by Eric Martin
As I have been arguing for months, despite Bush administration spin to the contrary, the recent anti-Sadrist military operations in Iraq (Basra, Sadr City, Amarah) have had more to do with weakening the Sadrist movement politically, than with a general anti-militia policy implemented by Prime Minister Maliki. After all, Maliki has not unleashed the Iraqi Security Forces on any other militia - Shiite, Kurd or Sunni (including, obviously, those of his allies).
Not only is the Maliki government (backed by US forces) singling out Sadr's militia out of many, but Maliki & Co. have been targeting non-militia members of the political wing as well. Nowhere has this been more obvious than in the siege in Amarah, where the pretext for military action was weakest. Unlike Sadr City, Amarah has not been used as a base to launch attacks on the Green Zone government. Unlike Basra, there is little strife between rival militias creating instability.
In fact, Amarah (whose government is populated by Sadrists and officials sympathetic thereto) is something of a success story in terms of good governance. And yet, Maliki and the US chose to target that city as part of its supposed crackdown on the Mahdi Army militia. And by "militia" of course, I mean political leaders with some track record of success:
In the southern city of Amarah, Iraqi security forces arrested three top loyalists of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr in a crackdown on militias, police said. Sadr officials said the men -- Abdul Jabar Wahid, Abdul Latif Jawad and Fadhil Na'ima -- are senior members of the local governing council in Maysan province, of which Amarah is the capital.
Salah al-Obaidi, a senior spokesman for Sadr, denounced the arrests as part of a concerted effort by the Iraqi government to undermine the cleric's movement. Sadr had agreed to cooperate with the military offensive in Amarah as long as Iraqi soldiers did not indiscriminately target his followers without proper evidence and court-issued arrest warrants. Obaidi said the arrests violated the deal.
"In every province where a military operation takes place, the first to be targeted are the Sadrists," Obaidi said. "We are at a point where there is no longer a chance for negotiation, understanding or dialogue."
Not only is this policy being sold under false pretenses, but it is bound to end poorly. As I've mentioned previously, the Sadrist movement has deep roots in Iraqi culture, and is comprised of between 3-5 million Iraqis by most counts. There is no way to "defeat" a movement of that size militarily or politically absent brutally repressive and/or undemocratic means.
Ironically, while the US should be encouraging the integration of such a vast constituency within the political process in order to attempt to normalize and deescalate the situation, we're pursuing a policy that accomplishes the opposite. We're actively assisting in the purging of Sadrists from regional governments throughout the Shiite south as part of an effort to constructively disenfranchise a large portion of the Shiite population ahead of the upcoming regional elections.
This is pure Bush administration wishful thinking as policymaking: Because the Sadrist movement opposes certain of the Bush administration's objectives, Bush administration policymakers assume they can be targeted, marginalized and/or dismissed. Despite indigenous support. Call it the Hamas/Hezbollah approach. Which has been a smashing success of course.
This is just unsupported assertions. Where are the citations to the case law in proper Bluebook form?
Posted by: ugh | July 03, 2008 at 04:24 PM
This is pure Bush administration wishful thinking as policymaking
I think, seriously, that our foreign policy for the last 7 years has been based on a deliberate and conscious refusal to consider facts on the ground. There seems to be an assumption in play that we can somehow recreate the world into a form we like better, at will, rather than deal with it as it is.
That's the only sense I can make of things. Either that or the principals are stone cold right out of their minds.
Actually, thinking you can just make the world be the way you want it to be, because that's the way you want it to be, may well be a form of being right out of your mind.
Six months and counting. Can't wait.
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | July 03, 2008 at 04:58 PM
Because the Sadrist movement opposes certain of the Bush administration's objectives, Bush administration policymakers assume they can be targeted, marginalized and/or dismissed.
Well I think the Sadrists are bad guys. They opposes liquor, dating, music, women exposing their hair, and various other freedoms and they will impose their preferences on the rest of the Iraqis. When Basra was under Sadrists' control, kidnapping, and extortion were the order of the day. And now recently the Sadrists are doing the suicide bombings. What is so good about Al Sadr except that he hates America? Why do you prefer him to run things in Iraq?
Posted by: DaveC | July 03, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I think, seriously, that our foreign policy for the last 7 years has been based on a deliberate and conscious refusal to consider facts on the ground.
I think this is right, but I also wonder if we're not seeing the logical conclusion of Harvard Business School thinking. The classic HBS feature was case study analysis: students show up, read a few pages of background information about some company along with a description of the challenges facing senior management. Then the students formulate strategies to deal with the problems faced by management. In this setting, knowledge is harmful since you're not allowed to reference anything outside the case study; the presumption really is that any MBA can swoop in, read 20 pages and then be equipped to make major strategic decisions. No history needed.
From that perspective, what differentiates a good leader from a bad leader? It cannot be knowledge or hard work. It cannot be the quality of subordinates or the organizational infrastructure a leader has built. It cannot be anything beyond sheer strategic vision and moral certainty. That's it. In Bush's mind, the thing that separates him from Bill Clinton is his moral superiority, his ability to stand firm and refuse to accept evil. We are ruled by people who think that success comes from quickly reaching an opinion and then boldly repeating it, no matter what happens.
I don't think this explains everything about Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and friends, but I think it helps. If you're a very stupid person with no real skills confronted by the tremendous challenges of high office, you have no choice but to assume that leadership boils down to innate qualities like your personal morality and ability to stay the course and toughness.
I stole much of this analysis from Henry Mintzberg, the management professor who writes (very amusingly) about how MBA programs are awful for society. His short article on Bush's leadership style and how some of its defects might derive from Harvard Business School is here.
Posted by: Turbulence | July 03, 2008 at 05:33 PM
@ DaveC:
"They opposes liquor, dating, music, women exposing their hair, and various other freedoms and they will impose their preferences on the rest of the Iraqis"
Uhh, Dave: just out of curiousity, which elements of the Iraqi governing structure (current OR potential) - do you think won't be minded to "oppose" these cultural "freedoms"?* Any particular reason you know of why the present Government is any more inclined to social libertarianism than the Sadrists?
Oh, and if you have ever read any amount of Eric's writing about the Sadrist movement and its impact in (and on) Iraq, you'd know that writing stuff like:
"Why do you prefer him to run things in Iraq?"
is just so much tripe. AFAICT Eric's point (which he has belabored mightily on the trolletariat for quite a while now) isn't so much that he "prefers" Sadr to "run" Iraq, but merely to point out that the Sadrist movement is highly popular among a highly non-trivial portion of Iraqi Shi'ites: and that attempts by the US or the Maliki Government to discredit/marginalize/eliminate it as a social/political force in the country are (or likely to be) a) counterproductive and/or b) failures.
*outside Kurdistan, that is
Posted by: Jay C | July 03, 2008 at 05:46 PM
Well I think the Sadrists are bad guys. They opposes liquor, dating, music, women exposing their hair, and various other freedoms and they will impose their preferences on the rest of the Iraqis.
They sound a lot like most fundamentalists I've ever known.
The blowing people up part, I agree, not a good thing. But the country is at war.
The point, to me anyway, is that Sadr represents the interests of a lot of Iraqis. Ignoring him, or trying to marginalize him politically, because we don't like him, is going to result in the folks he represents having no vested interest in whatever solution we leave behind in Iraq.
And, of course, there is the question of how much our dislike of him is due to his position on Iraqi mineral rights.
We can insist on whatever we like. The rest of the people in the world will respond according to what they see to be their own best interests. The world isn't our toy.
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | July 03, 2008 at 05:50 PM
I knew this post would be here before I clicked the bookmark. ;)
Oh well, we’re wrapping it up:
Heading into the holiday weekend, Obama and his advisers repudiated that pledge, saying he is reevaluating his plan and will incorporate advice from commanders on the ground when he visits Iraq later this month.
A top Obama adviser said he is not “wedded” to a specific timeline, and Obama said Thursday he plans to “refine” his plan.
From Insty: With all these changes, Obama's morphing into a candidate I could support!
As he would say, Heh.
Posted by: OCSteve | July 03, 2008 at 06:02 PM
DaveC:
Ironically, Sadr represents that faction of Iraq that stands strongly against Iranian influence in Iraq. Maliki and our "allies" in Iraq openly seek closer ties with Iran. Our current policy guarantees heavy Iranian influence in Iraq.
There is nothing uniquely thuggish about Sadr -- all of the factions in Iraq use their thuggish militias to hold onto power. The only thing distinguishing Sadr is that he is also strongly anti-American, whereas Maliki and crew find it useful to avoid conflict with the US.
The point is that no one is really our friend over there, and we have no policy that seeks to further our own long term goals in the region. Current Bush policy is to guarantee a permanent US military presence in Iraq, but even Maliki finds it impossible to agree to that.
When we leave Iraq, we will leave behind a regime that is strongly anti-US (or at least closer to Iran than the US) whether it involves Sadr or some other faction being part of the government. It is probably in our interest to see that Sadr has a voice in Iraq since that would diminish Iranian influence, which is probably the best we can hope for long term.
Posted by: dmbeaster | July 03, 2008 at 06:08 PM
@DaveC
When Basra was under Sadrists' control, kidnapping, and extortion were the order of the day.
Um... as opposed to the rest of Iraq?
Posted by: Nombrilisme Vide | July 03, 2008 at 06:09 PM
@Turb
Your link is slightly broken.
Posted by: Nombrilisme Vide | July 03, 2008 at 06:12 PM
Thanks Nom!
DaveC: I don't understand why you love Iran so much. Is it because you're a traitor or is it because you think the Iraqi people should be subjugated under Iranian control? Did you really learn nothing from 300?
Posted by: Turbulence | July 03, 2008 at 06:18 PM
Sadr represents that faction of Iraq that stands strongly against Iranian influence in Iraq.
I do not believe that.
Just saying.
Mugabe represents the interests of a considerable minority of Zimbabweans.
Posted by: DaveC | July 03, 2008 at 06:33 PM
A top Obama adviser said he is not “wedded” to a specific timeline, and Obama said Thursday he plans to “refine” his plan.
I think what everybody needs to acknowledge and accept at this point is that events in Iraq aren't really under our control. We have a very significant input, but we're not the only relevant actors.
One consequence of that is that nobody can really say how long we will, or will not, have troops there. Even assuming Obama's intent is to withdraw, as opposed to McCain's likely intent to stay indefinitely, "as soon as is practically possible" is a pretty squishy time line.
Not squishy due (at least necessarily) to bad faith. Squishy due to reality.
It's just the way it is. IMO we'll be there for a long time yet.
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | July 03, 2008 at 06:34 PM
"When Basra was under Sadrists' control, kidnapping, and extortion were the order of the day"
Back on planet earth, Basra has never been under the control of the Sadrists, but under the Fadilah Militia/Party.
It helps to have the faintest clue what one is talking about, when one is talking about something.
Posted by: Gary Farber | July 03, 2008 at 07:29 PM
JAM was in Basra, too.
Look at the 2nd article in your 1st link:
,he said faintly.
Posted by: DaveC | July 03, 2008 at 07:44 PM
Oddly, I am in Baltimore, though I do not control it...
Posted by: hilzoy | July 03, 2008 at 07:47 PM
Oddly, I am in Baltimore, though I do not control it...
IIRC nobody was in control of Baltimore when crab was in season. Or at least that is how it worked when I used to live there back in the 1980's. It may have changed since then, and now I have to make do with keeping a can of Old Bay handy as a reminder of how things used to be.
But I am not aware of all Baltimore traditions...
Posted by: ThatLeftTurnInABQ | July 03, 2008 at 08:15 PM
To get back on topic:
Eric,
What does your crystal ball see regarding the scheduled regional elections this fall in Iraq?
Do you think the Maliki govt. will cancel/postpone them, or go forward with them hoping to sufficiently suppress turnout on the part of the Sadrists to squeak through and continue to hold power as the dominant Shia coalition?
Posted by: ThatLeftTurnInABQ | July 03, 2008 at 08:21 PM
First of all, Jay C pretty much summed up my position. Thanks for that.
Gary and others point out quite correctly that: 1. Sadr was never in control of Basra; and 2. fundamentalist parties like ISCI and Fadila are, well, fundamentalist parties! Such that they too enforce strict religious codes. And either way, um, I thought we were supposed to be bringing democracy to Iraq? Doesn't that entail letting Iraqis choose their leaders?
As for regional elections, they will almost certainly be postponed somewhat. October 1 isn't going to happen. My guess is that Maliki et al will eventually let them occur, but only after they feel as though they've sufficiently shaped the space such that they can suppress Sadr turnout or, more importantly, take control of the vote counting aparatus such that they can ensure victory.
As Boss Tweed is rumored to have said, "The ballots don't make the results, the counters make the results."
The Iraqis are gonna love us for that.
Posted by: Eric Martin | July 03, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Eric,
I disagree that the U.S. military is specifically targeting the Sadr movement. It's more like we were going after people who are shooting at us or killing civilians (of which Jaish al-Mahdi was doing plenty, even after the ceasefire in August 2007). From the last testimony:
I think the way -- the best way to characterize Muqtada al-Sadr is that he is the face and the leadership of a very important and legitimate political movement in Iraq, one that, in fact, was part of the coalition that elected Prime Minister Maliki, has 30 votes in the council of representatives, is a movement that has to be not just acknowledged but addressed, dealt with, reached out to by the government of Iraq. -Gen. Petraeus
As for Maliki and ISCI targeting the Sadrists, what do you want us to do? It's their country. Same thing with the Iranian diplomacy in Iraq. How did we feel about Iraq being on good terms with Iran? It's their country. Their cultural ties and economic ties are immense. I actually have an Iranian rug sitting in my living room that I brought back, which I purchased in the IZ. Call me a traitor if you must.
Posted by: LT Nixon | July 03, 2008 at 09:17 PM
With regards to OCSteve who mentioned this:
What's the deal? Are the netroots going to change tunes on Iraq like Obama said he might? How does this whole partisan political process work. I was deployed last election and missed all the shenanigans.
Posted by: LT Nixon | July 03, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Good grief, people. Obama didn't say anything about Iraq today that he hasn't been saying for months.
Posted by: J. Michael Neal | July 03, 2008 at 09:35 PM
Obama didn't say anything about Iraq today that he hasn't been saying for months.
"Let me be as clear as I can be. I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in, and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war — responsibly, deliberately, but decisively. And I have seen no information that contradicts the notion that we can bring our troops out safely at a pace of one to two brigades a month, and again, that pace translates into having our combat troops out in 16 months' time."--Obama, today
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_07/014031.php
Posted by: rea | July 03, 2008 at 09:55 PM
It's more like we were going after people who are shooting at us or killing civilians (of which Jaish al-Mahdi was doing plenty, even after the ceasefire in August 2007).
Wait, are you saying that the US Army goes after people that kill its soldiers or civilians? Huh, that's funny, because I thought that the US Army's official policy is that if you kill enough American soldiers or Iraqi civilians, the US Army will start paying you large sums of money while giving you weapons. Why aren't we doing that with Sadr? Did he not kill enough American soldiers to qualify for the buyout option?
I look forward to local police departments throughout the country adopting this technique. I can't wait until we start paying off the mafia with taxpayer funds!
Posted by: Turbulence | July 03, 2008 at 09:57 PM
What Turby said.
There was a cease fire with Sadr's folks that we violated repeatedly, until Sadr's hand was forced by internal pressure.
If we stop targeting Sadrists, a cease fire is possible, as with the Anbar crowd.
Posted by: Eric Martin | July 03, 2008 at 10:00 PM
Eric:
Assuming that by "we" you mean the US:
"If we stop targeting Sadrists, a cease fire is possible, as with the Anbar crowd."
But in that case, why the substantive American assistance for PM Maliki's "Charge of the Knights" campaign (or campaigns - aren't they still going on?) and the semi-official demonization of Moqtada al-Sadr and his movement by all and sundry? Since it seems "we" are backing the "legitimate" Dawa/ISCI Government in their operations against the Sadrists, how likely is it that we are going to acquiesce in inviting Young Mook and his crew to the dance - whenever the elections will (finally) be held? Especially given that the Bush Administration seems increasing desperate to nail down an advantageous SOFA deal - regardless of what the Iraqis think - before their (or Maliki's) mandate(s) expire?
PS: You're welcome ;)
Posted by: Jay C | July 03, 2008 at 10:24 PM
But in that case, why the substantive American assistance for PM Maliki's "Charge of the Knights" campaign (or campaigns - aren't they still going on?) and the semi-official demonization of Moqtada al-Sadr and his movement by all and sundry?
Because Sadr refuses to say uncle? Because no matter how hard we hammer him, he still keeps insisting that we have no right to be in Iraq and that we should get the frack out now? That'd be my guess.
Alternatively, it might be that because Sadr commands more popular legitimacy than many other actors on the Iraqi stage, he is less dependent on America, and if its one thing we cannot abide, it is an actor with the freedom to tell us to frack off.
how likely is it that we are going to acquiesce in inviting Young Mook and his crew to the dance?
My guess is "not very likely". Maybe Obama will do something different, but under Bush I imagine we'll continue doing Maliki's dirty work for him. I guess that's why people go to Westpoint these days, so they can work as hired guns for a bunch of local thugs taking out other local thugs. God Bless America!
Posted by: Turbulence | July 03, 2008 at 10:37 PM
As for Maliki and ISCI targeting the Sadrists, what do you want us to do?
Do not use US troops and air power as the point of their spear, which is what we have been doing.
Thank you Gary for pointing out the facts on the ground in Basra. As I understood it, JAM had been in control of the government machinery in Basra but the Sadrists had been taking de facto control of a number of areas and are predicted to win regional elections. A murky situation, but clearly not one in which the Sadrists ran Basra.
For an area that has been under Sadr control, look at Sadr City in Baghdad if you want to see how they run things. Also not a pretty picture, but not the criminal chaos of Basra.
I think a key is the upcoming elections and how they are handled -- not just the regional elections, but the Kirkuk election and the national elections. A tremendous amount has changed in the country since the last elections in 2005. Will election pressure increase sectarian violence amongst all groups, as well as intra-Shia violence?
It is a bad thing when the faction in power is already using its military power to marginalize election rivals.
Posted by: dmbeaster | July 03, 2008 at 11:12 PM
"And either way, um, I thought we were supposed to be bringing democracy to Iraq? Doesn't that entail letting Iraqis choose their leaders?"
For the benefit of those, unlike Eric, who aren't too familiar with the various Iraqi factions (hint: it's not "the government, Sadr, and Al Qaeda"), it's worth pointing out how Fadilah came to control Basra, and it was through those wonderful purple-thumbed elections that some once cheered heartily, paying not attention at all to the fact that it was fundamentalist parties who won almost all the power in Iraq, including in Basra. Democratically. Through elections.
The "Sadrist movement" is not, of course, the movement of Moktada al-Sadr, but that of his father and uncle. Fadila is a breakaway from that movement, not Moktada. This is basic stuff which anyone with a clue about Iraq knows. Back in 2003, we knew that: If you didn't follow this stuff in 2003, that's five years of having no clue what's going on with Iraqi factions.Al-Fadhila Party.
I'd love for DaveC to explain why he applauds and cheerleads these guys and these guys instead forming the Iraqi government and being our "allies." Why do you like these Iranian-backed fundamentalists, DaveC? They oppose liquor, dating, music, women exposing their hair, and various other freedoms and they have impose their preferenced on the rest of the Iraqis, using power drills, decapitating, kidnapping, and torture. With much of Iraq under their control, kidnapping, and extortion have been the order of the day.
Why do you like that, DaveC? Why?
I don't like these people, myself. But you do; I guess you just love Islamic fundamentalist torturers, and the Iranian mullahs.
I love America. God bless it.
Posted by: Gary Hussein Farber | July 03, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I never liked the Taliban even when they had more popular support. I don't like the Iranian clerics, Hizballah or Hamas very much either. Al Sadr reminds me very much of these types, against "secular thoughts", Western ideas, etc., and will stop at nothing to try and establish a grim theocratic state. I don't want the future of the Muslim and Arab world to look like that. I believe that there is better way than that, and that we should encourage the guys that are the most good and least bad, because this is going to be a decades long struggle against the bad guys. Remember, for years and years the world left the Taliban alone to have their precious burka party, and they still came after us.
Posted by: DaveC | July 03, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Bollixed the first link here: I'd love for DaveC to explain why he applauds and cheerleads these guys and these guys instead forming the Iraqi government and being our "allies." Why do you like these Iranian-backed fundamentalists, DaveC? Why do you support Dawa and the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, and their horrific murdering, kidnapping, torturing, militias, Dave? Why do you cheerlead for the Iraqi government they control?
See, Dave, if you were an honest interlocuter, you'd answer these questions as to why you support these guys. You know, the ones in charge of the Iraqi government?
Why do you support them?
You never answer; instead, you make up sh*t about other people supporting the Taliban. Can you link to anyone here ever saying they favored the Taliban, or like the fundamentalist values of Hamas, or the thuggish nature of Hezbollah? No, of course you can't; you just lie like a rug about it, instead.
That's why it's not worth "debating" you. Not until you change behavior, and change consistently for several months, at least.
Posted by: Gary Hussein Farber | July 03, 2008 at 11:51 PM
"As I understood it, JAM had been in control of the government machinery in Basra"
No, I'm afraid that's wrong. JAM has never been in control of the government machinery in Basra, although they've had large numbers of their militia there; it was the rival Fadhila Party that won control of Basra in the elections, and held it via their militia and control of governmental offices and assets; JAM and Fadhila tend to shoot each other.
Let's go back to last August:
September 17th, 2007: Hope this helps.Posted by: Gary Farber | July 04, 2008 at 12:06 AM
What I'd like to know is why anyone thinks it's a good idea for us to be supporting the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council, and Dawa, aka "the Iraqi government."
Why do you think that's a good idea, DaveC? Do you think these are the folks we should be allied with, Lt. Nixon?
And how is that progress on political reconciliation between them, and the Sunni Awakening, coming? Found any cites to actual information, rather than Bush propaganda?
Posted by: Gary Farber | July 04, 2008 at 12:09 AM
I was just stating how I see things Gary, but you have made this personal, so I'll back off which is what you want.
Have a happy Fourth. Burn a flag or whatever you do to celebrate it ;-)
Posted by: DaveC | July 04, 2008 at 12:27 AM
DaveC,
I would argue that whatever marginal improvement there would be in backing Iran's main proxies (ISCI and Dawa) is completely washed away by the fact that by "backing" we mean killing thousands of Iraqis - some militia members, many if not most are not.
The recent actions in Sadr City were ugly. We killed more civilians than combatants. All to empower a political party that was formed in Iran, by the branches of the Iranian military that our government classifies as a terrorist organization.
That's not worth the blood of our soldiers, not worth innocent Iraqi blood and not worth 10-12 billion a month.
Posted by: Eric Martin | July 04, 2008 at 09:21 AM
Gary: If you didn't follow this stuff in 2003, that's five years of having no clue what's going on with Iraqi factions.
That's me! Which is why I don't comment on such things.
DaveC: Al Sadr reminds me very much of these types, against "secular thoughts", Western ideas, etc., and will stop at nothing to try and establish a grim theocratic state.
On the off chance that you're still around, how does this not describe the fundamentalist evangelical movement in the United States? I'm assuming you draw some distinction between the two, but I'm not seeing it in your description here.
Posted by: Anarch | July 04, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Posted by: Davebo | July 04, 2008 at 04:46 PM
how likely is it that we are going to acquiesce in inviting Young Mook and his crew to the dance?
What makes anyone think he is waiting for an invitation?
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | July 04, 2008 at 04:48 PM
"I was just stating how I see things Gary, but you have made this personal,"
Ah, well, clearly if one should ever do that here, an apology would be in order.
You go first. You've got only about 500 vicious personal lies directed at endless numbers of people here to apologize for.
Y'know, all the endless stuff, repeated so many times, over so many years, about how we hate America, hate our troops, want them to lose, love terrorists, love Islamic fundamentalists, hate Israel, and so on and so forth. Would you like quotes and links? Did I miss your apologies?
But, I'll tell you what, DaveC: I'll apologize first, if you can quote to me my words above in which I attacked you as a person, rather than challenged you to support your opinions with facts, or used your own words.
Then you can explain how I wrote anything more "personal" than this, by you, above:
I'll wait right here for you to quote whatever it is I wrote that's more "personal" than that.[Gary looks up and waves from bench where he's reading his book, waiting patiently]
(I'm immensely hesitant to suggest this, but if you wrote all that stuff so many times in a state where you don't remember writing it, a non-normal/sober state, that might be one explanation for Crazy Vicious DaveC, followed occasionally by seemingly-puzzled-hurt DaveC, so if you clarify that that's the case -- and god knows I've written horribly regrettable stuff on drugs and/or booze at times, and wanted to melt through the floor the next day when I reread it -- I'll certainly be much more inclined to forgive you.)
Posted by: Gary Farber | July 04, 2008 at 06:15 PM
[Gary looks up and waves from bench where he's reading his book, waiting patiently]
Gary's got wireless!
Posted by: liberal japonicus | July 04, 2008 at 07:35 PM
LT Nixon: I disagree that the U.S. military is specifically targeting the Sadr movement. It's more like we were going after people who are shooting at us or killing civilians
The Maliki government is certainly targeting the Sadr movement with this latest operation. What civilian-killing or anti-U.S. forces or anti-Iraqi Army attacks have been taking place in Amara and Maysan province that might conceivably justify these arrests?
Posted by: Nell | July 05, 2008 at 05:24 PM