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August 29, 2008

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"I wonder who turned the gig down?"

Colin Powell. Both sides.

Ack. Forgot. Experience is also relevant. CEOs with prior experience with growing companies get more lattitude to play with. Though, as usual, performance and talent trumps all.

But that goes for both sides in this political question...

Seems to me she'll be a liability rather than a strength on the energy issue just because her husband's in the oil business, whatever the merits, that doesn't play well.

I'm not worried about Joe Biden looking bad in the debate against her because Joe Biden (unlike John McCain) is not a misogynistic douche and is perfectly capable of have a tough but professional argument with a woman.

But the real danger here is the unknown, and precedent is not good. Running in a largely-republican state of 700k or so is a world of difference than running on the big stage. Nobody but Barack Obama (who already came from a much larger stage) has managed that jump up so adroitly, and he has the best-run campaign in history. McCain's campaign, in contrast, is a shambles. The potential for her to be a disaster on the stump is huge.

Luckily the Dems (apparently unlike the Republicans) have an abundance of heavy-hitting women to fight back.

I think this wrecks the Rep convention, because instead a smooth operation, it's now going to be dominated by discussion of whether this was a wise or a desperate choice. Think of the pressure on her first speech.

OT- When did the Volokh Conspiracy turn into Freeperville?

Ugh: Prediction: Palin goes the way of Harriet Miers and becomes the first person to dropoff the ticket after the convention since...well I'm sure someone has, but not recently.

That would be since Thomas Eagleton, in 1972.

Not Dan Quayle. Clarence Thomas.

but impersonating God strikes me as deeply revolting.

There's a lot of Christian poetry that would therefore strike you as deeply revolting. Not your tradition, and not necessarily mine (a lot of said poetry is decidedly low brow and sappy, but well-intentioned). However, trying to understand the mind and will of God is an injunction from the scriptures. I look at writing in the "voice" of God as exactly that. Nothing revolting about it. It's just an expression of faith.

And I'm sure if you looked you'd find a lot of traditional Christian Hymns that have parts that are in the "voice" of god.

LJ: lol.

cleek: Obama, on the other hand, was the executive of a campaign that just beat the best the Dems have to offer, including the dreaded Clinton Dynasty.

Point taken. I'm close to conceding the point, but it's hard to say who the better "campaigner" was when there were unique issues to this nomination. But, no doubt running this campaign counts as experience.

Further, in many ways, Alaska is the easiest state to run.

With today's high oil prices, you'd think that would be the case and it's certainly easier. But she showed she is a fiscal conservative cutting budgets anyway.

Heh. Somebody dredged this comment up from a right-wing blog:

Are you aware of the fact that Sarah Palin-Chavez proposed and pushed through the largest socialistic tax increase in the history of the world? It’s a 400% increase on the state’s #1 taxpayer that funds roughly 90% of the state’s budget. (See ACES)
Speaking of budgets… do you know that she increased the fy09 operating budget by 23%?
And what do you think of her left-wing socialist energy rebate debit card for $100.00 and utility reductions for every Alaskan resident? And people wonder why she has high approval ratings… ha! If you can’t figure that out, you’ve never been to Alaska were people love free money from the government!!!

I would have thought McCain had the Ice Road Truckers vote in the bag. Guess he does now.

Way to undermine the job your employers did over the last four days, jerk.

Since Wolfson is now drawing a paycheck from Fox News, I suspect his current employer is quite happy and would like more of the same.

Which John McCain made this choice?

The one who spent five years as a POW?

Or the one who doesn't speak for the campaign?

Here is a blog post that provides a perspective of how a reluctant (i.e. anyone but a Democrat) Conservative supporter of McCain views Palin. The June 8th entry is pretty detailed about all her conservative "pluses".

From Dave Noon, Alaska resident at LG&M:

Sarah Palin is profoundly, staggeringly ignorant about foreign policy. It's impossible overstate this.

This might go down well with the Republican 'base' in the sense of the values crowd, but I am certain that much of the party establishment and especially the national security crowd is aghast. Many of the people we've loved to hate over the past eight years will actually be looking at Obama-Biden right now and secretly hoping they win.

Hee hee, now I am actually hoping for a foreign policy crisis in the next two months - Obama-Biden OWNS this issue now. Incredible.

If McCain wanted to make an outside-the-box move, maybe Meg Whitman would have been the way to go . . .

To those who acknowledged that Biden must be careful of the potential minefield in debating a woman, let's remember he debated Clinton numerous times . . .

Does anyone know how the right is receiving this pick?

"Most executive experience than Obama and Biden combined" is clearly on the talking points issued this morning, and Instapundit must have been an early recipient. How many times will we hear that exact phrase (conveniently omitting "and McCain") this weekend and beyond?

For the first time in my life, I'm looking forward to Maureen Dowd's next column...

Nobody but Barack Obama...who already came from a much larger stage) has managed that jump up so adroitly

Bill Clinton?

Hee hee, now I am actually hoping for a foreign policy crisis in the next two months - Obama-Biden OWNS this issue now.

Maybe this was lost in the shuffle, but Putin was accusing the US of various skullduggery (the interview is here) I got the strong impression that the accusation was aimed at undercutting the Republicans. Can you imagine Palin visiting Putin?

Sebastian wrote:

Why I don't like affirmative action.

Example #39,385 Sarah Palin.

Skipping over Hutchinson, Dole, Snowe, Whitman, Fiorino makes this the Republican version of AA, which is not really affirmative action at all.

Skipping over Hutchinson, Dole, Snowe, Whitman, Fiorino makes this the Republican version of AA, which is not really affirmative action at all.

Exactly. It's what Republicans THINK is affirmative action, and not how it more often plays out.

This warms my heart:

“No one knows anything about her,” complained one GOP strategist, who spoke on the condition that he not be identified. “I don’t know anyone who has even met her.”
...
“I don’t know much about her,” Texas Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison told CNN this morning. “I don't know Sarah Palin."

Her son seems to be named Track, not Trick, so the concern about silly names was clearly unwarranted.

bc, you had me worried until you trotted out Alaska "shares a border with Russia" line. That is some damn weak tea. It's way too early to tell how this will work out. The reason I think this could be savvy is the average American will get her story from the MSM who loves her kind of story. I expect to hear a lot of fawning coverage over the coming weeks.

Does anyone know how the right is receiving this pick?

Most of what I have seen so far is very positive. It seems that more than a few had hoped for this for some time. I’d say it has given new hope to a lot of folks, and jazzed up many who had given up. “Re-energized” is the short version I think.

There is some hesitation, mostly on the experience angle and losing that club to use on Obama.

I’ve been reading here and elsewhere the last couple of hours about how this move showed desperation, but after reading up on her a bit and listening to her speak I’m beginning to wonder if this wasn’t actually a political master stroke. I suspect that everyone talking desperation and “Hail Mary” may be in for a rude awakening. It’s still way early and I’m just getting over the initial surprise, but so far she seems to me to be very impressive. Even if everything her detractors say is true this has given new life to the McCain campaign and gives them a chance to seize momentum, at least for a while. Worst case I think this could be real trouble for Obama.


KCinDC: Instapundit said, “I'd like it if she had more executive experience, but to be fair, she's got more than anyone else on either ticket” – clearly including McCain.

Maybe McCain picked Palin as a second or third choice, but I personally doubt it. He picked her because his whole campaign this year is about winning, not governing. He's not applying for a job, he's grasping for a prize. The choice of Palin fits that pattern: never mind her capabilities, just look at what she symbolizes.

Womanhood? Check -- just look at her 5 kids! Potential problem: do contemporary American women really identify with a mother of five?

Conservatism? Check -- NRA, pro-life. Potential problem: do American women really value their right to own guns over their right to choose on abortion?

Outsider cred? Check -- I mean, Alaska fer chrissakes. Potential problem: if that's all it took, your local PTA chairman could be Vice-President.

Drilling advocate? Check -- that's what her husband does for a living, apparently. Potential problem: Alaskans get royalties for the oil drilled in Alaska; if Floridians, Louisianans, Texans, and Californians start demanding the same deal, the oil companies won't like it.

Empty symbolism has fooled the country before. McCain thinks it will again. We shall see.

--TP

Frank Capra made this movie. With Gary Cooper and Barbara Stanwick; or Fred McMurray and Ginger Rogers; or Ray Milland and who?.... And didn't James Gleason play the angel?.... Edward Albert was the political fixer. .....Walter Brennan was the hobo philosopher.

Just to be a jerk about it, it seems to me that she's ripe for ratf*cking.

Why is a mother of five, with her youngest both disabled and still an infant, abandoning her family? What kind of traditional family values does that demonstrate?

Isn't Alaska sort of like Hawaii -- weird, foreign (it's closer to Russia than to Washington!), noncontiguous? What will Cokie say?

Any, Phoebe: "Myers-unqualified." Very nice.

Are the people concerned about the existential threats of Islamofascism and the Russian Empire really ready to accept that Sarah Palin is ready to step up on a moment's notice as commander in chief? This pick has got to be demoralizing for that crowd.

OCSteve,

I just don't see it, but you would know better than I.

It took a whole primary season with me being comfortable with Obama, and I am a dyed-in-the-wool Dem. I feel like I know the guy now.

Introducing an unknown this late in the game just seems odd and makes me wonder what McCain is up to. I don't want a seat-of-his-pants Commander in Chief.


After watching her speech, she strikes me as a compelling individual who holds policies out of favour this election and who seems kinda out of her depth. A woman was always my main concern, but I'm sure the Obama campaign has wargamed for that. More importantly, the main thrust of the argument against McCain that they presented this week still very much holds, even more so: "Terribly nice guy, but he just doesn't get it". They'll have to push back in a hard but intelligent fashion on the gender issue, but the Obama campaign's strategy is still very valid.

The McCain strategy, on the other hand, is a very dangerous area at the moment. Their inexperience/national security argument is way up in the air, and they are now basically trying to appropriate Obama's campaign. That's a tall order, especially with a likable but entirely untested VP.

OCSteve, you say it's beginning to look like "a political master stroke" - but that's the point of a hail mary. It looks like genius if it works, but it has a high probability of failing, and failing badly. The risk is that if she has a major gaffe in the next few weeks, it's hard to see them recovering.

I'm sure you'll find lots of enthused republican voters posting on blogs, but the party hierarchy and the national security crowd must be pouring themselves a stiff drink right now.

I strongly smell the work of Mike Murphy here, but it's late in the day for them to start listening to him. The McCain strategy henceforth is all about personality with the background chanting of "drilling".

The other problem for McCain is that republicans simply haven't won by being positive for a long time - and the primary gave him now preparation for this. The Democrats, on the other hand, by the nature of their primary are now practiced at running a respectful campaign while being sharply critical of your opponent on substantive issues.

Of course it might work, but it's 100% hail mary.

Introducing an unknown this late in the game just seems odd and makes me wonder what McCain is up to. I don't want a seat-of-his-pants Commander in Chief.

Yup, look for 'maverick' to be replaced by 'reckless' as often as possible.

Apparently Palin appeals to conservative evangelicals--

Link

It's fiendish, I tell you, fiendish! Their plan is that the entire left blogosphere will spend the rest of the campaign distracted by obscure Monty Python references.

If you click on the link I provided, be sure to click on the comments and read all of them. I don't know how representative this is--I no longer hang out much with conservative evangelicals and just started looking online, but maybe McCain is energizing his base with this pick.

A scene from The Princess Vice President

[Palin kisses the senile McCain]

McCain: What was that for?

Palin: Because you have always been so kind to me, and I won't be seeing you again since I'm killing myself once we reach the honeymoon suite.

McCain: Won't that be nice. She kissed me, she's the vice president!

TLTiABQ: Wolfson is now drawing a paycheck from Fox News

Ah. That explains that. Thanks, TLT.

Seems to me the WaPo blog writer should have described him as "Fox News commentator Howard Wolfson." But the fact that s/he didn't is just exactly why Fox hired Wolfson.

She has a fondness for naming her children after Alaskan features. Given her policies she perhaps should have named a son Derrick?

As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"

maybe there's a VP for Dummies book she could read?

It's a pandering pick for which the negatives outweigh the positives. Perhaps she can perform with incredible spunk and charisma, and overcome that, but I seriously seriously doubt it.

As for negatives, she emphasizes the issue of McCain's health and age, and also his judgment in making a risky pick. She eliminates the issue of experience for McCain.

She brings with her huge baggage in the trooper scandal, which is part of why I don't see any possibility that she can take the stage and win over the crowd. Anyone that petty and mean (and dishonest) just does not have what it takes.

For those not up to speed, Palin's sister is in a nasty divorce/custody fight with her ex (Wooten), who was an Alaskan state trooper. He was fired, and Palin now admits that her aides were pressuring the trooper's boss to fire Wooten. The boss would not do the dirty deed, so Palin fired him (allegedly for reasons that contradicted her recent praise for his performance -- oops). The boss alleges that Palin on several occasions spoke with him directly about firing Wooten. Initially, Palin denied any involvement by her or her office in any effort to fire Wooten, but once an investigation started, admitted that her aides were pressuring Wooten's boss to fire him. She was forced to make this admission since the state trooper's office had recorded the phone calls from the aide inquiring about Wooten being fired (someone obviously forgot that all calls to the trooper's office are recorded). But allegedly Palin did not know the aide was doing this!

Who believes that lie? What possible reason would the governor's aides have to call about firing the sister-in-law of the governor from his state trooper job.

This is a simple scandal, obviously true, that is complicated by the further lying and dishonesty by Palin in covering it up. It will hang over her during the 9 weeks before the election, and taint everything she does. Plus it is a window into who she is -- petty, mean and dishonest. Not someone I expect to light up the campaign trail.

Why is a mother of five, with her youngest both disabled and still an infant, abandoning her family? What kind of traditional family values does that demonstrate?

You’re way behind. CNN was first out the gate with that a while ago.


Funniest comments seen so far:

VPILF (all over)

“How many millions is SNL going to offer Tina Fey to come back to the show?” (ace)

"Walter Brennan was the hobo philosopher."

I loved that guy.

When I heard the names of her children, I felt reminded that Donald Ducks's nephews in Germany are known as Tick, Trick & Track.
Maybe it is all a canard ;-)

wanna watch the GOP research in action: Google Trends, last 30 days on "Sarah Palin":

top 4 origins for searches:

1. Alaska
2. DC
3. Arizona
4. Maryland

big spike at the beginning of this month, then a long lull, followed by a spike on the 19th, another on the 23rd, then through the roof on the 27th.

OT - our wonderful war in Iraq produces...:

In the first major oil deal Iraq has made with a foreign country since 2003, the Iraqi government and the China National Petroleum Corporation have signed a contract in Beijing that could be worth up to $3 billion, Iraqi officials said Thursday.

Via, who has the best take:

Years ago I wish I'd thought to chant "no blood for oil for China," but I must admit, that did not occur to me.

Troopergate -- Dems should be all over this.

What about the ballyhooed vetting process?

Introducing an unknown this late in the game just seems odd and makes me wonder what McCain is up to. I don't want a seat-of-his-pants Commander in Chief.

Putting aside for a moment the electoral optics of the pick, this is starting to piss me off, the more I think about it.

How can anyone say with a straight face that she is the 2nd best qualified person to be the President and CiC, out of the entire Republican Party?

Can anyone make a serious argument that, putting electoral politics aside, Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, or any of at least two dozen other GOP governors and Senators are not more qualified than a 1 term Governor with no federal experience at all?

I may not like any of those people very much in terms of their politics, but even as a partisan Dem, however much I might not like the policies which they would pursue, I do recognize that some of them have enough experience to actually have a plausible shot at being able to run the country ( if something happens to McCain while he is in office).

But Gov. Palin? How big is her staff in the Alaska statehouse? What experience does she have running a large, complex enterprise, one that is even within 2 orders of magnitude of the size and complexity of the Executive Branch of the US Govt? Say what you like about Obama’s limited experience, but he has been running a Presidential campaign of unprecedented length and geographic scope, which has large staffing requirements and other organizational burdens, and has carried it off well enough to win against a heavy favorite.

What has Gov. Palin done which is even remotely comparable? Surely the GOP cannot be so utterly lacking in talent that she is literally the 2nd best person in that party, to lead this country? The contrast with Obama’s choice of Biden is very telling.

What this says to me unmistakably is that John McCain doesn’t give a damn about actually governing the country – that he is the one who is putting politics before country!

I have nothing personal against Gov. Palin, but speaking as an American citizen who has to live with the consequences of this choice if McCain wins and does not finish his term, I feel extremely insulted that he has made this pick on purely electoral grounds. It is said that picking a VP is the 1st major decision a potential President makes by which we may judge them by in that role. One candidate made that decision carefully and with the gravity that it requires, and the other treated it like a game. One of these candidates is serious about the responsibilities which come with the office, and the other is not.

big spike at the beginning of this month, then a long lull, followed by a spike on the 19th, another on the 23rd, then through the roof on the 27th.

Hmmm, right after Hilary's great plea for unity. Oh, I'm totally convinced the McCain campaign picked Palin on her merits and not out of some desperate and condescending analysis of gender politics.

I think OCSteve probably has a point - although I wouldn't call choosing her a 'masterstroke'. She is indeed going to appeal to right evangelicals, and probably to the big swath of 'independent' voters who know nothing about anything substantive and think life and government are a teevee show, and like the way she comes off on the tube. There's also the fact that lots of dems will underestimate - sorry, misunderestimate - her. That latter is really something to watch out for. Than could boomerang. She might prove to be a good campaigner, something the campaign doesn't have now.

But she's also just a weak choice on so many grounds, already mentioned.

i'm sure a lot of Dems will underestimatate her. but after last night, i don't think Obama will be one of them.

Agreed, if they're anything, the Obama people are professional and disciplined.

dmbeaster,

One more detail to add to your detailed description of Troopergate. Palin said that Wooten was fired in order to move the Alaskan State Police in a different direction. Her replacement for Wooten, the former Kenai Police Chief, has since resigned as head of the ASP due to charges of sexual harassment in his previous post. So much for a different direction.

Palin is bait, pure and simple. The only purpose of this pick is to pile up on the distractions and divisions in the electorate, especially among Democrats. DON'T take the bait.* The Obama campaign has to attack, attack, attack on McCain and ignore Palin almost entirely. Attack her and they might look like jerks and get the PUMAs riled up and all seven of them will be on all the networks simultaneously from now till November. She doesn't merit attention, it's a weak pick from a desperate campaign. The Obama campaign has run a perfect rope-a-dope strategy so far and I'm sure they will just judo this distraction into the ground like all the others.

* I have to note the nice symmetry of a former fisherwoman becoming the bait.

"Can anyone make a serious argument that, putting electoral politics aside, Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, or any of at least two dozen other GOP governors and Senators are not more qualified than a 1 term Governor with no federal experience at all?"

Romney. Jeb Bush. Even Huckabee. Hutchinson. Guliani?

I wonder why Charlie Crist never seemed to gain traction. Seems like an attractive choice and would guarantee Florida.


she even says nucular.

I wonder why Charlie Crist never seemed to gain traction. Seems like an attractive choice and would guarantee Florida.

I'm sure somebody else will answer that one.

Romney and Huckabee seemed to really want the job -- imagine how they feel.

btfb -- are you serious asking about Crist? Dude's gayer than disco. (Doesn't bother me, but I doubt the base would line up for that.)

Not sure where I saw it, but some close to Romney and Pawlenty are saying they're feeling hurt at being lied to by the McCain campaign. Not good.

Troopergate -- Dems should be all over this.

Actually, they should ignore it. The brother in law was really bad news -- abusive, threatened the lives of the entire family, tasered his son.

The only way they should bring it up is to point out the philosophical difference: Biden wrote and passed a law to protect all women from domestic violence and Palin thinks only sisters of governors should be protected.

just saw a comparison if Palin to Laura Roslin (Pres on BSG). LMOA ROFL DIAF

maybe McCain thinks he'll be her Adama ?

Also posted in the mile high thread

Let me channel Jesurgislac for a moment:
When the Son of Cain is declared winner of the election despite all exit polls saying that Obama led with 10% or so, there will be need for an "Explanation". My guess is that the "explanation" could well be those elusive "better the son of Cain than a Democrat not being Hillary" that got pulled over to tSoC because he chose a female VP (don't look at that Diebold and his merry purgers behind the curtain!).
---
I think there could also be number of people that would stay home because they despise tSoC and could not swallow the idea of a [b word] becoming POTUS, should tSoC buy the farm. Those could easily balance out those Hillary-or-nothing Dinos.

back to the Crist angle, he's well-enough known to be gay (although not publicly "out") and apparently was interested enough in the VP slot that back in May, Roger Stone (GOP dirty trickster) came forward claiming to have a security tape (?) of Crist and a "girlfriend" making out in an elevator.

More http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/28/report-crist-circulating_n_103856.html>here, but you can just google "crist elevator tape" for a variety of sources.

Cleek, be serious. Everyone knows McCain is Saul Tigh.

TIGH-ROSLIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!! That's awesome. I hope somebody is already making buttons and bumper stickers.

If any BSG spoilers appear in this thread about season four, I'm going to be very upset.

"btfb -- are you serious asking about Crist? Dude's gayer than disco. (Doesn't bother me, but I doubt the base would line up for that.)"

Well.

There was an incident in college that -- I didn't realize until it became uncomfortable -- this theater manager in Pittsburgh was hitting on me. I figured I was getting into those matinees for free that I skipped class for because I was a poor, likable college kid.

Twenty-some years later, I still haven't developed gaydar.

Prediction: Palin goes the way of Harriet Miers and becomes the first person to dropoff the ticket after the convention since...well I'm sure someone has, but not recently.

I think Eagleton '72, pointed out by Gary above, is the only example. Nixon almost had to step down the first time he ran, but his little dog saved him:

http://blogs.discovery.com/news_animal/images/2008/06/02/nixons_dog_checkers_2.jpg

If any BSG spoilers appear in this thread about season four, I'm going to be very upset.

i'd abandon this thread, if i were you. there's a lot of potential for spoilers here...

Apparently Palin appeals to conservative evangelicals

As much as I would have been delighted if McCain had selected Romney or Lieberman I figured that that was the number one must-have criteria for his VP pick. I expected a Southern, Christian, establishment conservative who would appeal to both the Pat Robertson and Grover Norquist crowds but if there were someone like that out there who wanted to run this year they'd be at the top of the ticket. I think the fact that he had to look this far down the list in terms of qualifications shows what Republicans think of their chances this year. No one with a serious portfolio and ambitions for the future wants to get the loser stink on them.

As far as courting the PUMA crowd, sure he'll peel off some votes but it makes me wonder who's been rat-f'ing who. Have these last months been a massive plot to lure McCain into doing this?

i'd abandon this thread, if i were you. there's a lot of potential for spoilers here...

Gah!

just saw a comparison if Palin to Laura Roslin (Pres on BSG).

And here I was thinking "First the Penguin, now Catwoman."

Took me a moment to figure out "BSG" -- are there any Losties among us?

btfb -- It's probably an inheritable trait like the ability to wiggle one's ears. :)

A number of prominent elected/appointed Republican officials are "out" only within Washington circles (e.g. Lindsay Graham, Denny Hastert). The D.C. press corps protects them, unless a scandal becomes public. I'm not sure how I feel about this, given their hypocrisy on the issues.

OT-
A number of prominent elected/appointed Republican officials are "out" only within Washington circles (e.g. Lindsay Graham, Denny Hastert).

Crist is a gimme. Lindsey Graham is tougher, but yeah, not too hard to pick up on. But Hastert?! You need nuclear powered super-duper gaydar to figure that out, and I'm just not up to the task.

I'll take your word for it, though, because I'm afraid to google "Hastert + gay".

All this is important, but we're not looking at the institution of vice president (the "fourth branch"), with its newly established/yet to be challenged powers: its seclusion from oversight (much less correction). Is Sarah to be the new Dick--with all that unexamined, newly created privilge?

>>i'm sure a lot of Dems will underestimatate her.

Thanks a lot, Bush. Now NONE of us can say that word right.

I'll take your word for it, though, because I'm afraid to google "Hastert + gay".

Apparently it was being strongly rumored at the time it came out that Mark Foley had been sexually harassing Congressional pages for years, while - at best - senior Republicans looked the other way and put their hands over their ears.

Apparently the gaydar-ping went off for some people when it cane out that; Denny Hastert lives with Scott Palmer, his chief of staff, and Mike Stokke, his deputy chief of staff; Scott Palmer isn't married; Denny Hastert is, but his wife never stays in the Hastert-Palmer-Stokke house when she visits Washington.

Hartmut - You channelled me and I never noticed. ;-)

btfb,

Lostie eh? How about McCain = Claire?

Noun, verb, POW = Noun, verb, MYBAYBEEY!

Eventually you reach a point where you pull your hair out and scream "ENOUGH ALREADY!!!"

ManilaRaf,

I must admit -- McCain as Claire loses me.

I definitely see Barack as Jack.

Maybe Bill as Ben, Hillary as Juliet. I'll go with McCain as Locke.

"Lost" simply amazes me in the way it creates one riddle to solve another and, unlike so much popular entertainment, constantly leaves you guessing. And, as the season finale showed, it outdoes major motion pictures on a regular basis.

Manilaraf:

And her excuse for hiring someone reprimanded for sexual harassment? Palin said she knew about the incident, but did not know about a letter of official reprimand being issued concerning the incident. Seems she vetted the issue about as well as she was vetted by McCain.

She seems to have mastered the Sgt. Schultz defense for politcal scandal.

are there any Losties among us?

Not since the "mini-start" of Season 3. I was annoyed by Season 2, the "mini-start" pissed me right off.

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"Lost" simply amazes me in the way it creates one riddle to solve another

It annoyed by by its refusal to answer much of anything, and when it did, the answer was either trivial or contradicted a previous fact.
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Noun, verb, MYBAYBEEY!

I wonder if that will be Palin's "go-to" if asked a hard question (ie "attacked"): MYBAYBEEY has Downs!

"Walter Brennan was the hobo philosopher."

I loved that guy.

You're all helots.

It would be one thing if it were just clueless commenters on the internets suggesting that living in relative propinquity to Russia gives you foreign policy experience. It's another when the pundits start doing it on TV.

Jeff: "It annoyed by by its refusal to answer much of anything, and when it did, the answer was either trivial or contradicted a previous fact."

That was one of the reasons I gave up on the "X-Files" during the last couple seasons of its run. So far, "Lost" has kept me hooked -- and Evangline Lilly in a T-Shirt every week doesn't hurt, either.

Haha McCain is so awesome. I thought that Romney would be the worst possible choice he could make, but McCain proved everyone wrong. He picked someone that is going to be even worse for his campaign. His campaign will be toast in less than a month.

"Lost" simply amazes me in the way it creates one riddle to solve another

That's why I didn't start watching it. The problem with riddles is that, for most shows, the writers don't know the answers either and are just making things up as they go along. That happened with "X-Files" and "24", it's one reason "Battlestar Galactica" is going downhill in its final seasons.

"the writers don't know the answers either"

That was clearly the case with the X-Files and, as someone who began with the show when it was a blip on the mainstream, I was quite disappointed.

The Lost writers have promised they've had this whole thing mapped out all along. We'll see. What's promising is they've set an end date -- just two more seasons -- whereas FOX milked "X" until it had no life.

On Larry King, Carville was doing pretty well talking about McCain's mistake in choosing Palin, until he walked into a sexism accusation (complete with appeal to PUMAs) from the Palin defender by being too dismissive. Criticizing her is going to be a little tricky.

Back to Palin --

Boy, did that whole scene look odd today.

Having finally seen it on TV, I thought McCain looked uncomfortable.

I guess we have to cut Palin some slack but she does a whole lot of finger-wagging when giving a speech. Looks like your mother scolding you.

Then again, why should we cut Palin slack?

This woman could be a heartbeat away from the presidency, the leader of the free world (assuming they still call the president that).

Why shouldn't she undergo the same scrutiny Barack Obama went through?

You have to love that John McCain, always putting country first.

"Criticizing her is going to be a little tricky."

Indeed.

That's why you pretty much stick to the experience angle.

That's it.

Hit 'em hard on the very thing they've hit you hard with, as Obama did so successfully throughout his speech last night.

(Thanks for the update, KC. I was going to tune into King but the family is down here watching "Son of the Mask" -- I didn't even like "The Mask" -- but my boy is yukking it up.)

>>Apparently the gaydar-ping went off for some people when it cane out that; Denny Hastert lives with Scott Palmer, his chief of staff, and Mike Stokke, his deputy chief of staff; Scott Palmer isn't married; Denny Hastert is, but his wife never stays in the Hastert-Palmer-Stokke house when she visits Washington.

Lawrence O'Donnell -- I'm sure hilzoy remembers him -- wrote a HuffPo piece about this during the Foley thing that so completely walked the line between saying "Hastert is gay" and saying nothing of the kind that it drove me nuts.

As long as I'm wallowing in immaturity: It speaks well of the blogosphere that I have not as yet heard any jokes about Palin and drilling. (It speaks far less well of me that I thought of this.) But is it possible that Rovians are trying some subliminable ploy, hoping that the sight of a former beauty contest winner and the repeated uttering of the word "drilling" will hypnotically win votes from the Penthouse Letters crowd?

I thought that Romney would be the worst possible choice he could make

I'm a little biased (a few Mormon friends), but I thought Romney would be a decent pick. Yeah, he's a flip-flopper in a bad way, but his economics are pretty mainstream Republican and he's probably a social conservative at heart. He has governing experience (of a state where people actually live) and seems like a decent guy (passes the "I'd have a beer with him" test, although it should probably be "I'd go to his BBQs").

Unfortunately those weirdo Mormons believe evil, satanic things that authentic (/snark) Christians don't, but I'm not sure that the crazy people are that big a deal.

I think Pawlenty was the worst choice I thought feasible. Crappy governor, pretty unpopular, and from a state that I don't think McCain has a shot at anyways. Oh. And the whole bridge thing.

Palin really does seem to be the absolute worst choice possible, unless McCain looks up David Duke or Montgomery Burns. She brings absolutely nothing to the table and her liabilities take McCain's only card (experience) off the table.

Like Obama said last night, McCain just doesn't get it. Women aren't dumb enough to vote against their interests just because they share a chromosome with the VP. This was an incredibly condescending and insulting pick that costs wayyyyyy more votes than it could ever hope to gain.

She seems like a nice woman, and I'm not really sure she knows what she's getting into. I almost feel bad for the embarassment she's going to suffer. Almost.

Bedtime, he was trying to make the experience argument, but got into something about how "my daughter has more foreign policy experience than she does" that allowed the McCain surrogate to pounce on the dismissiveness.

Crist was on afterward and he used the phrase "with a servant's heart" in talking about how grateful he was to be governor of Florida. Palin earlier today said "we are expected to govern with integrity, and goodwill, and clear convictions, and a servant's heart." I'm assuming this is some sort of dog whistle to evangelicals.

"Criticizing her is going to be a little tricky." Indeed. That's why you pretty much stick to the experience angle. That's it.

I don't know if I saw it here at ObWi or at Balloon Juice, but someone gave the advice to kinda just ignore here. If she screws up, great. If not, we don't look like we're picking on her.

I don't know if its even worth it to hit the experience issue (officially). http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/McCain_camp_pushes_back_More_qualified_than_Obama.html>Ben Smith has McCain's comeback at attacks on that front. Yeah, its incredibly weak, and yeah, by their definition she has more experience than McCain himself. But they seem so giddy in the comments that I figure we shouldn't give them what they want.

MeDrewNotYou, I agree that the Democrats shouldn't attack on experience. The significance of the Palin pick is that McCain and his people can no longer use the experience argument against Obama without being laughed at. And media people can certainly press them about his sudden shift on the importance of experience, and laugh about the "more executive experience" and "next to Russia" stretches.

I'm assuming this is some sort of dog whistle to evangelicals.

Yeah, probably. But I don't think they'd be voting for a closet atheist Muslim false messiah anyways. And I just can't see a GOTV effort on them being much of a game changer anyways.

I'd like to make a joke about how many servant's hearts there are in McCain's 7 mansions, but I figure he's suffered enough today. Besides, it'd only be funny with a Stephen King reference and I got nothin'. ^.^;

KCinDC, the first google hit.

And:

[...] This principle is taken from Matthew 23:11-12, which reads:

* 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
* 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

This preacher says:
[...] If we exalt ourselves, God will bring us down. Self-promotion is not God’s way to accomplish His will. He demands a servant’s heart of His leaders.

[...]

Biblical humility is the opposite of selfishness; it is selflessness. It is not a hatred of self or an embarrassment of self. In fact, it is a removing of self from conscious thought. It is a life so lost in pleasing God that there is no time and no need to please self. Pleasing God brings full satisfaction. Humility is not a heightened sense of self and a hatred of that self. It is a losing of self in God and in others. God is all and in all.

This is the servant’s heart. This is the disciple’s calling.

Etc.

As long as I'm wallowing in immaturity: It speaks well of the blogosphere that I have not as yet heard any jokes about Palin and drilling.

I haven't seen anything explicitly using the "drilling", but I've definitely seen a number of people using the term VPILF. I can't see any meaning for that except as a take off on MILF. And that seems to be most common among "conservatives" who like her. I guess the people using the term think expressing a desire to commit adultery is now a conservative value.

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