by hilzoy
The NYT has a story headlined 'Worries in G.O.P. About Disarray in McCain Camp'. It contained this rather astonishing passage:
"The string of departures from the campaign was prompted by questions about lobbying activities by aides and advisers to Mr. McCain and a new policy, which he dictated, that active lobbyists not be allowed to hold paying jobs in the campaign. Mr. Schmidt said that policy was an example of how Mr. McCain would take tough action, part of a contrast he said they would draw with Mr. Obama for “giving great speeches” but having no record of accomplishment."
Let me get this straight. Obama has refused, from the outset, to take money from lobbyists and PACs. He has also refused to have lobbyists on his paid staff. When the RNC has tried to catch him in hypocrisy, it has had to resort to such claims as: he lets lobbyists give him free advice! He has people on his staff who used to be lobbyists!
By contrast, until quite recently, John McCain's campaign was full of lobbyists:
"For years, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has railed against lobbyists and the influence of "special interests" in Washington, touting on his campaign Web site his fight against "the 'revolving door' by which lawmakers and other influential officials leave their posts and become lobbyists for the special interests they have aided."But when McCain huddled with his closest advisers at his rustic Arizona cabin last weekend to map out his presidential campaign, virtually every one was part of the Washington lobbying culture he has long decried. His campaign manager, Rick Davis, co-founded a lobbying firm whose clients have included Verizon and SBC Telecommunications. His chief political adviser, Charles R. Black Jr., is chairman of one of Washington's lobbying powerhouses, BKSH and Associates, which has represented AT&T, Alcoa, JPMorgan and U.S. Airways.
Senior advisers Steve Schmidt and Mark McKinnon work for firms that have lobbied for Land O' Lakes, UST Public Affairs, Dell and Fannie Mae. (...)
Even as Black provides a private voice and a public face for McCain, he also leads his lobbying firm, which offers corporate interests and foreign governments the promise of access to the most powerful lawmakers. Some of those companies have interests before the Senate and, in particular, the Commerce Committee, of which McCain is a member.
Black said he does a lot of his work by telephone from McCain's Straight Talk Express bus."
Yep: McCain's senior political advisor was running a lobbying firm which was registered as an agent for several foreign governments as well as a whole host of corporations, from McCain's campaign bus. But when it turned out that two of McCain's people had lobbied for the odious Government of Myanmar, McCain suddenly saw the wisdom of adopting Obama's approach, and started shedding lobbyists. (Not, however, Charlie Black: while he has resigned from his lobbying firm, the fact that he has represented Ferdinand Marcos, Mobutu Sese Seko, Mohamed Siad Barre, Jonas Savimbi, and Ahmed Chalabi is apparently not a problem.)
And the fact that Obama spotted the problems with having lobbyists working for his campaign from the outset and avoided it, while McCain let it fester until it blew up in his face, is supposed to show that McCain "takes tough action" while Obama just gives speeches? Sounds like a winning argument to me.
(cross-posted at Washington Monthly)
It shows that McCain can decisively scrape crap off his shoe when the stench becomes so offensive to everyone around him that it can't be ignored anymore, while Obama has the sense to avoid stepping in the crap in the first place.
Posted by: mikesdak | May 25, 2008 at 01:49 AM
Obama says he'll get us out of Iraq. Half measures! McCain will also get us out of Iran!
You know, some day. Obama can't promise that.
Posted by: southpaw | May 25, 2008 at 02:30 AM
Of course, Republicans do not have the gimmick of calling themselves activist instead of lobbyist. I wonder how many activist are on Senator Obama's staff? My guess is that many of them are. They just do not have to register with the government.
Posted by: superdestroyer | May 25, 2008 at 07:27 AM
superdestroyer: what do you mean by "activist"? People who lobby the federal government on behalf of, oh, the Children's Defense Fund have to register like anyone else. They are covered by the ban on lobbyists. People like me, on the other hand -- people who write letters to Congresspeople, periodically take time to participate in voter registration drives, etc., but who make our livings doing something other than lobbying the federal government, do not.
Is it your contention that people like me raise the same issues as someone like Charlie Black? If not, what is it?
Posted by: hilzoy | May 25, 2008 at 08:53 AM
The fun thing for me is the way the Republican party keeps finding itself on the unpopular side of nearly every issue, whether it's honesty in government or the use of military force in other countries or immigration, the economy--you name it, the Republicans are on the wrong side of just about everything right now. That's a noteworthy accomplishment.
Posted by: Incertus | May 25, 2008 at 09:35 AM
That's a noteworthy accomplishment.
Thanks. We worked hard at it…
Posted by: OCSteve | May 25, 2008 at 09:38 AM
Hilzoy,
Sarah Sewall was an activist whose main interested was affect U.S. foreign policy. He was actually more powerful than most lobbying and was given a place as a foreign policy advisor. What her expertise outisde of advocating about Darfur, I have no idea? Yet, she is a good example of how Senator Obama parses his statements.
Posted by: superdestroyer | May 25, 2008 at 09:42 AM
superdestroyer: what, exactly, is wrong with having Sarah Sewall as an advisor?
Look: to my mind, there are two obvious things that might be wrong with having a lobbyist on your campaign. (1) A lobbyist is paid to represent someone else's interests. S/he can therefore be expected -- if s/he's good and conscientious -- to serve those interests, not necessarily yours or the country's. (2) Lobbyists, like everyone else, might have done something awful in the past -- in their case, they might have represented some bad person or interest. (My problem with Charlie Black.)
The problem with having lobbyists on board is not something more general, like "there are Washington insiders on board", or "there are people who advocate something on board." (Unless I'm missing something: would it be better to have people who advocate nothing? Who are completely politically inactive?)
Someone who is not paid to advance the interests of someone other than the campaign or the country is not subject to problem no. 1. Someone who has not done bad stuff is not subject to no. 2.
You say that Sarah Sewall is "more powerful than most lobbying." I have no idea what your evidence for this is; more to the point, I have no idea why, if true, it is supposed to be a problem. If you could explain to me what, exactly, you think is wrong with having her as an advisor, I'd be grateful.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 25, 2008 at 09:51 AM
Hilzoy,
Sarah Sewall is a Harvard lecturer, an author, and a media personality who advocates that the U.S. take foreign policy positions that could very well be not in the interest of the U.S. She receives speakers, bookright fees, and consulting fees from people who hold her position.
I thought the concern of lobbyist is that they would try to affect policy? Sara SEwall, before she was fired, was trying to do exactly the same thing and getting while doing it, same as a lobbyist.
I sure is looked at an entire list of Obama insiders you would see personal economic connections and advocacy positions that are counters to his public (what few there are) statements.
Posted by: superdestroyer | May 25, 2008 at 10:08 AM
I thought the concern of lobbyist is that they would try to affect policy?
If that's your only condition, then every single person who votes is a lobbyist. I'd submit that this is not a particularly useful definition.
Posted by: Anarch | May 25, 2008 at 10:14 AM
BTW:
Sarah Sewall is a Harvard lecturer, an author, and a media personality who advocates that the U.S. take foreign policy positions that could very well be not in the interest of the U.S.
Irrespective of Sarah Sewall's positions, it has been proven by now that the Bush Administration's foreign policy positions -- and indeed, most of the Republican foreign policy positions -- are genuinely not in the interest of the US. I expect your assault on the GOP to begin shortly.
Posted by: Anarch | May 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM
Using superdestoyer logic, I was inevitably led to conclude that Martin Luther King was merely a lobbyist.
Cripes, 40 years of lefty beliefs out the window in one fell swoop.
Posted by: bobbyp | May 25, 2008 at 10:50 AM
McCain is trying to get a gold star as Most Improved Candidate. For that it's an advantage to start out with lots of ethical issues.
Charlie Black may have resigned from his firm, but his wife is still a big-time lobbyist and I have little doubt he'll go right back to it as soon as the campaign is over (assuming he doesn't get a job in the White House).
Posted by: KCinDC | May 25, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Sarah Sewell has, so far as I can tell from Amazon, published one book, a scholarly book on the International Criminal Court, co-authored with Carl Kayson. Royalties from academic books are low to begin with, and she's splitting the money with her co-author.
She doesn't seem to have a CV on-line, so I don't know where or how often she's given talks. Academic talks generally aren't paid, and when they are, the honorariums are usually small.
Consulting fees I can't speak to. (Though: do you have any evidence that Sewell engages in paid consultancy? To whom?)
All this by way of saying what should have been obvious: her *financial* interest in the position she's advocating is probably negligible.
Posted by: jdkbrown | May 25, 2008 at 11:13 AM
"I thought the concern of lobbyist is that they would try to affect policy?"
No. If that were the concern, the entire idea of people who advise a campaign would have to go out the window. Candidates would have to dream up their positions entirely on their own, since anyone who advised them, however knowledgeable, would be "trying to affect policy".
Come to think of it, no one could ever run for office, unless they themselves did not plan to "affect policy" once they got there.
That is not the concern. If you can come up with a concern that rules out Sarah Sewall, but leaves open the possibility of anyone ever advising a campaign in any way, let me know.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 25, 2008 at 11:31 AM
sd
I thought the concern of lobbyist is that they would try to affect policy?
anarch
If that's your only condition, then every single person who votes is a lobbyist.
sd's point complements his concern that the US is headed for single party rule under the Dems. People influencing policy - oh, the horror!
Posted by: liberal japonicus | May 25, 2008 at 12:08 PM
and let's try and close that tag
Posted by: liberal japonicus | May 25, 2008 at 12:09 PM
"What her expertise outisde of advocating about Darfur, I have no idea?"
Do you perhaps mean Samantha Power, rather than Sarah Sewell? If so, the answer to your question is obvious, and google is your friend. If not, it's hard to make out what you're saying, when you seem to have difficulty even writing a coherent sentence.
Sarah Sewell is a former deputy assistant secretary of Defense. More:
Publications. Click that link to get all the links to these: She's one of many people on the team: She's neither a lobbyist, which has a legal definition, nor an "activist." What's your question, again?Posted by: Gary Farber | May 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM
Hilzoy,
I'm afraid I find your 9:51 arguments a bit weak.
1. All advocates have interests that are "not necessarily yours or the country's". Just because they aren't being paid to advocate doesn't make them altruists. And surely not all lobbyists are advocating bad policy. You can argue that lobbyists are worse in general than unpaid advocates, but I don't think you can generalize that to all lobbyists.
2. Just because some lobbyists have a bad history shouldn't tar all of them, and presumably someone could learn from past mistakes. As you point out anyone can have a bad history.
Of course McCain had surrounded himself with lobbyists of questionable character, but Obama's policy of no lobbyists is not a guarantee of avoiding bad advocacy. To defend Obama's position you need to argue that he is more likely to get better advice with his policy.
Posted by: JayS | May 25, 2008 at 12:55 PM
James Traub, November, 2007, on Obama's foreign policy team at the time. Matt Yglesias comments. More from Stephen Zunes. Most recently, Spencer Ackerman yesterday.
Posted by: Gary Farber | May 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM
"Sarah Sewall is a Harvard lecturer, an author, and a media personality who advocates that the U.S. take foreign policy positions that could very well be not in the interest of the U.S."
You might begin to make a case for this if you cite some evidence proving this, or at least supporting the claim.
Thanks.
Alternately, I'll try your technique: superdestroyer is a blog commenter who advocates that the U.S. take foreign policy positions that could very well be not in the interest of the U.S.
There: now we have two claims that are equally supported, and logically must be given equal weight.
But I'll raise you: superdestroyer hates America, and seeks to destroy it from within; it's believed by some that superdestroyer is a paid foreign agent of the enemies of America.
Okay, up to you to defend yourself from this "truth," made with all the support you give your own claims. Have fun storming the castle.
Posted by: Gary Farber | May 25, 2008 at 01:01 PM
JayS: it's not a guarantee, of course. It doesn't rule out everyone who could possibly give bad advice, nor does it rule out only bad people. Personally, I would have no problem with having someone on a campaign who was a registered lobbyist for, oh, efforts to eradicate polio.
In this, it's like conflict of interest policies generally. To pick an example I'm familiar with: universities often prohibit people from doing research on stuff they have a financial stake in, to avoid bias. Of course, financial stakes aren't the only possible source of conflicts of interest -- think of the way someone angling for a cabinet position might skew his or her research. Also, not all people who have such a conflict would skew their research, even unconsciously.
Still, it's a good policy to have, at least as long as you don't think it's a complete solution, as opposed to a good first step.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 25, 2008 at 01:08 PM
"Sarah Sewall was an activist whose main interested [sic] was affect [sic] U.S. foreign policy. He [sic] was actually more powerful than most lobbying [sic] and was given a place as a foreign policy advisor. What her expertise outisde [sic] of advocating about Darfur, I have no idea?"
Sewell defends Petraeus.
The very suspiciously left-wing General Petraeus (he's soft on the enemy, and won't just kill them all: why not?) asked Sarah Sewall:
I think we should demand an inquiry into why this clearly leftist so-called "General" is infiltrating such suspicious characters into a place where they have such a strong influence on U.S. military counter-insurgency doctrine. The fish rots from the head down, you know.And what of this "President" who is so linked to this "general" (has he been investigated for communist ties? I haven't read any articles about this! Why not!?!?!)? There's much we don't know, obviously.
I've heard rumors that even the Republican Presidential nominee, John McCain, has spoken highly of this "General Petraeus": does anyone know anything more about this?
"Yet, she is a good example of how Senator Obama parses his statements."
Someone has an interesting way of parsing something, all right.
Posted by: Gary Farber | May 25, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Incertus:
...you name it, the Republicans are on the wrong side of just about everything right now. That's a noteworthy accomplishment.
OCSteve:
Thanks. We worked hard at it...
Me:
Even more entertaining, their Congressional leaders seem to understand that they're on the unpopular side of the issues, but view it as just a problem with packaging and advertising. The problem extends, in at least some cases, to the state level as well. One of the more interesting things said (as far as I was concerned) in the Colorado State Senate this last session was by a moderate Republican, to the effect that "...in four years we have lost the governorship, control of both chambers of the statehouse, the majority of the US House seats, and one of two US Senate seats. I am dismayed, then, to hear my fellow Republicans say repeatedly, on this floor, that it's the Democrats who are out of touch with the people of Colorado..."
Posted by: Michael Cain | May 25, 2008 at 02:28 PM
David Axelrod
Posted by: OCSteve | May 25, 2008 at 04:00 PM
I left the following comment on the WashMonthly thread, and it was deleted. Let's see if it stays here:
Del Capslock writes: Sure looks to me like Obama's "weakness" is his strength. McCain's experience has allowed him to be corrupted by the Washington machine, whereas Obama brings a fresh and intelligent outlook.
What city is Obama from again? I seem to recall them having some kind of machine there or something, with BHO being linked right into it:
tinyurl.com/4rlhgj
BHO also served foreign interests, and there's a highly questionable McCain staff member that neither the MSM nor mainstream bloggers will discuss. I guess some questionable foreign links are more equally bad than others.
Posted by: NoMoreBlatherDotCom | May 25, 2008 at 04:29 PM
OCSteve: I think the Newsweek article on Axelrod is absolutely right to say: "But the activities of ASK (located in the same office as Axelrod's political firm) illustrate the difficulties in defining exactly who a lobbyist is."
I mean: it seems fairly clear, if the article itself is to be believed, that Axelrod did not, in fact, lobby anyone. (Nor did his firm.) They seem to have run something more like an ad campaign. So if lobbying is the issue, he's in the clear.
On the other hand, if the issue is being paid by special interests, then, well, he is being paid by special interests. Or at least his firm is (or was): it's not clear whether he's on leave, or what.
Personally, I'd be a lot happier if Axelrod went on leave, the way John McCain's campaign manager did. But I can see points on either side: a lobbyist's job is to actually persuade politicians of things, and being a politician's campaign manager obviously makes that job a lot easier; Axelrod's job seems to be persuading the public of things, and it's less clear how much of a leg up his role in the Obama campaign gives him there. On the other hand, in his shoes I would want to avoid any suggestion of conflict of interest.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 25, 2008 at 05:28 PM
OCSteve, I read with interest the "Hot Air" assertion that "Lobbyists exist to represent citizens before Congress."
Is that what you believe?
Is there a clause I missed in the Constitution? I had the notion that some other category of folk existed to represent citizens, and they're supposed to be, you know, in Congress.
"Elected," I think, is the term.
I could be wrong.
I'm sorry to see that Ed Morrissey is no longer a captain; I hope it was an honorable discharge.
"BHO"
Nice.
"BHO also served foreign interests"
Sure he did.
"And, the Chicago Tribune and other sources reported that some of the key organizers of the march you attended have links to the Mexican government and Mexican political parties. (I have the citations here if anyone would like to see them.)"
This is a development new to me: a blog that can't provide actual active links. I guess it's too complicated, or something.
But, ooh, "links to the Mexican government." Scary. "Links" is such a flexible word, isn't it? Want to count all the "links" G. W. Bush has to the Mexican government? Or the, say, Saudi Arabian government?
But perhaps consistency is a hobgoblin of my small mind.
But, hey, I think your link, NoMoreBlatherDotCom, speaks for itself. Thanks for it, and let everyone give it all the attention and respect it deserves.
Posted by: Gary Farber | May 26, 2008 at 02:43 AM
As I understand it, Obama's campaign refuses contributions from FEDERAL lobbyists. Nothing in the quoted article suggests that Axelrod's firm is doing lobbying or anything else with Federal officials or agencies.
Posted by: bemused | May 26, 2008 at 11:22 AM
??? "BHO" has been in use for quite a while by Obama supporters as well as opponents, along with "JRE" and "HRC" and "WJC". Are you suggesting it's somehow a slur? It's better than "BO", which I've seen plenty of people use even when they're Obama supporters.
Posted by: KCinDC | May 26, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Gary Farber: I'm sorry that page was too difficult for you to understand, but the bit you quoted is meant as something that regular citizens can ask Obama at one of his appearances, and they're encouraged to print out the page and hand it out to interested parties. Thus, the links are provided in raw format, and in fact that page has 13 footnotes with links to supporting information.
However, if you'd like clickable links about the wider issue of who was involved in those marches, see this.
Posted by: NoMoreBlatherDotCom | May 26, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Also, even though it's a LogicalFallacy to switch from Obama's links to Bush's links, I'm going to guess that Gary Farber was ignorant of things like this. And, this.
Posted by: NoMoreBlatherDotCom | May 26, 2008 at 02:34 PM
NMB.com: Guessing that Gary is ignorant of anything that has ever been written down is, in my experience, unwise.
Just saying.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 26, 2008 at 02:52 PM
Good thing I preview. Otherwise, I'd be saying the same thing in a much inferior fashion.
Posted by: gwangung | May 26, 2008 at 02:59 PM
"Guessing that Gary is ignorant of anything that has ever been written down is, in my experience, unwise."
That's perhaps the sweetest thing you've ever said about me, Hilzoy. and if you didn't mean it that way, feel free not to tell me. But can I quote you to that effect?
NoMoreBlatherDotCom, best of luck with surviving the deadly Mexican threat; I wish you much success in purging the Republican Party of all the Quislings and traitors.
In fact, if I had cash to spare, I'd be tempted to send you a contribution. Instead, I do urge you to put as much energy as you can into purifying the Republican Party: all best luck and power to you.
Posted by: Gary Farber | May 26, 2008 at 03:03 PM
Gary: feel free. ;)
NMB.com: I join Gary in wishing you all the best in your struggle against Norwegian Mexicans.
Posted by: hilzoy | May 26, 2008 at 03:33 PM
Yes, best of luck to
The Lone Wacko"NoMoreBlatherDotCom." (Shorter: "The GOP: If it ain't white, it ain't right.")Posted by: matttbastard | May 26, 2008 at 03:56 PM