by hilzoy
While I was off being busy, I kept meaning to comment on the Blackwater story, but never found the time. It seems pretty clear to me that the main problem is not individual trigger-happy contractors but a larger structural point: the absence of any legal framework for holding contractors accountable*. This is something the administration and Congress could have and should have tried to remedy long before now, but even though Rep. David Price and Sen. Barack Obama introduced legislation to do this months ago, Congress has not yet acted**, and the administration seems to have had no interest in this question at all.
More importantly, though, the Blackwater episode makes it clear that whenever someone proposes privatizing something, we need to think hard about what privatization would mean in the specific case under discussion, rather than just assuming that privatization is good or bad, period. Privatization is not a one-size-fits-all solution to all our problems. I am all in favor of the private operation of, say, supermarkets, and if they were presently run by the government, I would be all for privatizing them. But introducing private soldiers into a war zone is a different matter entirely. They are not governed by the laws that govern the military. They do not have the same mission as the military, and when (for instance) the best way to ensure that a diplomat gets from point A to point B safely is to shoot anyone who gets in their way, they have no need to ask themselves whether this might run counter to America's overall strategy or interests. In this case, privatization seems like a straightforwardly bad idea.
To illustrate the importance of paying attention to the details, here's an excerpt from Betraying Our Troops: The Destructive Results of Privatizing War, by Dina Rasor and Robert Bauman. It's about how one rather important difference between private contractors and soldiers -- that private contractors can engage in work stoppages while soldiers cannot -- almost caused very serious problems for our troops. This is exactly the sort of detail that people ought to think about when they're asking whether or not some function should be privatized. Unfortunately, this administration seems to treat it as a given that privatization is a good thing no matter what. Here's how this attitude almost got out soldiers into serious trouble.
"The Army's logistics contract manager at the camp could not believe what he was hearing. A KBR manager reponsible for supplying the troops in this camp with fod, water, and all other services and supplies had just threatened to stop KBR's work at Camp Speicher -- to stop cooking and feeding the troops, to stop supplying the troops outside the base -- unless the Army paid KBR's submitted invoices.Granted, his company, KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton, was operating "at risk" by overrunning its budgeted spending and had been late in sending its invoices to the Army. And the Army was slow in paying becasue of its concerns over the accuracy of the company's invoices. Even so, the KBR manager had just threatened the Army brass that his employees were going to stay in their housing containers and do nothing until the money was paid. Essentially, this would amount to a work stoppage, or labor strike, on the battlefield -- perhaps the Army's biggest fear regarding the Pentagon's new experiment of having private contractors supply the basic needs of its troops on the battlefield.
The Army manager and his assistant wondered if KBR could really do this. If soldiers or officers tried to pull this same stunt in the old Army, the general would court-martial them, and they could be sent to prison. However, according to federal contracting rules, a company has the right to stop work if that company is risking a large amount of its own money and the government is unable to pay due to funding problems. Clearly, wartime conditions should be an exception when soldiers' lives are on the line, but there is no legal basis for a general to force a company's employees to work beyond the contracting rules. The company or its employees can stop work or go home, and there is nothing that military commanders can do about it, except seek drawn-out legal-contract remedies in the courts back in the United States.
The Army logistics contract manager and the camp's general officer faced the disaster of having to explain to their men, their superior officers, and the public that there might not be any food, water, or other vital supplies the next day because the Army didn't have a backup plan. Since the Army had outsources these traditionally Army-provided services to one company, they did not have any choice. The Army was short of troops, so there were no back-up soldiers to take on these tasks.
KBR ended up working the next day because the Army ultimately relented and agreed to come up with new money to pay its invoices. But this was not the first or last time the company would threaten the Army with work stoppages. It was like negotiating with the only plumber within a thousand miles when your basement is filling with water. KBR was in the driver's seat, and the company knew it."
Private contractors are subject to different legal requirements than soldiers, and they have different sets of incentives to do their jobs. A competent administration would consider, in each case, whether it made more sense to use private contractors or soldiers for a given function, rather than just assuming that the more privatization, the better. This is just one more reason why we should elect Presidents not on the basis of whether we would like to have a beer with them, or whether or not hey seem stiff or sigh audibly during debates, but whether or not they would appoint competent people who will do their jobs well, and who will bring experience and wisdom to their work. I very much hope that we have learned this lesson, since our troops, not to mention the citizens of Iraq, depend on it.
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UPDATES:
* As various commenters pointed out, the claim that there is no legal framework for holding contractors accountable overstates the case. In fact, there are several overlapping, and possibly conflicting, legal frameworks that might or might not be applicable in various cases, but that have not been widely used, and that seem in any case to leave some rather large areas uncovered or at least ambiguous. See here, here, here, and here for good summaries. (The last one is from 2004, so it's a bit dated.) (h/t kcindc, kcindc, Gary Farber, and katherine.)
Not that it matters to the perpetrators of the September 16 shootings, since the State Department seems to have given them immunity.
** As Nell pointed out, the House has passed Rep. Price's legislation.
Here's a post on the same subject from old, missing-of-late-from-here friend jrudkis who's in Iraq as we type. I don't have a well-thought-out opinion of my own that I wish share, but I figured his opinion might be of interest.
Posted by: hairshirthedonist | October 29, 2007 at 01:22 PM
The usual argument for privatization invokes the advantages of the market, where inefficiencies are driven out by competition, as many providers compete for the money from many consumers. But here we have a single consumer and a single provider (once the contract is given--and it becomes hard to revoke it and change while fighting). So, monopoly meets monopsony: no market at all.
Posted by: DCA | October 29, 2007 at 01:28 PM
One of attributes of this administration that's been crippling our war efforts is it's appalling ignorance of history.
"Private" armies have been tried before. It's no coincidence that some of the oldest regiments in European armies date their histories back to the Sixteenth Century when the private-contractor model of raising regiments started to give way to the "royal" model of government-sponsored units.
Likewise, until around 1800, it was common practice to PRIVATIZE hauling artillery to the battlefield. It was considered a great reform to make soldiers out of the teamsters, resulting in much greater battlefield efficiency.
While it may seem attractive to outsource all the support jobs such as mechanics, cooks and clerks to civilians, in the long run it's a mistake. Sure, in routine operations there's no advantage to having solider cooks over cheaper local hire civilians. But the Army has to be able to operate in decidely non-routine, high stress situations, too. And that's when its handy that the cook can also be a rifleman.
All this is even MORE true when one considers actual combat roles. However much it may be open to debate that using a third-country national as a cook may sometimes be worthwhile, it seems clearly inappropriate to use them in combat roles.
Posted by: Seth Owen | October 29, 2007 at 01:37 PM
"I am all in favor of the private operation of, say, supermarkets, and if they were presently run by the government, I would be all for privatizing them."
hilzoy for Chief of Pennsylvania's Liquor Control Board!
Posted by: Dantheman | October 29, 2007 at 02:11 PM
Confederate General Forrest said that the key to winning battles was to get there "Firstest with the mostest." And "mostest" is not just soldiers but food and shelter and all the other support they need. Logistics is not a sideshow but is the heart of warfare.
To "outsource" field logistics strikes me as a bad idea. Imagine a mess-hall or motor-pool contractor saying it was "too dangerous" to send its staff into a certain area. That stops the battle right there. Figuratively-speaking, the military doesn't have to go so far as to own the forests from which it makes masts and spars (as did the British Navy) but how do you like the idea of military bases being run by private enterprise? Or of naval ships in a battle zone being supplied with oil private oil tankers?
It seems to me that if you accept the need for a military then its field operations become as self-contained as possible and subject to military discipline.
Posted by: Dave Sucher | October 29, 2007 at 02:15 PM
There's an ugly parallel between "enemy combatants", who fit no recognized legal category and thus have no legal rights, and "military contractors", who fit no recognized legal category and thus have no legal accountability.
Posted by: Mike Schilling | October 29, 2007 at 02:16 PM
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I understood that the House had passed a version of David Price's legislation on October 4. Erik Prince's Ollie North-like manner in his appearance before the Waxman committee may well have helped move it along.
My impression was that it not only clarified that private contractors (including private military/private security/mercenaries/insert locution of choice) are subject to the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act and thus prosecution in U.S. courts, but also provides for an FBI investigative capacity that would make it somewhat more realistic that such cases would end up being brought.
That the Iraqi government has taken at least the first step in repealing the colonial-occupier edict that gave contractors immunity under Iraqi law should light a fire under the Senate to pass legislation to complete the job begun in the House.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 02:28 PM
"It seems pretty clear to me that the main problem is not individual trigger-happy contractors but a larger structural point: the absence of any legal framework for holding contractors accountable. "
How do you know that wasn't by design?
Posted by: The Other Steve | October 29, 2007 at 02:44 PM
@hilzoy: You might want to update to note the House bill's passage.
The link in my comment above goes into specifics. (Found it late in the posting process, so didn't update the 'my impression was' language in the comment).
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 02:56 PM
My plumber arrives at the house accompanied by several Blackwater mercenaries and proceeds to roto-rooter my bank account.
Were I elected President, I would have my "private army" raid Blackwater training sites around the country, just to see what happens.
Then we'll all sit down at a table and discuss how wonderful privatization is.
I would also dismiss the Secret Service and contract the duties out to my own private security force. I would have them give dirty looks to the privatizers in Congress as I entered to tell them what's new in my first State of the Union address.
Posted by: John Thullen | October 29, 2007 at 03:01 PM
@The Other Steve: Hilzoy's phrasing doesn't commit her to a position on whether the lack of a framework for holding contractors accountable was by design (made it happen), by default (let it happen), or unfortunate circumstances (it just happened!).
Just as with the invasion itself and the situation now facing the Iraqi people and the region, parceling out the intentions and responsibilities is tough business: lots of support for whatever one's inclined to believe, lots of room for clashing interpretations due to giving different degrees of benefit of the doubt.
I'm with the Blackwater are-stone-cold-killers-because-impunity-was-built-in school, but I'm not expecting anyone here to share that view. Helpful forewarning for reading my blog posts on the subject, though; I don't give paramilitaries the benefit of the doubt no matter who they are and who hires them.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 03:12 PM
If I were elected president I'd yank the Blackwater contracts so fast Erik Prince wouldn't even have time to curl his lip and stick his jaw out.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 03:15 PM
As so often, a much-appreciated laugh from JT's vivid, instructive imagery.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 03:18 PM
If I were elected President, I'd use the Blackwater mercenaries to deliver Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and other international criminals, to the International Criminal Court for detention until trial.
The lower ranks - mercenaries and military - could be offered a choice between confessing all, honestly, fully, and openly... or prosecution. But I can't see that working for the monsters at the top.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | October 29, 2007 at 03:37 PM
Introducing mercenaries to the US military efforts brings all of the negative elements that you have raised to the fore.
But these mercenaries bring market forces to bear as well. There is now at work in the US economy, an element that depends upon the use of force to generate income.
Like other elements of our economy, this one forms a new political constituency, located conveniently near Washington for easy access to the halls of power. Mercenaries with lobbyists, and political action committees.
The US mercenaires do 'work' for other governments as well, in the Mideast and elsewhere.
And, if that weren't enough, these entities employ enforcers largely made up of US citizens, who will return to their homes in this country when their tours end. What will they do for a living?
Nightmares in four or five dimensions.
Posted by: Porcupine_Pal | October 29, 2007 at 03:53 PM
If I were elected President, I'd use the Blackwater mercenaries to deliver Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and other international criminals, to the International Criminal Court for detention until trial.
The ICC would have to send them back.
Posted by: dutchmarbel | October 29, 2007 at 04:45 PM
The ICC would have to send them back.
They're all wanted for crimes committed in Afghanistan and in various CIA "black sites" in European countries which are signatory to the ICC. The ICC might want to send them back, but it wouldn't have to. Crimes committed in Bagram Airbase can be prosecuted by the ICC.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | October 29, 2007 at 04:57 PM
"There's an ugly parallel between "enemy combatants", who fit no recognized legal category and thus have no legal rights, and "military contractors", who fit no recognized legal category and thus have no legal accountability."
Are you trying to imply more by that comment or are you only claiming that the problem is they have no legal accountability?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought enemy combatants did have legal accountability? We may not agree with the terms of it but it is there. How many enemy combatants has the US burned and hung up in the streets?
For someone reason I thought all US citizens were accountable under US law. Except for Bush and Cheney of course.
Maybe you are just trying to make some kind of ugly comparison between the two. Inquiring minds want to know, are Blackwater employees comparable to enemy combatants to you?
Does anyone know if these "mercenaries" are being forced into this work?
What will the do for a living afterwards is a great question? Possibly just go around killing innocent people? Maybe get a job. Who knows?
Does everyone here believe that the Blackwater employees are just hired mercenaries?
Which definition fits best. We could apply the first definition but wouldn't that make anyone with a job a mercenary? I don't think they are serving in a foreign army. Hireling does work for them and the rest of us.
Maybe someone smarter than myself could provide a better definition for mercenary.
Posted by: for | October 29, 2007 at 05:01 PM
Do I need to expand on what I said? Very well. People declared enemy combatants by the executive branch are given neither normal Constitutional protections nor those that apply under the Geneva conventions. They can be detained indefinitely, interrogated harshly, even tortured, and have no standing to challenge any of it. The result is an extension of executive power without boundaries.
Military contractors operating in Iraq are not subject neither to the UCMJ nor to American or Iraqi civil law; in fact, as Hilzoy points out, their is no legal framework whatsoever holding them accountable for their actions. Since they work for the military or executive branch departments (e.g. State), the result is again an extension of executive power without boundaries.
Posted by: Mike Schilling | October 29, 2007 at 05:20 PM
They may be subject to U.S. civil suits, actually.
Posted by: Katherine | October 29, 2007 at 05:33 PM
"People declared enemy combatants by the executive branch are given neither normal Constitutional protections nor those that apply under the Geneva conventions."
Mike, you're referring here to the category of "enemy combatants," which is to say, uniformed soldiers, rather than "illegal enemy combatants," about which all the controversy is about.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 05:36 PM
"Military contractors operating in Iraq are not subject neither to the UCMJ"
Wait, what?
Are you sure?
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 05:43 PM
Is there a post/article/something somewhere that explains in summary form the various categories of belligerent under the laws of armed warfare and compares it to what the Bush administration says it can and can't do?
Posted by: Ugh | October 29, 2007 at 05:44 PM
Hilzoy: "...the absence of any legal framework for holding contractors accountable."
Hilzoy?
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 05:45 PM
This fresh National Law Journal piece seems relevant.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 05:54 PM
David Luban and Laura Dickinson at Balkinization wrote about contractor accountability and some of the problems in applying the UCMJ, but it does look like Hilzoy has overstated the situation.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 29, 2007 at 05:57 PM
The controversy over the prolific use of mercenaries by the US has one enormous elephant in the room. It follows from the fact that we do not have a sufficient number of military personnel to conduct this war, in even the present half-assed manner, without doubling our personnel though contractors.
We have a volunteer military unless a draft is instituted. It is evident that this war does not have enough support from our citizens to either elicit enough volunteers nor provide the political capital necessary to institute a draft.
It seems to me that the use of mercenaries undermines the gravity and sacrifice of military action by obviating the need for an honest commitment by the citizens of this nation. This makes it far too easy to make the decision to go to and remain at war.
Posted by: Andrew | October 29, 2007 at 06:09 PM
On the subject of accountability.
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov | October 29, 2007 at 06:14 PM
There are Constitutional and other concerns with having contractors, civilian or military, held accountable through the UCMJ, starting with the fact that they aren't connected with the chain of military command.
That's why the recent House legislation (and the prospective Senate version) makes all private contractors, civilian and military/security, subject to the MEJA and U.S. civilian courts.
Hilzoy's characterization of the situation pre-September 16, 2007 is perfect accurate in practice, though: no contractor had ever had charges brought through military courts or in U.S. courts through MEJA, though in theory both applied. (Something asserted on Democracy Now in late September by Doug Brooks, founder and director of the mercs' trade association, the International Peace Operations Assn, in answer to the question "where is the accountability?"
This past January Brooks apparently had a different view, when it came out that a drunk Blackwater off-duty para had killed Iraqi VP Abdel al-Mahdi's bodyguard after a Christmas party in the Green Zone; back then he asserted that neither the UCMJ or MEJA would apply to the Blackwater "contractor".
So I say Hilzoy's got a point; there was certainly no agreed-on legal framework.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 06:16 PM
The question that has not yet been addressed here is how to replace the contractors and what they do? I am referring less to the egregious Blackwater and their ilk, and more to the service providers who feed the troops and operate the camps and logistical trains.
Previously, all this had been by the troops themselves (KP anyone?), resulting in a rather massive "tail" of noncombatant units. If this aspect of privatization is removed, the already strapped military will have to recruit even more soldiers, very few of whom will be in combat.
Posted by: Tom S | October 29, 2007 at 06:17 PM
"Military contractors operating in Iraq are not subject neither to the UCMJ"
Wait, what?
Are you sure?
No, at this point I'm sure of pretty much nothing. I apparently overstated, but I can't combine all of the articles that have been cited into any sort of agreement. The news article says in so many words that UCMJ has applied to contractors since January. but the one about UCMJ, SMTJ, and MEJA says the UCMJ doesn't apply to civilians, period.
Posted by: Mike Schilling | October 29, 2007 at 06:31 PM
Here's the Democracy Now interview with Brooks of the IPOA, the merc PR and trade association.
Here's Brooks in January after the Green Zone killing, disagreeing that UCMJ would apply (this was after Lindsey Graham pushed through an amendment to do that). Oh, and I misremembered the Iraqi VP's name; it's Adel Abdul Mahdi. I regret to say I haven't yet encountered the name of his murdered guard in English-language coverage.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 06:32 PM
--The UCMJ thing is not retroactive.
--I doubt it would apply to the state department's contractors.
--There may be serious constitutional issues.
--I'd distinguish between theoretical mechanisms for holding contractors accountable & mechanisms that prosecutors, civilian or military, are willing & able to actually use. There are various theoretical ways to hold contractors accountable but none really has a proven track record.
There was a recent change in the UCMJ to make it apply to contractors, but it's not clear that applying that would withstand constitutional scrutiny or how that really works at all for people who aren't in the chain of command & don't have a commanding officer to initiate proceedings.
There are other criminal laws, like MEJA (others as well--I'm drawing a blank). David Passaro, a CIA contractor in Afghanistan, has been prosecuted & convicted for beating an Afghan prisoner to death. But in general, the track record of federal prosecutors investigating & prosecuting contractors is extremely weak--a lot of cases have languished, due to a combination of unclear jurisdiction, logistical difficulties, & (above all) lack of prosecutorial will. It's impossible to say how much suceess a DOJ not run by Alberto Gonzales could have in using MEJA or other criminal statutes to hold contractors accountable. The State Department running around granting everyone immunity before the FBI investigation begins doesn't help either.
It's possible to try suing them in American courts. The families of U.S. soldiers & contractor employees have filed some wrongful death cases. There are currently suits pending against Titan & CACI by former Abu Ghraib prisoners, and a recently filed case against Blackwater by relatives of those killed at Nisour Square. Whether those suceed, remains to be seen.
It's possible that Iraq is really serious about revoking immunity, though that would raise its own problems.
Obama's bill seems promising, but there are certain functions that I think just shouldn't be outsourced to anyone not subject to a military chain of command.
Posted by: katherine | October 29, 2007 at 06:38 PM
Good backgrounder from HRW here.
Posted by: katherine | October 29, 2007 at 06:44 PM
The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month's deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned.
What??!!
Who the hell gave them the power to make any such promise?
Add another seventeen counts to the overloaded off-the-table impeachment.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 06:55 PM
I remembered meeting someone from the International Peace Operations Association at the open house for the Campaign for America's Future's new offices earlier this year. I thought at the time it was a little strange for him to be there, since it certainly sounded from his description like the association didn't actually have much to do with peace. Now fumbling through the pile of business cards on my desk I see that it was indeed Doug Brooks.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 29, 2007 at 07:04 PM
Link for Nell's quote.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 29, 2007 at 07:08 PM
Sorry, meant to note that was from Bernard Yomtov's link at 6:14 (same AP story as KC linked).
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 07:15 PM
They're all wanted for crimes committed in Afghanistan and in various CIA "black sites" in European countries which are signatory to the ICC. The ICC might want to send them back, but it wouldn't have to. Crimes committed in Bagram Airbase can be prosecuted by the ICC.
True. But my fantasy is still that they had to account for ALL crimes.
And maybe after that a good investigation into all the missing money. I remember from the 'food for oil' scandal how livid the rightwingers were about the lack of oversight and how they mostly felt that Koffi Annan bore the ultimate responsibility. Knowing how much they care about how all money budgetted should reach Iraqi's they must love a comparison to show how much better the US handled that.
Posted by: dutchmarbel | October 29, 2007 at 07:25 PM
@KCinDC: I cannot recommend strongly enough that everyone read the reporting of David Phinney at http://davidphinney.com and The Rough Cut.
His account of Doug Brooks' founding of IPOA is most intriguing. (I'm disturbed but not surprised to hear of him hanging about at a CAF event. Hell, CAF invited Colombia's Uribe as an honored guest in May; who are they to turn away Doug Brooks as a mere attender?).
Brooks should be kept as far away as possible from the "humanitarian" interventionists who will be coming home to roost in the Clinton administration State and "Defense" Departments.
Posted by: Nell | October 29, 2007 at 07:30 PM
“The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.”
Karl Marx, the Communist Manifesto, 1848
The progressive tax code now generates 40% of its revenue from 1% of taxpayers. The bottom fifty percent pay just 3% of the burden. The Rangle/Clinton plan would raise the top federal tax rate from 35% to 46%. The 1% of the electorate that would be affected by the increase has little power at the ballot box. Pick your favorite Democratic Senator. He or she is a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over.
If taxation without representation caused some changes, representation without taxation may end up having a similar effect. Just wait till they start playing with capital gains.
The mysterious emergence of private armies.
The left should be careful what they ask for. The real threat to our liberties isn’t Islam itself, it is what Islam could empower.
Posted by: Bill | October 29, 2007 at 07:34 PM
The progressive tax code now generates 40% of its revenue from 1% of taxpayers.
Always cute when people trot out this statistic without even bothering to note what percentage of the wealth is held by that top 1%.
The 1% of the electorate that would be affected by the increase has little power at the ballot box.
Right, which is why the entire Republican Party is hell-bent to repeal the estate tax, which only affects the super-rich.
Pick your favorite Democratic Senator. He or she is a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over.
Kind of hard to square this with the claim that the Democrats are engaged in class warfare, isn't it?
The mysterious emergence of private armies.
The idea that the super-rich in America are somehow being raped by the redistributionist masses, and may have to resort to some sort of coup to avoid being put out in the street, is among the most laughable bits of hysteria I've seen in a long time.
Oh, those poor, disenfrancised billionaires! How will they ever manage to get by?
Posted by: Steve | October 29, 2007 at 07:51 PM
"Who the hell gave them the power to make any such promise?"
It's hard to tell what's going on in that article, since the claim about immunity, repeated several times early in the article, is contradicted several times later in the article.
For instance:
That's not immunity, that's immunity for specific previous statements.Which contradicts what's said earlier in the piece.
My conclusion is that the piece is incoherent, the reporter confused, and that the various sources consulted and quoted aren't on the same pages themselves yet.
The question is still accurate and appropriate, of course, as regards the limited use immunity.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 07:57 PM
Posted by: KCinDC | October 29, 2007 at 08:08 PM
Someday someone like Bill will explain (in a thread where it's relevant, not this one) why there wasn't more class stratification and less social mobility in the '50s and '60s, when top rates were much higher. But then evidence would interrupt the mad rush to a preordained conclusion - there is no evidence that will lead a staunch conservative (of some flavors) to any conclusion but that the rich should pay fewer taxes and bear less responsibility for the well-being of the society they profit from.
Meanwhile, back at reality, a realistic accounting would suggest that it'd be cheaper in the long run to pay for a larger armed force that folded support ando ther tasks back under the chain of command. But since mercenaries are easier to hide in the paperwork, justify in emergency spending, and the like, they're less visible costs. It would take a serious crusader for full reckoning in budgeting to make the matter visible to the public, and we don't really have many folks like that in positions of power.
Posted by: Bruce Baugh | October 29, 2007 at 08:09 PM
"Pick your favorite Democratic Senator. He or she is a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over."
Russ Feingold? Really?
Yep, like you say, my favorite Senator is a gazillionaire.How about a presidential candidate?
Plenty of money by my standards, but not "a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over." And it's mostly all book advance, from books which it's my impression have been selling well.Oh, well.
"The Rangle/Clinton plan would raise the top federal tax rate from 35% to 46%."
Rangel.
Historic maximum tax rates for the highest income:
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 08:23 PM
When I started poking around to write the above comment, KCinDC hadn't yet commented.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 08:25 PM
"But in general, the track record of federal prosecutors investigating & prosecuting contractors is extremely weak--a lot of cases have languished, due to a combination of unclear jurisdiction, logistical difficulties, & (above all) lack of prosecutorial will."
Is there any possibility that it could be due to lack of a good reasons to investigate? Maybe lack of evidence or actual events where there was a problem?
Or are we sure that this is happening all the time but our government is just turning a blind eye?
" follows from the fact that we do not have a sufficient number of military personnel to conduct this war"
I wonder why don't use troops from Western Europe and Asia, if we need them Iraq so badly.
Posted by: for | October 29, 2007 at 08:26 PM
"Is there any possibility that it could be due to lack of a good reasons to investigate? Maybe lack of evidence or actual events where there was a problem?"
not really, no.
I can't really discuss this further unfortunately.
Posted by: Katherine | October 29, 2007 at 08:44 PM
(Actually, this article isn't a bad start.)
Posted by: Katherine | October 29, 2007 at 08:45 PM
"I wonder why don't use troops from Western Europe and Asia, if we need them Iraq so badly."
I'll give you a dated clue, from 2005:
Since then, we've had the surge.For every deployed unit, one has to be in training and preparing to deploy, and one has to be coming off a deployment, and in training. You appear to believe that the U.S. Army has many more brigades than it currently does.
Troops in Europe:
Troops in Europe? What troops in Europe?Troops in Korea:
Again, that was 2005, pre-surge.The endlessly reported facts:
That was last August.As I said, this has been endlessly reported. You can also, as I just did, look it up. There's not much excuse for the ignorance of "wondering," rather than finding out for yourself with ten minutes effort, or reading a daily newspaper and keeping up with the news of recent years, rather than making other people do the work of answering your questions regarding these deep, unsolvable, mysteries.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 09:02 PM
RE: Taxes Rates
While I'm not an expert on the 1954 or 1939 tax code, I'm fairly certain that the top marginal rate on either ordinary income and capital gains hardly tells the whole story when it comes to how much was actually paid in taxes vs. the rich's economic income.
The current proposed individual tax increase will have, IMHO, close to zero effect on the economy in this country.
Posted by: Ugh | October 29, 2007 at 09:10 PM
Gary Farber;
No dark threats intended, just observations and the human genome. 46%, plus 3.5% (Medicare), plus 13% (self-employed Social Security when the cap is lifted), plus State (~5%), plus local. That's around 70% for the financial achievers. Not even coming close to addressing our unfunded entitlement promises. Compared with around zero taxes to the south (Bloomberg-Bahamas; Gates-Belize; Clinton-Domincan Republic; Bush-Paraguay; on and on). These people just have to flip the switch.
5,000 young English professionals leave Great Britain every week, blaming the tax burden and problems associated with immigration. They are being replaced with immigrants from North Africa and Pakistan, among other places.
Nobody’s going to march on the Pentagon. The tax base will just leave. And the democratic cycle will play itself out.
"Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions."
--James Madison, Federalist 10
p.s. I stand corrected on Russ Feingold. I also didn’t realize that Tom DeLay’s reported net worth was between negative one million dollars and negative two million dollars. He said so.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1736536/posts
Posted by: Bill | October 29, 2007 at 09:21 PM
Um, no.
Given that the vast majority of new wealth in this country is coming from appreciated assets, where the capital gains tax is appreciably lower, citing the 46% figure is not appropriate.
Posted by: gwangung | October 29, 2007 at 09:47 PM
No dark threats intended, just observations and the human genome. 46%, plus 3.5% (Medicare), plus 13% (self-employed Social Security when the cap is lifted), plus State (~5%), plus local.
Not to pick a nit, but that 46% is a hypothetical marginal tax rate. Nobody will pay 46% on their entire gross.
Of course, if you're making millions, you'll be liable for 46% on, by far, the majority of your earnings.
And, of course, if you're making millions, you will structure your compensation so that it doesn't come to you as straight salary, specifically so that you will avoid the tax consequences.
I'd be interested in an all-in analysis of the tax burden proportional to income. By "all-in", I mean an analysis that includes not only income tax but some of the less progressive, or even regressive, taxes that you name. It would also be useful if it reflected the taxes that folks actually paid, rather than those they were liable for on paper.
I believe we'd find that taxes here are in fact progressive, but no more than mildly so. Just a hunch.
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | October 29, 2007 at 09:57 PM
"No dark threats intended, just observations and the human genome."
You intend the human genome? What does that mean?
"Compared with around zero taxes to the south (Bloomberg-Bahamas; Gates-Belize; Clinton-Domincan Republic; Bush-Paraguay; on and on). These people just have to flip the switch."
What does this mean?
"5,000 young English professionals leave Great Britain every week, blaming the tax burden and problems associated with immigration."
Cite?
Then might you explain how that isn't a non-sequitur? Your paragraphs seem unconnected.
"I also didn’t realize that Tom DeLay’s reported net worth was between negative one million dollars and negative two million dollars. He said so."
Are you accusing DeLay of lying in his federal financial disclosure forms, and violating federal law?
"p.s. I stand corrected on Russ Feingold."
And on the fact that, as KCinDC pointed out, fewer than 22 out of 100 Senators "is a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over" and at most, it's eleven Democrats.
That is, since the figures are given in maximum and minimum ranges, the poorest Senator who might qualify as having at least $10,000,000 is Mark Dayton (D-Minn), whose wealth in 2005 was 22nd highest in the Senate, between $4,446,429 and $13,082,001. But, of course, he may have had only $5,000,000.
The lowest on the list whom we know for a sure thing to meet Bill's criterion is, yes, at 14, Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), who reported in 2005 a minimum of $10,080,005, and a maximum of $50,200,000. There are only six wealthier Democratic Senators.
Note the 25 poorest. As you note, some have negative assets, aka "debt," such as my Senator, Ken Salazar (D-Colo), who has between ($377,996) and ($717,000) in debt.
The four poorest are all Democrats, for whatever that's worth: Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del), between ($131,981) and ($113,000).
Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND), between ($33,968) and $255,000.
Russ Feingold (D-Wis), between ($18,997) and $16,000.
"Pick your favorite Democratic Senator. He or she is a millionaire tens or hundreds of times over."
There are currently 51 Democratic Senators; your statement turns out to be true of between 7 and 11 of them.
That leaves you having made a false statement about between 40 and 43 Democratic Senators.
This is not usually considered accuate.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 10:13 PM
OT: Hil, Katherine, CC, Nell et al: have you read this powerful, unequivocal condemnation and rejection of waterboarding, written by former SERE training chief Malcom Nance? Apologies if someone else has already pointed to this - have been out of the ObWi loop for the past several days.
(h/t Perry Como in Balloon Juice comments).
Posted by: matttbastard | October 29, 2007 at 10:14 PM
"There are currently 51 Democratic Senators; your statement turns out to be true of between 7 and 11 of them."
That's, of course, taking the extremely generous step of redefining "tens of millions" to mean only "ten million," rather than the twenty million it actually means in English, in which case you'd be correct about only five Democratic Senators, but I'm happy to be generous in interpretation.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 29, 2007 at 10:18 PM
matt--I had, but it's a great piece & worth linking to. Everyone, go read it!
Posted by: katherine | October 29, 2007 at 10:27 PM
But Gary, if you're being generous, maybe you shouldn't exclude senators who have 0.01 tens of millions, or -0.05 tens of millions.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 29, 2007 at 10:37 PM
Gary,
"Troops in Europe? What troops in Europe?"
Are the 44,000 US troops currently in Europe not worth counting?
The 37,000 in South Korea and the 45,000 in Japan count for nothing also?
Yes, I could if I needed. But I am moving on and now and wondering why your obvious ability to do thorough research would fail to find an over 100,000 soldiers?
Posted by: for | October 29, 2007 at 11:04 PM
Btw: thanks to everyone who pointed out inaccuracies. I have updated.
Posted by: hilzoy | October 30, 2007 at 12:10 AM
Mattt, I hadn't seen it, thanks.
It seems to me that one of the biggest problems with Blackwater and the like is their narrow mission. They are supposed to keep some particular individual safe. they are not charged with winning hearts and minds, expanding oilspots, awakening former enemies, or whatever we're calling it. That's someone else's job. They just get the diplomat from point A to point B unharmed. And if some bystanders get shot on the way, well that's not a relevant yardstick for determining whether or not the days mission was a success.
Posted by: CharleyCarp | October 30, 2007 at 12:19 AM
"The 37,000 in South Korea and the 45,000 in Japan count for nothing also?
You're just ignoring the figures I presented. That's not an encouraging sign.
Let's nonetheless repeat, and ask what your response is to this?:
What combat brigades, specifically, do you believe are in Europe, Japan, or South Korea, which can be spared from readiness against North Korea or other contingencies?"The 37,000 in South Korea and the 45,000 in Japan count for nothing also?"
South Korea?
Subsequently, in July, 2006: So that was under 15,000 ground troops, back in 20006, considerably less than half of your "37,000."I've not specifically tracked if the surge has affected the number and made it lower.
47,000 in Japan?
Setting aside the considerable number of logistics units, HQ units, and the like, the bulk of the fighting forces in Japan is the 3rd Marine Division. I wonder where they are?
Who could have predicted?44,000 in Europe? 7th Army and Eucom's page is full of news of Iraq deployments.
Back in 2004, Phil Carter explained:
Back in 2005, the BBC pointed out: Hard to move them, when they're vital to the current wars where they are.More recently, in April, 2007:
HTH.So, are you calling General Casey a liar?
And if you would like to name specific brigades or units you feel the Army or Marines have to spare, hey, please do so. Otherwise, it's good to check if one is using out of date figures.
Posted by: Gary Farber | October 30, 2007 at 12:24 AM
Mattt, thanks for that link; I hadn't seen it. Have to confess that the ambience of the Small Wars Journal creeps me out, though.
@for: No, the lack of investigations has nothing whatsoever to do with lack of incidents to spark further inquiry. Without breaking a sweat, I put together a list in the week after the Nisour Square massacre of a dozen fatal or criminal incidents involving Blackwater just since December 2006. As early as 2005, State Department emails show, they were discussing how to deal with or ignore fatal shootings by Blackwater.
And these are just the confirmed deaths that eventually made it into the media record. It's clear from the pattern of behavior involved that there are many more serious injuries for every death.
Posted by: Nell | October 30, 2007 at 01:50 AM
General comment on contracting. Maybe everyone is aware of this already, but the use of contractors is not just a bad idea from the Bush administration.
There are over 170,000 contractors in Iraq performing a variety of missions, including security functions. The majority are performing various logistics support missions. These include the KBR personnel who who perform food services, facility support, water, power, and engineering support to the FOBs and other bases all over Iraq. Less then 20% (app 30,000) are performing security missions.
The main reason for using contractors is the lower life-cycle cost. The military committed over 500,000 troops to the Gulf War (Desert Storm). Many of those were in the support roles that could be performed by contractors. After that war, military downsizing meant a similar sized force was not possible, so civilian contractors were sought to fill the gaps.
In peacetime, the main difference between contractors and the military is that the contractors do not have to be paid. The military can set up a set of contracts with companies like KBR that pay KBR a small amount now to be ready to provide support services in the future. If the services were to be performed by the military, the military would have to be significantly larger. To replace the 170,000 contractors in Iraq would probably require at least 300,000 additional military personnel, since the military needs to rotate personnel to maintain retention and avoid burnout. Contractors can just pay more, since unlike the military, they can easily downsize as soon as their services are no longer needed.
http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2007/index.html
Assuming those 300,000 extra personnel cost an extra $30 billion a year, the costs add up. Also, military personnel would need to be paid for their whole careers. We would need that extra $30 billion a year for the next 20-30 years. Now the costs really start to add up.
In short, we can either pay a lot to maintain the capability to perform a mission without contractors, or we can save all that money in peacetime by relying on contractors in wartime. In wartime it may cost us more to use contractors for these support services, but the lifecycle costs are much less.
The real question is just what services we want to contract out. I think the support services are a good idea (food services, facility maintenance, power, water, etc). Security is really where it starts to get problematic. Some security work is probably still ok, static guard operations in quiet areas (yes, there are some, even in Iraq). However, the State Department should have bitten the bullet years ago and said to Congress, we need our Security budget tripled, because we need to double the size of our Diplomatic Security Service. Instead, they went with Blackwater because of various reasons, one of which was probably that they couldn’t figure out what they would do with a DSS that was twice its required size once the war was over.
I think the commercial concept on out-sourcing is that you try to out source all of the routine stuff that makes sense, but you do not outsource your core capabilities. Security is very close to the military’s core capability and should be outsourced very carefully. Operating the DFAC on a FOB is not a much of a core capability and can be outsourced more readily.
The really scary part is when government agencies outsource their core capabilities to such an extent that they can no longer function without the contractors. This is becoming a real problem in several areas, especially in the intelligence community. Here it has gotten so bad that the government personnel are in danger of becoming just contracting specialists, with no ability to perform their missions without the contractors. See RJ Hillhouse for further information on this.
http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/the_spy_who_billed_me/
Posted by: Donald Clarke | October 30, 2007 at 10:04 AM
The argument that outsourcing to contractors saves money depends on at least two questionable assumptions: (1) that we don't pay contractors more than military personnel, which doesn't correspond to the figures I've seen, and (2) that "peacetime" is going to represent a significant amount of our time in the future, which seems unlikely now that we're in the endless "war on terror" and especially now that we have a large and growing private military industry whose profits depending on maintaining a state of war and whose existence makes it politically easier to go to war.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 30, 2007 at 10:51 AM
We do pay contractors more, but we only have to pay them while we are using them. We do not have to provide a 20-30 year career path for them, so the overall costs are lower. Your second point is well taken. Contractors are a means of saving money by having a support capability that is virtual rather then real in peacetime. In wartime they probably cost more, although their greater individual cost is offset by not requiring two personnel for each job to allow for rotation. The contracting company just releases any individuals not working in theater, so it can get by with fewer personnel.
As for how long the war will last, good question. I tend to doubt that the security contractors themselves have enough pull to keep it going. KBR might, but they make money in peacetime by supporting oil field development so they do not require conflict, the way the security companies do. If worldwide peace breaks out, KBR will be largely unaffected while Blackwater will be out of business.
Again, this is where privatization in intelligence is even more troublesome than in the security area. Contractors who depend on finding threats will probably find them, regardless of how threatening they were before being looked at by the contractor.
Posted by: Donald Clarke | October 30, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Yes, privatized intelligence is also a huge problem. So is the private prison industry, which has had a bit longer to do its damage. Privatization of all three areas is a recipe for a nightmarish future.
Posted by: KCinDC | October 30, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Nell: I haven't yet encountered the name of [the Iraqi VP's] murdered guard
Just did, on another blog: Raheem Khalif.
Interesting Q&A between the blogger and Karen DeYoung:
Huh. Well, I guess we just have to throw up our hands, then. The shots in the victim [rumored to be twelve], the people who saw Moonen and Khalif before and afterwards, etc. etc.; all this is the kind of evidence that's been used to prosecute killers in a million other situations. But those are situations in which something like the pretense of the rule of law is maintained.
Posted by: Nell | October 30, 2007 at 04:36 PM
OT -- As if Iraq does not have enough other problems, there may be a catastrophic dam collapse in the near future.
Posted by: Dantheman | October 30, 2007 at 05:14 PM
A Time story pegs it at three shots. Can't find the story or link at the moment.
Patrick Cockburn reported on the dam collapse possibility in early August, but I guess all the big-paper editors were in Martha's Vineyard mode then.
Posted by: Nell | October 30, 2007 at 08:21 PM
Today:
It's now also clear that it was only use-immunity granted, not full immunity.Posted by: Gary Farber | October 31, 2007 at 06:18 PM
Re Russ Feingold, I can definitively confirm that he sometimes eats Chinese takeout straight from the paper box. He even invited us into his house to share it with him but we didn't want to impose, as he was in a t-shirt and sweatpants and we didn't want to impose.
Not really related, but I thought I'd share :)
Posted by: Anarch | November 01, 2007 at 07:10 PM
Reading through this thread, the arguments in favor of contractors seem to be:
1. They're less expensive because you don't pay for them all the time, only when you need them.
2. They will do stuff uniformed service people don't want to do -- logistical support, guard duty
3. They fill in the gaps when there aren't enough service people to do certain kinds of specialized duty, for instance personal security details
All of this seems to treat military service like some kind of mall cop job.
What makes a service person different from a contractor is precisely this:
If someone in a service person's chain of command says "Jump", the service person jumps.
If someone in a contractor's chain of command says "Jump", the contractor decides whether they're being paid enough to jump, or not.
"Jump" in this context is some task that is critical to the success of a military mission.
There are roughly as many contractors involved in Iraq as there are military personnel. That means that about half of the people that we are relying on for our success there can, on any given day, turn around and tell the folks who are relying on them to piss up a rope.
For "tell them to piss up a rope", read "take their bat and ball and go home", "ignore protocol because it's inconvenient", or "renegotiate terms before proceeding". It's hard for me to imagine any savings we might be getting out of outsourcing military functions as being worth that kind of risk.
Outsourcing military functions is, IMVHO, insane. What it tells me is that we've committed to military adventures that the population as a whole is simply not that invested in.
Thanks -
Posted by: russell | November 01, 2007 at 09:44 PM
But that's all Ollie North had, isn't it? And look how well that turned out.
Posted by: KCinDC | November 01, 2007 at 10:58 PM
"But that's all Ollie North had, isn't it? And look how well that turned out."
I didn't suggest that it would now turn out well. I merely clarified the facts, and drew no conclusions.
Posted by: Gary Farber | November 02, 2007 at 12:46 AM