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May 19, 2009

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What a wonderful find, Hilzoy.

Thanks for this - you made my day.

Wow. Individuals taking personal responsibility for improving things and not relying on the government to solve things. And it works! What a concept.

"Wow. Individuals taking personal responsibility for improving things and not relying on the government to solve things. And it works! What a concept."

You know, this is so predictable that it borders on the tedious.

It's great that middle class kids in Pakistan are taking the initiative to pick up the trash. They need to do so because they live under a corrupt, failed, crappy government.

In some places, governments aren't corrupt, failed, or quite so crappy. In those places, people can trust their government to pick up the trash.

And in fact in those kinds of places it's not some nameless, faceless entity out there somewhere called "the government" that does these things. It's people who live in your community, that you vote for, and that you might even know personally, who figure out what the requirements are for picking up the trash, and who figure out if it makes sense for your community to do this for itself or to hire an outside firm, and who put the bids out for outside firms, and who hire the companies and oversee their work.

And depending on where you live, the folks in your community might decide to not hire anyone at all. They might decide to just load up the pickup on Saturday morning and take their own stuff to the dump. They might decide to just let folks burn it out behind the barn.

It's basically their choice, within certain common sense limits, like if you live in Manhattan, having everyone burn their trash out on the front stoop is probably not a good idea.

Isn't that great? It's kind of like people taking responsibility for themselves THROUGH THE AGENCY OF THEIR GOVERNMENT!!

What a splendid idea!!

So let's all be happy that we live in a place where our government is not so freaking corrupt, failed, and crappy that we have to rely on school kids to pick up the damned garbage.

In fact, let's see if we can keep it that way. Let's not vote for people who think that government sucks, or is inherently corrupt, failed, or crappy. Because if we do, that's the kind of government we'll get.

It is amusing to watch russell try to demonstrate the point by engaging in some intellectual trash hauling himself. Bonus points. Alas, I fear he will have to labor for many centuries in order to make a dent in the trash heap that dave so assiduously generates.

Its great to hear some good news from Pakistan. Its one data point against an ocean of bad news, but it is one point.
Thanks hilzoy.

Thank you hilzoy for this. It was the first thing I read this morning and started the sday off right.

When I read it, however, I was wondering how long it would take for Dave to spout some sort of inanity. Didn't take long.

Government succeeds WHEN individuals take personal responsibility for improving things and don't rely on the government to solve things. Government fails when it suppresses individual responsibility and seeks to make them reliant on the government.

It is tedious to have to continually point this out.

"Pakistan is a wonderful country, with some of the kindest and most hospitable people I've ever met. Moreover, unlike a lot of very poor countries, it has enormous reservoirs of talented and decent people with good educations and professional training."

Having lived and studied in Pakistan, I'll offer my own, wholehearted support for the quote above. Sabrina Tavernise, who wrote the excerpted article, wrote another good one published May 2 in the "Week in Review" ("Pakistan: Struggling to See a Country of Shards"). When so much one reads about Pakistan concerns only nukes, the "Pakistani Taliban," civil unrest, etc., the Tavernise articles and whatever one finds about the lawyers movement (a very effective, relatively peaceful civil disobedience campaign) add some much needed perspective to any understanding of Pakistan.

Dave, I have to admit, you had me fooled all this time. I didn't realize that you were a big Obama fan, but based on that last statement I presume you are.

Government succeeds WHEN individuals take personal responsibility for improving things and don't rely on the government to solve things.

That's right lets all go pick up trash so government can focus on the important work of protecting and coddling the rich and powerful. Don't forget to pay your taxes, the banks are hurting, don't ya know.

I'm sorry, but russell wins the intartrons today.

Government succeeds WHEN individuals take personal responsibility for improving things and don't rely on the government to solve things.

Government is one of the tools which responsible individuals use to solve problems.

Honestly, claiming that government only gets in the way is a bit like claiming that we could all build wonderful houses if only we'd foreswear hammers.

I would hope that even 3dDave has the understanding that indeed it is the role of government to provide for the basic security and safety of the people it governs.

We all shouldn't have grenades and rocket lauchers in our garages just in case of the invading masses. No, we depend on our government to protect via an army to protect us.

Similarly, should we all just start a landfill in our backyards?

I always thought that the idea of our representative government was that we elect officials who will create and maintain the government to provide safety and security in our own interest. The problem is that these representatives end up creating government for the benefit of only a few, the wealthy and powerful.

Pakistan like Egypt has a six day work week (Saturday thru Thursday) with Friday being "Prayer Day". Sunday is just another work day as I remember it. Just noticing, maybe my memory has failed or they have changed.

Everyone loves the idea of the people of a community coming together to take personal responsibility for the provision of public services.

The existence of a vibrant democracy depends on there being a public space where people from all walks of life come together as equals, to work together towards a common end.

These guys are community organizers. They're building a constituency around a problem, and bringing people together into an effective unit in order to address that problem.

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