is using that trump to his advantage.

Or do you mean we americans push our own gov't?

I think that's a good idea.

My guess is, a lot of noise from the military

this I don't get, the military wants to stick around in Iraq? Why? What for? I would have thought after more than six (!) years they'd be the one pounding on the table to get out.

" I just find the irony remarkable considering the neocons' goals and obsession with Iran."

That* could fill a book; or at least a number of funny montages.

Ugh: the military likes to be doing stuff. That is, the MICC. That's how they get paid. Doing stuff, chewing up material, replenishing same. And military leaders love forward bases.

Also, losing sucks. The day that the last US forces leave Iraq will be seen by many as the day the US is defeated.

The day that the last US forces leave Iraq will be seen by many as the day the US is defeated.

That ship done sailed, circa March 20, 2003.

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