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August 10, 2008

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the WaPo is wholly in da bag for His Bold And Tangy Goodness, John, St BBQ, McCain.

The last thing I saw was the McCain plan was $3 Trillion worse than Obama's, so thanks for the update. Although I'm not sure what's changed.........

Five year foreign aid budgets doubled and tripled by Congress. We're on our next five years. It's entitlements for health care etc. in Africa. The debt.

Not strange at all if your goal is to make sure the race stays close, and I think it's pretty clear from the tone of the news coverage so far that that's exactly what big media is after--a tight, ratings-bumping race.

Not to mention the rather gruesome use of 'balloon' as a transitive verb. Yuck!

I repeat what I proposed in the 'Liar' thread:

Somebody with web skills I do not possess ought to create a simple calculator that people can use to compare their tax savings to the increase in their family's share of the national debt.

Comparing the Bush record on that metric to the corresponding numbers projected under McCain or Obama would be easy enough.

But it's important to do these calculations on a per-capita, or per-family basis. Nobody has a gut feel for what 'trillion' means. And it's important to include both sides of the ledger. GOPers keep telling you "it's your money" but never mention that it's your debt, too.

-- TP

Hilzoy is "Puzzled".

She finds out Obama is not the man she thought he was.

Her reaction? Puzzlement. Puzzlement that such an article can even be written. Puzzement that it is Obama and not McCain who is the subject of a news article challenging the candidates budget numbers. How can this be, she wonders?

Generously, perhaps a little curiousity is the first step in overcoming the self imposed indoctrination so evident among the Obamabots.

Good luck. Puzzlement is as good a catalyst as any to start you on the road to freedom from the cult and a return to clear thinking.

Good luck. Puzzlement is as good a catalyst as any to start you on the road to freedom from the cult and a return to clear thinking.

ken,

One of the definining characteristics of neocons right now is that they have this wierd proclivity for using language that is very Trotskyite/Maoist in tone (see example highlighted above). It is a sort of unconcious verbal tick which gives them away even when they attempt to disguise themselves as something they are not (like concerning trolling Democrats).

I'll say this slowly so you can follow along (watch my lips if you need to):

Y O U
A R E
N O T
F O O L I N G
A N Y B O D Y
W I T H
Y O U R
P H O N Y
D E M O C R A T
A C T

Since there isn't much to say about the article, other than 'how odd', I'll use this thread to say instead: if every member of the Chinese women's gymnastics team has had her thirteenth birthday, I will personally eat my hat.

Also, having seen both of the Olympics ads in context, I have to say: McCain's seems like a serious mistake to me. The Olympics is all upbeat and heartwarming, except for moments of athletic drama and so forth. (Also, except for thoughts not suggested by the coverage, like 'what are those twelve year olds doing there?') All the ads are upbeat and heartwarming. The sheer negativity of the McCain ad, in this context, was startling. Not in a good way.

if every member of the Chinese women's gymnastics team has had her thirteenth birthday, I will personally eat my hat.

and i, mine.

"Five year foreign aid budgets doubled and tripled by Congress. We're on our next five years. It's entitlements for health care etc. in Africa."

Nonsense.

U.S. foreign aid is tiny compared to that of most countries, and is a tiny proportion of the annual budget, at a mere 21 billion, 197 million dollars in 2007, much of which is mandated to be spent on purchasing U.S. assets. You're talking utter and complete lying nonsense.

More data from 2004. More info. Current info FY 2008.

Fact Sheet
Office of the Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance

[...]

Africa-with this year's requested 54% increase, aid to Africa will have nearly quadrupled under this Administration, from $1.1 billion to $4.4 billion, focused on addressing the crippling effects of disease and poverty.

Needless to say, this is pennyante spending in the U.S. budget, which in 2007 was $2.73 trillion dollars. (Cite in next comment.)

U.S. Budget. Numbers.

There's a video explanation of who is behind the headline at:
http://revver.com/video/1099858/washington-post-bulloney-headline-about-obama-vs-mccain/

So basically the article says that if Obama doesn't eliminate the tax cuts, which he intends to, his spending would increase the deficit. Well, duh. What's the point of the article, exactly?

"Obama Tax Plan Would Balloon Budget Deficit, Analysis Finds" ... well, duh? First of all, other than basic tautology, the headline implies that Obama, like in he, himself, actually has a tax plan. Given his tendency to reveal he has essentially no clue regarding anything of the sort, and that he is probably less qualified for any public office than, say, Dan Quale, it's hard to surmise why you'd have any difficulty with the headline.

How about: "The sky is blue" or "Oranges are round"

On second thought, I shouldn't be surprised. Politics and blogmanship as usual.

Carry on.

and that he is probably less qualified for any public office than, say, Dan Quale

What a pathetic right wing troll - he can't even spell the name of his own party's former Vice President correctly.

That would be Dan Quayle.

the only qualifications for President are:

1. at least 35 years old
2. is a natural-born US citizen
3. 14 years of residency
4. has not already served 2 terms as President

one of the candidates meets all these criteria. one doesn't.

Both candidates meet all 4 basic criteria, cleek. "Natural-born citizen" means - according to all legal understanding - a person whose citizenship was conferred at birth, who never had to be naturalized.

Obama is a natural-born US citizen, because he was born in the US, and because his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth (and his father was in the US legally).

McCain is a natural-born US citizen because both his parents were US citizens. (He would also have been a natural-born US citizen if only one of his parents was a US citizen, as they were married at the time of his birth.)

That all previous US Presidents have happened to be born inside the US (well, sort of, in the case of Presidents born before 1779) isn't terribly surprising: the US is kind of insular, US citizens don't tend to travel much - and the total pool of people to whom this apples is fewer than a hundred, even if you include in all Vice Presidents.

However, I'm all in favor of racist assholes wasting time poring over Hawaiian birth certificates trying to find some "evidence" that Obama was born somewhere else... and if posts about John McCain being a foreigner encourage them to further waste their time, go for it. ;-)

if every member of the Chinese women's gymnastics team has had her thirteenth birthday, I will personally eat my hat

They do look a little young, don't they? I was guessing twelve for younger ones, and the one that's supposedly 20 and a veteran of the Athens Olympics I guess is probably 16. That way she would have been "16" back in 2004.

BTW, if anyone missed the battle between France and US 4x100m free relay teams, that one is going into the history books. Unbelievable finish.

ThatLeftTurnInABQ,
Some definitions of troll depend on an absence of involvement in the sides of the discussion, so if that is the case, bbm as participated here before, he might be ineligible. After reading his previous comments, I am sure you will give him the attention that he deserves...

And I'm famus for my spell'n.

And I'm famus for my spell'n.

I'm sure you know how to spell potatoe.

What a waste it is to lose one's mind.

McCain is a natural-born US citizen because both his parents were US citizens. (He would also have been a natural-born US citizen if only one of his parents was a US citizen, as they were married at the time of his birth.)

it's not quite that simple in the US - unless you're talking about people born after 1986. before then, a whole bunch of other things matter: when you were born; where you were born; where your parents lived, and for how long, at the time of your birth, etc..

but yes, the professor in the article i linked is trying to make a silly point.

if every member of the Chinese women's gymnastics team has had her thirteenth birthday, I will personally eat my hat

As someone in daily contact with a 12-year-old girl and her peers, I recommend having some good BBQ sauce on standby. A group of random 12-13-y.o. girls will have an *incredible* range of sizes and apparent ages, and this is not a random group -- selection and competition will have filtered out girls who are 5' 10" and past puberty in 6th grade.

I certainly wouldn't put it past the Chinese to use hormones to artificially delay puberty in these girls, but I don't think they necessarily have to, either. If I were a Party sports administrator, I'd make sure to focus gymnastics training only on girls whose mothers & grandmothers were late developers, and limit their fat intake to postpone menarche till 16-18.

Dr. Science: it's not just the near-absence of e.g. breasts, and stuff like that. It's that the whole conformation of their bodies was like girls, not adolescents. Things like: head size relative to body.

It was eerie.

bbm,
How about: "The sky is blue" or "Oranges are round"

My personal favorite: "blogbudsman is not adding to the conversation".

ken,
She finds out Obama is not the man she thought he was.
When your unhinged hatred of Obama progresses to the point that you reliably misinterpret posts for Obama as posts against- well, it's a sad day. For you. For us, there is the fond hope that part of your recovery program will involve turning off your internets.

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