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January 03, 2008

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Sorry: when I started writing my post, you hadn't posted this; by the time I posted it, you had, but stupid me didn't look. :(

Does anyone think there's any chance of Edwards being Obama's Veep, with a cabinet position? I think it would be a pretty compelling combo, could be styled on the Kennedy brothers...

Obama "wins." Sweet.

Less sweet, Romney whooped.

More to come.

Not meaning to offend, but I'm missing the point of this post. Are you under the impression we lack access to this news?

What are we expected to learn from this post? What was the point? Is it directed at people without connection to the internet, radio, and tv?

"Does anyone think there's any chance of Edwards being Obama's Veep, with a cabinet position? "

Er, isn't the Veep already part of the cabinet?

Cheney demonstrated that the VP can be granted significant (or in his case excessive and dangerous) power.

Edwards as VP could be given a smidge more power than Gore had, and the task of being sort of a Democratic whip to actively push Congress, monitoring and guiding the regulatory agencies and managing their repair and dewingnutting, and generally keeping an eye open for injustices to be rectified.

And I'm very very sure that Hilzoy owes no apology for having already gotten out a thoughtful and detailed, and quick, analytic post. I'm also sure she hardly needs to declare herself "stupid" for doing the smart analysis.

"Not meaning to offend, but I'm missing the point of this post"

I believe it's an example of the expression of a very brief opinion. I hear that's been done on the internet on occasion.

Are you reading this on a teletype?

"Er, isn't the Veep already part of the cabinet?"

No.

Traditionally, and constitionally, the Cabinet of the U.S. is made up of the Secretaries of the departments of the Executive Branch of the U.S. government as constituted by Congress.

In recent decades, various presidents have expanded and contracted at whim whom they granted Cabinet rank in the sense of whom could attend and speak at meetings of the Cabinet, but at no time has the Veep ever been legally, Constitutionally, or traditionally part of the Cabinet.

After a couple of hundred years, Jimmy Carter started to include Walter Mondale at meetings. Not exactly a long tradition.

But that doesn't mean that Mondale, or any Veep, became a member of the Cabinet.

Traditionally, a member of the Cabinet in the U.S. government is appointed by and serves at the pleasure of the President.

Definitionally, arguably, the Vice-President can never be an actual member of the Cabinet, rather than attend meetings, or even chair them.

Checking, Wikipedia asserts:

[...] The United States Cabinet (usually simplified as "the Cabinet") is composed of the most senior appointed officers of the executive branch of the federal government of the United States [....]
And then details the Constitution on the Cabinet. No mention of the Veep as a member of the Cabinet. The Veep is not one of "the principal officer[s] in each of the executive departments."

Er, since you asked.

"Er, since you asked."

Thanks Gary.

I'm not sure what a cabinet post would add for a VP, given that Cheney has had more power than most of Bush's cabinet benchwarmers.

I should doubtless add that the Cabinet isn't precisely in the Constitution -- the "executive officers of the principal departments" are, but that's not exactly the same thing, as there is no reference to an organized body, and that the Cabinet has otherwise generally been organized by executive order, which is how the president favors some with attendence in some administrations, and not in others (such as UN ambassador, administrator of the EPA, and so on), typically as a political gesture, either towards an individual appointee, or towards the interests they represent.

A cabinet post for a Veep would be constitutionally prohibited, actually, since no one can serve in two branches of government, other than the admittedly unique and odd position of Vice-President, about which while Cheney's claims were ludicrously strained and exaggerated, it is unique in having a position both in the Senate, and as successor in the Executive branch.

I should doubtless add that the Cabinet isn't precisely in the Constitution -- the "executive officers of the principal departments" are, but that's not exactly the same thing, as there is no reference to an organized body -- and that the Cabinet has otherwise generally been organized by executive order, which is how the president favors some with attendence in some administrations, and not in others (such as UN ambassador, administrator of the EPA, and so on), typically as a political gesture, either towards an individual appointee, or towards the interests they represent.

A cabinet post for a Veep would be constitutionally prohibited, actually, since no one can serve in two branches of government, other than the admittedly unique and odd position of Vice-President, about which while Cheney's claims were ludicrously strained and exaggerated, it is unique in having a position both in the Senate, and as successor in the Executive branch.

But the veep still couldn't constitutionally be appointed to run an Executive department, no more than the Veep could also be appointed to SCOTUS. Not while still holding both offices, that is.

As for Edwards getting the Veep nod again, I'd put that in the "very unlikely" pile. There's a decent amount of consensus that he underperformed as Kerry's VP choice, at least amongst the pols and pundits; moreover, it's not even clear whether he would accept the job.

Maybe Obama should pick Mrs. Edwards for Veep.

Gary: my assumption was that publius was trying to get out a thread in which we could discuss this, as was I; not trying to replace the Associated Press. I just should have double-checked before hitting Publish.

I am VERY happy with tonight. This is a great win for Obama.

Iowa is 96% white

Obama won the female vote 35-30 over Hillary.

Great speech. One of his best.

and even better, 220K Dems showed up - compared to just 115K Reps.

Well I don't know if he'd be interested, but he might go for it if they agreed that he would be a legitimate junior partner in the administration, maybe. I just think the combo of a young JFK-esque black guy and a passionate young southern guy is unbeatable in contemporary America. Only Edwards would make Obama seem less young, presumably his major weakness. Together, they would make McCain seem like a nice old granddad, but out of touch and past his sell-by date. Finally, they would surely rock the South, especially given that the economy will probably be in bad shape by then.

I don't know if it's feasible, I'm just saying, that would be my dream team. And I do think Obama would be wise to choose a young dynamic running-mate, rather than going for someone older.

Right - just getting the thread out. No apology necessary (here or ever - :)

i don't think it's possible (edwards as veep). obama would need to pick someone who brings more experience (a cheney to his bush, if you will).

i keep hearing webb thrown out there, which i think would be a good pick

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