by hilzoy
This is not good at all:
"U.S. forces in armored vehicles battled Mahdi Army fighters Thursday in the vast Shiite stronghold of Sadr City, and military officials said Friday that U.S. aircraft bombed militant positions in the southern city of Basra, as the American role in a campaign against party-backed militias appeared to expand. Iraqi army and police units appeared to be largely holding to the outskirts of the Sadr City fighting, as U.S. troops took the lead.Four U.S. Stryker armored vehicles were seen in Sadr City by a Washington Post correspondent, one of them engaging Mahdi Army militiamen with heavy fire. The din of U.S. weapons, along with the Mahdi Army's AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenades, was heard through much of the day. U.S. helicopters and drones buzzed overhead.
The clashes suggested that American forces were being drawn more deeply into a broad offensive that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite, launched in the southern city of Basra on Tuesday, saying death squads, criminal gangs and rogue militias were the targets. The Mahdi Army of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, a Shiite rival of Maliki, appeared to have taken the brunt of the attacks; fighting spread to many southern cities and parts of Baghdad."
And this just makes it worse:
"Maliki decided to launch the offensive without consulting his U.S. allies, according to administration officials. With little U.S. presence in the south, and British forces in Basra confined to an air base outside the city, one administration official said that "we can't quite decipher" what is going on. It's a question, he said, of "who's got the best conspiracy" theory about why Maliki decided to act now.In Basra, three rival Shiite groups have been trying to position themselves, sometimes through force of arms, to dominate recently approved provincial elections.
The U.S. officials, who were not authorized to speak on the record, said that they believe Iran has provided assistance in the past to all three groups: the Mahdi Army; the Badr Organization of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq, Iraq's largest Shiite party; and forces loyal to the Fadhila Party, which holds the Basra governor's seat. But the officials see the current conflict as a purely internal Iraqi dispute.
Some officials have concluded that Maliki himself is firing "the first salvo in upcoming elections," the administration official said.
"His dog in that fight is that he is basically allied with the Badr Corps" against forces loyal to Sadr, the official said. "It's not a pretty picture.""
It's made even less pretty by the reports that Iraqi forces are holding back and letting us take the lead, or not fighting at all, or switching sides:
"Abu Iman barely flinched when the Iraqi Government ordered his unit of special police to move against al-Mahdi Army fighters in Basra.His response, while swift, was not what British and US military trainers who have spent the past five years schooling the Iraqi security forces would have hoped for. He and 15 of his comrades took off their uniforms, kept their government-issued rifles and went over to the other side without a second thought."
So: Maliki launched an assault on the Mahdi Army without telling us. [UPDATE: Eric Martin says: don't take the claim that we weren't told at face value. He's right. END UPDATE] We're not sure why he did this, but it appears to be about internal Iraqi politics. And yet, for some reason, our forces are heavily involved, and possibly taking the lead.
More below the fold.
(1) What's going on? The short answer is: no one really seems to know. What is clear, however, is that this is a fight between several Shi'a factions in Iraq, all of which have been supported to varying degrees by Iran. Good analyses: Anthony Cordesman:
"Much of the current coverage of the fighting in the south assumes that Muqtada al-Sadr and the Sadr militia are the "spoilers," or bad guys, and that the government forces are the legitimate side and bringing order. This can be a dangerous oversimplification. There is no question that many elements of the JAM have been guilty of sectarian cleansing, and that the Sadr movement in general is hostile to the US and is seeking to enhance Muqtada al-Sadr's political power. There is also no doubt that the extreme rogue elements in the JAM have continued acts of violence in spite of the ceasefire, and that some have ties to Iran. No one should romanticize the Sadr movement, understate the risks it presents, or ignore the actions of the extreme elements of the JAM.But no one should romanticize Maliki, Al Dawa, or the Hakim faction/ISCI. The current fighting is as much a power struggle for control of the south, and the Shi'ite parts of Baghdad and the rest of the country, as an effort to establish central government authority and legitimate rule. (...)
Is the end result going to be good or bad? It is very difficult to tell. If the JAM and Sadr turn on the US, or if the current ISCI/Dawa power grab fails, then Shi'ite on Shi'ite violence could become far more severe. It is also far from clear that if the two religious-exile parties win, this is going to serve the cause of political accommodation or legitimate local and provincial government."
"It's not a case of good vs. evil. It's just another crevice in the widening earthquake called Iraq."
Eric Martin, Abu Aardvark, and Noah Schachtman are all worth reading. Juan Cole has a good summary of what's happening, with his own analysis and translations from the Arabic press; Missing Links is also good. Josh Marshall asks a good question: "I wonder myself if this isn't also an effort of Maliki (now allied with what used to be SCIRI) to crush the Sadrists while he still has the power of the US military behind him." Raider Vissar, who knows a whole lot about Basra, has some very good questions about what's going on, and in particular about why this is happening now, and against Sadr in particular. Cernig and Fester at NewsHoggers float the unpleasant possibility that drawing us into an internal Iraqi struggle was part of the point.
(2) The WSJ gets part of the bigger picture right:
"U.S. and Iraqi officials have credited Iraq's recent security gains to three distinct but related trends: the "surge" of 30,000 additional U.S. combat forces, the willingness of Sunni tribal fighters to turn against religious extremists, and a cease-fire by firebrand Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.But the surge troops have begun leaving Iraq and will be back in the U.S. by July. Many of the Sunni fighters -- known as "concerned local citizens, or CLCs, in military parlance -- are threatening to resume attacking Iraqi targets if they aren't given government jobs. And Mr. Sadr's militants have been battling Iraqi forces in recent days and talking darkly about escalating the violence if no armistice is reached.
"If the two wheels fall off -- the CLCs turn back into insurgents and the Sadr cease-fire starts to fray -- you're likely to see a huge uptick in the violence," said Colin Kahl, a security-studies professor at Georgetown University. "All three of the factors holding down the violence are unwinding at the same time, which is a pretty big deal.""
(3) Oil: I should probably mention this:
"In another indication that parts of the south were slipping from the government’s hands, a major oil pipeline near Basra was struck with a bomb around 10 a.m. on Friday, igniting a huge fire, said Sameer al-Magsosi, a spokesman for the Southern Oil Company."
(4) Abu Muqawama, an Iraq vet, writes:
"If Abu Muqawama was leading one of those U.S. units into Sadr City past a bunch of Iraqi Army soldiers hanging out on the outskirts, he would not be happy. He would be asking himself a) why is he the one establishing the authority of the Iraqi state and not the Iraqi Army and b) why is he duking it out with a militia with broad popular support so that another Iran-backed political party can win a bigger share of the vote in the fall?Now Iraqi Army units are calling for U.S. and UK military units to lend direct support in Basra as well.
In Lebanon, in September 1983, the U.S. lent direct support to what it assumed was a national institution, the Lebanese Army, in the battle at Souk el-Gharb. By doing so, it became, in the eyes of the rest of the Lebanese population, just another militia. The U.S. history in Iraq is more complicated, obviously, but what's happening now is the U.S. is throwing our lot in with ISCI in the upcoming elections. And all Abu Muqawama is saying is, there better be a whole lot of quid pro quo going on as well."
Yep. We should not be in the middle of this one, let alone taking the lead. Doing so has enormous costs. But:
(5) This is completely unsurprising. When people talk about why we need to stay in Iraq, they often say that if we left, there would be a horrific civil war. I agree, though I've always thought that to even begin to justify staying in Iraq, we need to have some reason to think that we are preventing that civil war, not just postponing it. But recent developments should make it clear that while we are undoubtedly helping to keep a lid on things, it's not at all impossible that a civil war could break out while we're there.
If it does, we will of course come under a lot of pressure to get involved. Consider this article from Reuters, whose headline reads: "Britain sits on sidelines as Iraq's Basra burns". That's how it looks when a country with troops in theater decides not to intervene in a struggle between Iraqi factions. Besides, as Spencer Ackerman says:
"As long as Maliki is in the prime minister's chair, and as long as we proclaim the Iraqi government he leads to be legitimate, Maliki effectively holds us hostage. "I need to go after Sadr," Maliki says. "The situation is unacceptable! In Basra, he threatens to take control of the ports, and in Baghdad, he's throwing my men out of their checkpoints. Would you allow the Bloods or the Crips to take over half of Los Angeles?" And as soon as he says that, we're trapped. It simply is not tenable for Petraeus to refuse a request for security assistance from the Prime Minister to deal with a radical militia."
Supporting the Iraqi Army would be a lot more palatable if it were, in fact, a genuinely national army, deployed in the interests of the nation as a whole. But it's being used as Maliki's militia, to eliminate his political opponents. And we're getting dragged in there with it. That is not at all OK.
When we consider the costs of staying in Iraq, we have to consider this as well.
(6) Training: The defection of some Iraqi army and police forces points up a fundamental problem with our project of training them. As I wrote back in 2005 (aargh):
"It is not at all obvious that training the Iraqi army will make it an effective army of the Iraqi government. Training the Iraqi army will increase its technical proficiency. But it will not make the Iraqi army loyal to the Iraqi government. If the army is to provide the Iraqi government with the means to enforce its will over militias and sectarian groups, its soldiers must be loyal to the government and not to those groups. Many of them are not, and all the training in the world will not solve this problem."
(7) Random detail I did not want to know: IraqSlogger reports (sub. req.; thank you for letting me read you, IraqSlogger!) that the gunmen who kidnapped the official spokesman for the Baghdad Security Plan yesterday were dressed in Interior Ministry uniforms, and arrived in official vehicles which are popularly known as 'Monicas'. Why?
"Slogger sources confirm that the "Monica" nickname for the official vehicles is widely known among Baghdadis, and is commonly understood as an uncouth reference to Monica Lewinsky, the Clinton White House intern who gained notoriety in a well-known sex scandal and congressional investigation.The term crudely likens the profile of the vehicles, which grow larger at the stern, to the former intern's physique at the time of the widely publicized events that dogged President Bill Clinton's second term in the late 1990s."
(8): Here's President Bush's take:
"Prime Minister Maliki's bold decision -- and it was a bold decision -- to go after the illegal groups in Basra shows his leadership, and his commitment to enforce the law in an even-handed manner. It also shows the progress the Iraqi security forces have made during the surge. Iraqi forces planned this operation and they deployed substantial extra forces for it. They're leading the operation. Prime Minister Maliki has traveled to Basra to oversee it firsthand.This offensive builds on the security gains of the surge, and demonstrates to the Iraqi people that their government is committed to protecting them."
Progress. Wow. Imagine what failure would be like.
(9) We are so screwed.
I'm not so sure this is bad news. I've been rooting for Maliki for a while now. He wants US forces out of Iraq now, which is what I want to. I think US forces stuffed the balot boxes in the last election to keep him from taking over, but they may not be able to pull that off next time.
Posted by: Frank | March 28, 2008 at 01:57 PM
It's ...
I was going to write "astonishing", but nothing is anymore. "Instructive" doesn't work, either since we all know this stuff already. Maybe "depressing"? OK, we'll go with that.
It's depressing that none of the pro-Bush echo chamber mentions that Maliki started this without consulting or even notifying the US, or stops to think for a second what it means that in this case, at least, American troops there are effectively under his command, not ours.
Posted by: Mike Schilling | March 28, 2008 at 01:58 PM
Frank: did you mean 'Sadr' when you wrote 'Maliki?
Mike S: I just updated with a link to a piece by Eric Martin, who says: don't be so sure we weren't informed. I think he's right (certainly to say skepticism is warranted.)
Posted by: hilzoy | March 28, 2008 at 02:07 PM
Hilzoy- Yah I meant Sadr. Oops I even scrolled up to cut and paste the name so I wouldn't mispell it.
Yeah if this leads to the collapse of the current Iraqi regime, and the exit of US forces we'll all be better off.
Posted by: Frank | March 28, 2008 at 02:16 PM
Gosh, if only there were a single, strong leader in Iraq who we could keep contained with regular inspections or something while he kept a lid on all these factions who want to kill each other.
Oh, wait...
Posted by: trilobite | March 28, 2008 at 02:41 PM
Yeah if this leads to the collapse of the current Iraqi regime, and the exit of US forces we'll all be better off.
Frank,
First a terminological nitpick - personally I would hesitate to use the phrase "better off" in connection with any of this. Least-bad outcomes are the most we can hope for IMHO.
Be careful what you wish for, re: Sadr coming out on top. His rhetoric in the past suggests he would offer greater resistance to Iranian influence in Iraq than most of the other Shiite parties. On the surface this sounds appealing from a US-centric standpoint if you view Iran as an enemy, but I think it might lead to greater trouble than we think.
If Sadr is successful in taking over and uniting Iraq it might revive the geopolitical rivalry between Iraq and Iran, with the additional wrinkle that both of them would then be competing for influence over and patronage ties with the other Shiite groups in the region (e.g., in Lebanon). This could be a very unstable combination, since the path-of-least-resistance strategy for winning a regional hearts and minds competition would be to stress their superior radicalism in confronting both the US and the Sunnis. Compare for example the Sino-Soviet split in the 1950’s, and the de-moderating effect this had on policy in Maoist China.
Having Iraq under the control of a Shiite party which is a dependable Iranian proxy may be less bad than the alternative, if establishing some sort of stable balance of power in the region is something we want.
Posted by: ThatLeftTurnInABQ | March 28, 2008 at 02:50 PM
LeftTurn- That wouldn't surprise me. I've been waiting for the middle east to get more representative of it's common folk, as the neocons promised, for years now. It's the one promise of theirs I think they will actually deliver on. Naturaly a more democratic middle east will be openly hostile to American interests.
Sometimes justice stings, but we can't live without it.
Posted by: Frank | March 28, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Hilzoy:
Amidst an excellent and clear sighted round up of events, I find this passage a bit puzzling:
While there was a respite from the worst of the civil war between last September and last month, it is hard to call pitched battles (with tanks and military aircraft bombing cities) between political factions over who will be better positioned in next Fall's elections anything other than a civil war.
If the Republican militias, the US army, and the occupying Iraqi army had just launched a massive tank and bomber attack on Cleveland, OH to try to break the back of the Democratic militia, and the Democratic militia in DC had responded by holding massive street protests and attacking the occupying troops there, I don't think we would be talking about how it might be possible that a civil war could start even before the Iraqi occupiers left. We would be talking about the current civil war.
Yes, the civil war just got worse, and it could get even worst still (either if we leave or if we stay), but it is a civil war right now, and has been for years.
Posted by: Charles S | March 28, 2008 at 03:15 PM
I'd like to ask everyone commenting here and writing on their own blogs or elsewhere to avoid using the phrase "uptick of violence".
First, the phrase is another in a long line of denatured euphemisms to keep us from facing what is happening in Iraq.
Second, the kinds of events for which the phrase might be appropriate are not the events of this week: U.S. planes bombing urban neighborhoods; militias firing RPGs at each other within city blocks; daily mortaring of the Green zone; the blowing up of a major export pipeline in the south; etc.
Posted by: Nell | March 28, 2008 at 03:18 PM
I could have lived without that bit from IraqSlogger. Color me skeptical; I imagine the term originated not with and was spread not by Iraqis but by the many Republicans populating the occupation -- in the Green Zone and out, and by the U.S. press.
The actual news from IS is very worth knowing, and I appreciate your passing it on:
the gunmen who kidnapped the official spokesman for the Baghdad Security Plan yesterday were dressed in Interior Ministry uniforms, and arrived in official vehicles.
Posted by: Nell | March 28, 2008 at 03:28 PM
Charles S.- Actually its really not. Its the Americans and a handfull of their hated puppets on one side, and the mass of the Iraqi people on the other.
I lifted this from balloon juice:
During the Second Battle of Fallujah, the US attacking forces were composed of a composite division as six battalions led the main attack, another battalion as a diversion force, and two battalions as local reserves. Additionally an Iraqi Army brigade was present as a mop-up/press release force. The defending forces would have been the equivlant of two or three battalions of light infantry and local insurgents/neighborhood militias. Fallujah was a city of roughly 300,00 residents before the assault. And this assualt was supported by theatre level artillery and air support. And despite this large armored and heavy infantry force with excellent air support, plenty of helicopter mobility and firepower, superior logistics, the defending force was able to inflict heavy absolute and proportional casualties—- roughly 10% of the US force was wounded or killed, and many infantry companies saw 30% to 50% casualty levels.
The Iraqi Army force in Basra is a single division of lightly supported infantry with some US/UK locally controlled air support, minimal artillery, minimal aviation support. Basra is a city of 2.6 million people (2003) and it is overwhelmingly Shi’ite. If one assumes that one half of one percent of the male population are available to be called up for Mahdi Army fighting units, the defenders have numerical parity with the attacking force. That is never a good thing, especially when the defenders are on their own grounds, fighting from prepared positions in dense urban networks and have higher morale and more firepower than the attackers.
I forget where I was reading about the Iraqi soldier getting rid of their uniforms, keeping their rifles and switching sides, but you all should be used to hearing stories like that by now.
What I can't figure out is why Maliki and the government forces felt they had to initiate such a hopeless attack. Maybe Bush pushed them, but that seems unikely, all the pushing has gone the other way for the past few years. My best guess is that the collaborators feel their only hope is to make the Americans kill as many of their enemies as possible while they still have Americans around.
I better get going. Later.
Posted by: Frank | March 28, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I agree with Eric Martin. The administration saw this coming. There were reports weeks ago that Basra was out of control and that Maliki was thinking of going in. I don't think it's a coincidence that both McCain and Cheney conveniently happened into Iraq a week before the carnage.
Posted by: sophie brown | March 28, 2008 at 03:50 PM
"Prime Minister Maliki's bold decision -- and it was a bold decision -- to go after the illegal groups in Basra shows his leadership, and his commitment to enforce the law in an even-handed manner. It also shows the progress the Iraqi security forces have made during the surge. Iraqi forces planned this operation and they deployed substantial extra forces for it. They're leading the operation. Prime Minister Maliki has traveled to Basra to oversee it firsthand.
This offensive builds on the security gains of the surge, and demonstrates to the Iraqi people that their government is committed to protecting them."
In fairness to Bush, almost everything he said here is true (just not in the way he meant). "even-handed" is about the only factually challenged part. Read it again with intercalated footnotes:
"Prime Minister Maliki's bold decision -- and it was a bold decision
[bold and wise are not the same thing]
-- to go after the illegal
[the militias were not sanctioned via a formal process like elections, which does not change the fact that in some locations they may be much more popular and enjoy greater informal legitimacy than Maliki's govt.]
groups in Basra shows his leadership
[i.e., this was his stupid idea]
, and his commitment to enforce the law in an even-handed manner
[this is the BS part]
. It also shows the progress the Iraqi security forces have made during the surge
[which is to say very little progress at all]
. Iraqi forces planned this operation
[something we may all soon regret]
and they deployed substantial extra forces for it
[which means that if it fails they are in deep fertilizer]
. They're leading the operation
[in other words we are being led around by the nose]
. Prime Minister Maliki has traveled to Basra to oversee it firsthand.
This offensive builds on the security gains of the surge
[which were slim to none]
, and demonstrates to the Iraqi people that their government is committed to protecting them."
[He doesn't say protecting them from what. Perhaps the pernicious economic effects of too much oil revenue.]
Posted by: ThatLeftTurnInABQ | March 28, 2008 at 03:55 PM
Frank: I've been waiting for the middle east to get more representative of it's common folk, as the neocons promised, for years now. It's the one promise of theirs I think they will actually deliver on.
I'm gobsmacked. I mean:
1. Sure, the neocons talk a lot about democracy, but in practice they never support democracy, because a democratic government won't reliably support US interests over the interests of the people who elected it.
2. Even if the neocons did support democracy for the Middle East, instead of just talking about it, they have no way to "deliver".
3. While it is to be hoped that countries which are run by a largely unrepresentative government become more representative, there are plenty of other countries in the Middle East which have less democratic governments than Iran: Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, for two.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | March 28, 2008 at 03:56 PM
"It's going to take awhile, but it's a necessary part of the development of a free society,"
-President George Bush
“Of Mohammedan good faith we have had memorable examples ourselves. When our gallant Decatur had chastised the pirate of Algiers, till he was ready to renounce his claim of tribute from the United States, he signed a treaty to that effect; but the treaty was drawn up in the Arabic language, as well as our own; and our negotiators, unacquainted with the language of the Koran, signed the copies of the treaty in both languages, not imagining that there was any difference between them. Within a year the Dey demands, under penalty of the renewal of the war, an indemnity in money for the frigate taken by Decatur: our Consul demands the foundation of this pretension; and the Arabic copy of the treaty, signed by himself, is produced, with an article stipulating the indemnity foisted into it, in direct opposition to the treaty as it had been concluded. The arrival of Chauncey with a squadron before Algiers silenced the fraudulent claim of the Dey, and he signed a new treaty, in which it was abandoned, but he distained to conceal his intentions.
“My power,” said he, “has been wrested from my hands; draw ye the treaty at your pleasure, and I will sign it; but beware of the moment when I shall recover my power, for with that moment your treaty shall be waste-paper.” He avowed what Mohammedans have always practised, and what he would without scruple have practised himself.
Such has been the uniform character of the Ottoman Porte towards their Russian neighbors; and such is the spirit which governs the hearts of men, to whom violence and treachery are taught as principles of religion.”
-John Quincy Adams’ words from a more intelligent time, keyed in from the Cornell archives:
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/pageviewer?root=%2Fmoa%2Fusde%2Fusde0036%2F&tif=00395.TIF&cite=http%3A%2F%2Fcdl.library.cornell.edu%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmoa%2Fmoa-cgi%3Fnotisid%3DAGD1642-0036-95&coll=moa&frames=1&view=50
Posted by: Brick Oven Bill | March 28, 2008 at 04:07 PM
Frank: "While there was a respite from the worst of the civil war between last September and last month, it is hard to call pitched battles (with tanks and military aircraft bombing cities) between political factions over who will be better positioned in next Fall's elections anything other than a civil war."
That this is a civil war, occurring while our troops are there, was sort of my point. I probably should have been clearer.
Posted by: hilzoy | March 28, 2008 at 04:37 PM
Any chance that Charles Bird will show up in this thread and explain why American strategy is working in Iraq?
Posted by: Francis | March 28, 2008 at 05:21 PM
Any chance that Charles Bird will show up in this thread and explain why American strategy is working in Iraq?
I just had a look at Redstate and could not find a single article or blog about Iraq. So what is happening there cannot be of any importance.
Posted by: Yukoner | March 28, 2008 at 06:31 PM
So what is happening there cannot be of any importance.
Where, Iraq or RedState?
Posted by: russell | March 28, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Frank, before you get too enthusiastic about Sadr and the Madhi Army, don't forget that before their cease-fire they were responsible for the bulk of the sectarian cleansing. They were the ones who killed any man of military age whose name sounded too Sunni (up to 100 a night). They were also the ones who drove power drills through their rivals' skulls. So don't let their talk of national unity fool you.
Posted by: Enlightened Layperson | March 28, 2008 at 07:07 PM
Yes, everyone meant Sadr 'cause we don't want to be demoically possessed by luciferian females who don't like guys, you know, for, like, making babies or whatever.
The US is always going to be there for support. There is no way around it.
The civil war is the division of Iraq. The US started to agree with that kind of.
Posted by: LHY | March 28, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Of course the US was notified of the offensive beforehand - Americans drove them to Basra. The Iraqi government does not have the capability to mobilise and maintain in the field 20-30k fighters. end of.
Yes, Cheney gave the go ahead. As I wrote in the other thread on this subject a few days ago, I suspect Ahmedinajad gave Baghad the go ahead to move against Sadr when he visited (or in the wake of). Washington is over the barrel - help Maliki do this thing, or watch the Iraqi government openly go over to the Iranians (which they effectively have anyway) before Bush has even left the White House. So what can you do? Help them do this thing, keep them sorta onside for a while, do as they always done: hope tomorrow is better.
Shoulda courted Sadr from the beginning.
Posted by: byrningman | March 28, 2008 at 10:58 PM
i reckon.
Posted by: byrningman | March 28, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Wait, the surge isn't working?
WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME!
Posted by: How Insane Is John McCain? | March 29, 2008 at 01:11 AM
The Sadrists have been pretty vicious so we don't want them to win. On the other hand the government Shias are almost Iranian puppets. Quite a dilemma. Pretty bizarre that the US Army is taking sides so strongly.
Posted by: Curt Adams | March 29, 2008 at 02:10 AM
Peripherally,The Torture Team by Scott">http://snipurl.com/22wg7">Scott Horton. I haven’t yet been able to bear reading it all the way through.
Posted by: felix culpa | March 29, 2008 at 02:43 AM
Weblink's broken, but this one works: Scott Horton: The Torture Team.
I agree with every word of it except the very last sentence.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | March 29, 2008 at 03:01 AM
Thanks, Jes.
Posted by: felix culpa | March 29, 2008 at 07:03 AM
Hilzoy, thank you for the post and all the links
Posted by: davidp | March 29, 2008 at 10:58 AM
A somewhat different viewpoint--
Link
Posted by: Donald Johnson | March 29, 2008 at 11:51 AM
Muqtada al-Sadr nails it . (via TPM)
Which kinda exposes, IMHO, the whole "Basra Offensive" for what it is: an attempt to eliminate any signifciant Shiite rivals of the ISCI/Dawa/Maliki bloc: i.e. any of those who might be overtly anti-American or (at the least) anti-Occupation. Hence the obsessive US frame of the whole mess as a simplistic Good Guys-vs-Bad Guys struggle - with us, of course, supporting the Good Guys (i.e. the "legitimate Government") vs the sinister, black-turbaned "rogue cleric with private militia" Sadr.
This puerile interpretation, of course, ignores most of the political realities on the ground in Iraq - but then, after five years of incompetent BS from the Bush gang, why should this be news?
Posted by: Jay C | March 29, 2008 at 03:22 PM
Arthur Silber: Morality, Justice and Life Destroyed: Lies and Slaughter Without End
Posted by: Jesurgislac | March 29, 2008 at 06:54 PM
Of course the US was notified of the offensive beforehand - Americans drove them to Basra. The Iraqi government does not have the capability to mobilise and maintain in the field 20-30k fighters. end of.
Jeez byrnie, I hadn't even thought of that. Adding in an update.
Posted by: Eric Martin | March 30, 2008 at 01:57 PM
from swimming freestyle on al Sadr's call to the Mahdi Army to lay down their weapons:
"So, who did win this week? It's probably fair to say losers don't issue demands and winners don't accept those demands so readily.
http://swimmingfreestyle.typepad.com
Posted by: Jay McDonough | March 30, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Eric: More from The Independent:
Posted by: matttbastard | March 30, 2008 at 02:11 PM
Thanks Matt.
Posted by: Eric Martin | March 30, 2008 at 02:35 PM
Well, that explains why the Brits stayed back at the base...
FUBAR (in a word).
Posted by: felix culpa | March 30, 2008 at 10:57 PM