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November 03, 2008

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The one big upside to a John Kerry victory would have been two nominations to the Supreme Court, making it 6-3 liberal rather than 5-4 conservative. Hell, I bet Stevens and Ginsberg would have also retired, so we'd have 6 relatively young liberals/moderates on the court versus 3 aging conservatives.

That said, with Kerry in power I don't think we would have seen the tsunami that changed the Congressional makeup. Perhaps an Obama victory in 08 is better than a Kerry victory in 04, but I would strongly argue that a Gore victory in 00 would have been better than either simply because so many of the disasters of the last eight years would have been avoided.

Agreed on Gore.

How about the response to Katrina, arguably the only unavoidable disaster of the last eight years? FEMA probably would have still been a mess only 8 months after transition but the overall response (not to mention the perception thereof) probably would have been better.

This is an argument that makes sense in hindsight. I agree that the shape of the last four years says that we are better off with Kerry having lost.

At the same time, I think that it is an argument that is never valid ahead of time. We are better off for having lost the White House, because almost everything that could go wrong did, and it went just about as badly as it could have. Losing is only an advantage if that's the case, and making strategy based upon the worst case scenario isn't any better an approach, in most cases, than blindly going with the best case scenario.

We still chose Bush-- knowing the full scope of his atrocities. That damage to my esteem of the American people is substantial, and outweighs a large number of realpolitik concerns.

The loss has certainly been better for the power of the Democratic Party (aside from the Supreme Court appointments). For the country, it's another four years of crap built up that we will have to dig out from under, a task which would have been much cheaper if it had started four years earlier.

Nope. I want all the dead people to still be alive. Plus, as mentioned, the courts.

"Perhaps an Obama victory in 08 is better than a Kerry victory in 04, but I would strongly argue that a Gore victory in 00 would have been better than either simply because so many of the disasters of the last eight years would have been avoided."

Personally, I think it all went wrong when Bobby Kennedy was unable to defeat Richard Nixon in 1968, but I've always been fond of the classics.

Of course, James Buchanan should have lost, too.

I think the Kerry loss was extraordinarily fortunate for the Democratic party, allowing the Republican party to experience one of the most dramatic self-inflicted political collapses of the past century. Without a radical reformation, demographics point to at least 20 years of exile, the bitter but well earned fruit of the last 8 years of lawlessness.

Nevertheless, the Kerry loss was ultimately devastating for America. The corrosive poison of the Bush administration had four extra years to spread and corrode the very fabric of American society. America is a hollowed out shell of the nation she once was, constitutionally, economically, morally, and socially brittle. On nearly every possible front, our nation stands at the precipice of collapse.

Obama appears to be the most talented politician of his generation. There is no better candidate to lead this nation out of the morass and back to her roots. But the cost, the price of creating this perfect moment for Obama, has been far too high.

And should McCain win. It's over.

Without question, the failure in 2004 enabled bigger successes in 2006 and presumably 2008.

But that is a pretty low bar for deciding that the catastrophe of four more years of Bush was worth it. It seems to be some weird form of Democratic weirdness in weighing pros and cons. It should never be OK to lose.

Since 2002 I argued that when Americans finally got a full, undiluted, unchallenged dose of Reaganism across all 3 branches of government, the conservatives would run out of their promises of paradise and Americans would be left realizing that they actually hated all of it.

Had Reagan had the control of Congress that Bush Jr. had, this might have happened earlier, because the Democrats managed to dilute his awfulness. Not so with Bush Jr.

I certainly think that Democratic party politicians are in a stronger position now than they would have been if Kerry won. But I'm not a Democratic politician so I don't care.

As has been said above, there are a lot of dead people and a lot more domestic catastrophes to dig out of that would not have happened if Kerry won.

Further, 2004 was really a referendum on the state of America's soul. Are we a country that thinks it's ok to randomly invade non-threatening countries or not? Are we a country that allows our government to torture people without punishment and repudiation or not? Do we believe in opportunity for all, or not?

We answered wrong. We sold off a piece of our soul in 2004, and we aren't going to get it back.

I'd like to still have that bit of my national soul, and would gladly trade an Obama presidency for it.

I certainly think that Democratic party politicians are in a stronger position now than they would have been if Kerry won. But I'm not a Democratic politician so I don't care.

As has been said above, there are a lot of dead people and a lot more domestic catastrophes to dig out of that would not have happened if Kerry won.

Further, 2004 was really a referendum on the state of America's soul. Are we a country that thinks it's ok to randomly invade non-threatening countries or not? Are we a country that allows our government to torture people without punishment and repudiation or not? Do we believe in opportunity for all, or not?

We answered wrong. We sold off a piece of our soul in 2004, and we aren't going to get it back.

I'd like to still have that bit of my national soul, and would gladly trade an Obama presidency for it.

It's pretty simple:

Do you want to look good in the history books or do you want actual political power to affect change? If you want the latter, you grab and hold on to power whenever the opportunity presents itself, no matter what the circumstances.

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