by hilzoy
Kevin Drum reminds us that the eight US Attorneys who were fired are, in fact, eight separate cases, and that the reasons behind their firings might be quite different. This is clearly right, and it's important to think of them individually. With that in mind, one of the things I want to know is: why was the provision that the Attorney General could replace US Attorneys without Senate confirmation slipped into the Patriot Act? Was this just a power grab for its own sake, or was there some particular person whom the administration wanted to appoint, and whom they did not want to have to seek Senate confirmation for?
If there was a particular person they had in mind, the obvious candidate is Tim Griffin, the protege of Karl Rove who replaced the US Attorney in the Eastern District of Arkansas. For the most part, the list of US Attorneys to be fired seems to have been in flux throughout the summer and fall of 2006: there are people who were fired who only appear late in the game, and there are people on various lists whose names were redacted, presumably because they were not fired. A few -- e.g., Carol Lam -- are on the list throughout.
But the US Attorney in the Eastern district of Arkansas is unique. The various people who wrote the DoJ emails and memos just assumed that Bud Cummins, the USAttorney who held that job in early 2006, would be asked to resign. This was never in question. More importantly, this is the only case in which they seem to have known from the outset who would replace him: Tim Griffin. (Griffin seems to have regarded this as a done deal before Cummins announced his retirement.) It was Griffin of whom Kyle Sampson wrote: "getting him appointed was important to Harriet, Karl, etc." Moreover:
"On February 6, [Deputy Attorney General Paul] McNulty acknowledged during contentious testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee that Cummins had been fired because the administration wanted to name Timothy Griffin, a former aide to presidential adviser Karl Rove, who had also worked for the Republican National Committee. But McNulty said the firings of the other prosecutors were related to their poor performance.During the hearings, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York posed the following question to McNulty: "First, Bud Cummins has said that he was told he had done nothing wrong and he was simply being asked to resign to let someone else have the job. Does he have it right?"
McNulty: "I'll accept that as being accurate, as best I know the facts.""
It's pretty clear that Cummins' firing is unique in that it was motivated by a desire to give someone else a job, and that that someone was Tim Griffin. That means, I think, that if the provision allowing the AG to name replacements for US Attorneys was slipped into the Patriot Act because the administration wanted to appoint someone in particular to be a US Attorney, that someone was probably Tim Griffin. But why would it be so important to get him that job? And why might they have wanted to avoid Senate confirmation?
I suspect that the answer to the latter question is not: because he might not have been confirmed. (Not entirely, anyways.) The provision allowing the AG to bypass Senate confirmation was slipped into the Patriot Act in December of 2005. At that time, I don't recall anyone thinking that the Republicans were going to lose control of the Senate -- the fact that they did turned on such later events as George Allen's macaca moment. I think it was the entire confirmation process that they wanted to avoid: the public questioning, the spotlight, possibly the need to give sworn testimony.
And why would the administration have wanted to avoid that? Well, consider who Tim Griffin is:
"A quick perusal of Griffin’s resume shows that his more-or-less exclusive vocation has been doing opposition research on Democrats on behalf of the Republican Party. Until recently, he was head of oppo research at the White House, working directly for Karl Rove. In 1999 and 2000, he was deputy research director for the Republican National Committee. In 2002 he returned as research director for the national GOP and stayed on for the next three years.Before getting involved formally in oppo research he worked in what you might call de facto oppo research positions. In 1995 and 1996 he was associate independent counsel in the Henry Cisneros investigation. And after that he headed up to the Hill to work for Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) investigating political contributions from Asian-Americans to Bill Clinton.
Oh, and I forgot to mention, according to Time, back in 2000, when he was in charge of digging up dirt on Al Gore, he apparently had a poster hanging on the wall behind his desk which read: “On my command — unleash hell on Al.”"
Opposition research is not a pleasant business, and might involve all sorts of things one would rather not discuss in public, under oath. For instance, this delightful episode:
"The Griffin scheme was sickly brilliant. We learned that the RNC sent first-class letters to new voters in minority precincts marked, “Do not forward.” Several sheets contained nothing but soldiers, other sheets, homeless shelters. Targets included the Jacksonville Naval Air Station in Florida and that city’s State Street Rescue Mission. Another target, Edward Waters College, a school for African-Americans.If these voters were not currently at their home voting address, they were tagged as “suspect” and their registration wiped out or their ballot challenged and not counted. Of course, these ‘cages’ captured thousands of students, the homeless and those in the military though they are legitimate voters.
We telephoned those on the hit list, including one Randall Prausa. His wife admitted he wasn’t living at his voting address: Randall was a soldier shipped overseas.
Randall and other soldiers like him who sent in absentee ballots, when challenged, would lose their vote. And they wouldn’t even know it."
(More on this here and here -- apparently, Sen. Pryor of Arkansas was concerned about the 'caging' issue.)
More generally, though, I find it useful to think about the administration's appointment of Griffin this way. It's not surprising, at the beginning of a Presidential campaign season, for the Republican party to send its chief opposition researcher -- the guy responsible for digging up dirt on political opponents -- to the very state where Hillary Clinton, one of the frontrunners for the Democratic nomination, spent most of her adult life. But it's completely out of line for them to send their chief opposition researcher to Arkansas as a US Attorney with subpoena power. Before I voted to confirm him, under the circumstances, I would want to be very sure that he had given up on opposition research, and on partisan political activity generally, and had decided to devote himself to prosecuting bad guys without fear or favor. If I was in any doubt, I would not vote to confirm. The line between political opposition research and federal prosecution ought to remain absolute.
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Kevin also points us to this article in the LA Times:
"The "company man" hired and fired by the Bush administration as U.S. attorney in San Francisco was a loyal Republican the administration wanted to keep on — until it appeared he could become a public relations liability.Unlike seven other fired federal prosecutors who may have run afoul of the administration for political reasons, San Francisco U.S. Atty. Kevin Ryan was a team player for Bush and had influential Republican support. A friend of the president even went to bat for Ryan after his firing.
"You would have to know Kevin," said UC Hastings College of the Law professor Rory Little. "You can't find a stronger supporter of the Bush administration agenda."
His tenure, however, was plagued by morale problems and accusations that he was a bad manager. A number of the office's most experienced lawyers left.
Despite his problems, which were well documented in legal newspapers, Justice officials wanted to keep Ryan on, even as they plotted the firings of other U.S. attorneys. It was only when a Democratic judge threatened to go to Congress to raise a public fuss over an excoriating written evaluation of Ryan's office that Ryan was put on the termination list, according to e-mails released by the White House. (...)
Even with the unrest, Ryan's support in Washington held during the first few months that planning for the ousters was underway. In an e-mail from D. Kyle Sampson, the former chief of staff to Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales, to Harriet Miers in March 2005, Ryan was in a category described as "strong U.S. Attorneys who have produced, managed well, and exhibited loyalty to the President and Attorney General." Other U.S. attorneys who were later fired were listed in a column recommending termination.
The following January, Sampson added Ryan to a list of federal prosecutors who might be removed based on performance evaluations. But he was left off later firing lists in September and November, e-mails show.
On Dec. 1, David Margolis, a career lawyer at the Justice Department and now an associate deputy attorney general, told Sampson and others in an e-mail that a federal judge, who was identified by lawyers in San Francisco as Marilyn Hall Patel, a President Carter appointee, was going to ask members of Congress to get her a copy of the blistering evaluations the department had done of Ryan earlier that year.
One of the negative evaluations contained comments by several lawyers who had left Ryan's office.
The next day, Michael Elston, a staff chief for a deputy attorney general, told Sampson by e-mail that protecting the confidentiality of the evaluation was "something we should consider fighting about. Any chance that we get candid information from such evaluations would be gone if we turned it over."
"This also may become unlikely if the list is expanded by one as we discussed earlier," Elston added, an allusion to Ryan's firing.
A couple of hours later, Sampson e-mailed back: "The list is expanded; still waiting for a green light from White House…."
Two days later, the administration was prepared to fire Ryan. Little said Ryan's old opponents managed to persuade Justice officials that in this way, they could "avoid the release of documents.""
I had always thought of him as the one US Attorney most likely to have been fired for genuinely performance-related reasons, since I had read several articles (can't remember where) suggesting that he was a bad manager. I guess he was fired for performance-related reasons; it just took the threat of exposure to make the DoJ focus on them.
Charming.
You be as careful as you like. In combination with the Diebold problems, Ken Blackwell in Ohio, felon "lists", re-redistricting in Texas, etc I have concluded that it is fair to say that the Republican Party is dedicated to subverting and corrupting the electoral process by any means necessary and possible.
It would be absurd to say this is limited to Karl Rove and three of his close associates, or two dozen Republicans plus the Ohio leadership, or that specific Republicans must be named and proven complicit before a general accusation might be made. Some are absurdly just and fair. OTOH, it could be most useful, in the interest of fair elections, to hold this position as a default. That way we could have been expecting and looking for this kind of activity in 2003-06, instead of after the fact and after whatever damage may already been done. I, for one, am not surprised and shocked.
For the record, I certainly do not consider all and every Republican corrupt under these standards. Some have day jobs.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | March 22, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Born">http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/i-was-born-yesterday-by-digby-i-know.html">Born Yesterday
"I now realize that I honestly did not think that even this criminal administration would go so far as to allow Karl Rove to have a hand in the Justice department and I never considered that US Attorney's were doing his bidding.
Why I was so naive, I do not know. Tom Delay, after all, is still free. I guess I still thought that there were certain limits, even for this administration." ...digby
I haven't been so naive since the Nixon administration.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | March 22, 2007 at 12:06 PM
Fixed Link
Posted by: bob mcmanus | March 22, 2007 at 12:08 PM
It looks like they may have been wanting to have Griffin appoint as a USA for a while.
See the handwritten note on p. 26 (DAG000000226) of this pdf.
"Originally recommended by Rep. ----- for WDAK" [emphasis added]
Posted by: Ruth | March 22, 2007 at 01:06 PM
questions? what are the chances the administration will take this to the supremes? and what are the chances the subpoenas will actually be served?
Posted by: judson | March 22, 2007 at 01:09 PM
I can't help but think that it is important to point out the "ethics" of the people Hilzoy supports:
Does this make him a liar?
Or are they all liars?
Or were many of the posters at Obsidian Wings just suckers?
I'm going with YES on both.
Posted by: bril | March 22, 2007 at 01:55 PM
I'm trying to figure out what relevance bril's comment above has to hilzoy's post. Can anyone shed any light on it for me?
Posted by: Yukoner | March 22, 2007 at 01:59 PM
I'm trying to figure out what relevance bril's comment above has to hilzoy's post.
i'd bet that everything bril has ever written here can be summarized by "But Mmmmmmommmmmmyyyyyyyy!!! Why don't you punish the liiiiiiiibbbbbbrrrrrlzzzzz??!!!!! Wahhhh!!!"
Posted by: cleek | March 22, 2007 at 02:06 PM
bril if you're going to steal posts from QandO you should at least give them credit.
Posted by: Ugh | March 22, 2007 at 02:09 PM
I guess I missed where Hoyer said the vote might be held open in order to reverse the result.
I guess I missed where anything actually happened at all as yet.
Oh well, the Democrats are all liars, and many of the ObWi posters are suckers. Thanks, bril, for that information.
Posted by: Steve | March 22, 2007 at 02:13 PM
I'm not sure where Bril sees the lying there (it seems to be lacking any information whether the vote was actually held open, much less why it was or how long it was), and as usual he gives no links. When searching around, I did find this, as long as we're talking about liars:
But presumably Cheney would now recognize that whatever abuse of power he witnessed then is dwarfed by what happened in succeeding years, when Republicans made it standard operating procedure to hold votes open for hours of arm-twisting and blackmail.Posted by: KCinDC | March 22, 2007 at 02:34 PM
John Yoo is everywhere these days, his take on the U.S. Atty firings here.
A flavor (not sure if you need a subscription):
Those who toss more fuel onto the fire threaten the nation's unifying force in law enforcement and well-run government -- the president's core constitutional prerogative to fire his subordinates.
Posted by: Ugh | March 22, 2007 at 02:49 PM
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Posted by: heyhey | March 22, 2007 at 02:54 PM
And a dig at Fitz as well:
Patrick Fitzgerald's pursuit of Scooter Libby shows us what happens when a prosecutor reports to no higher authority. He single-mindedly persecuted Mr. Libby, at great taxpayer expense, without any sense of the damage caused to the workings of our government in wartime -- and over a confused sequence of misstatements later characterized all too easily as "lies" about a crime that Mr. Fitzgerald found had not happened anyway.
Posted by: Ugh | March 22, 2007 at 02:54 PM
Hilzoy, good post. I had exactly the same thought when I first started reading about about Griffin's appointment.
One minor quibble, though. You write:
The provision allowing the AG to bypass Senate confirmation was slipped into the Patriot Act in December of 2005. At that time, I don't recall anyone thinking that the Republicans were going to lose control of the Senate -- the fact that they did turned on such later events as George Allen's macaca moment. I think it was the entire confirmation process that they wanted to avoid: the public questioning, the spotlight, possibly the need to give sworn testimony.
While I agree that the White House likely did not anticipate losing the Senate back in Dec. 2005, I'm not sure that's relevant. Traditionally, U.S. attorneys are selected in consultation with home-state senators. Even if the Republicans had retained control of the Senate, the White House still would have had a hard time getting Griffin appointed absent this provision. Senators Pryor and Lincoln would have been able to block him. That's why the administration went to the trouble of giving Griffin a job as one of Cummins deputies well before he was officially tapped to replace Cummins. They wanted to improve his chances of being viewed as acceptable.
Posted by: Anonymous Liberal | March 22, 2007 at 02:58 PM
"John Yoo is everywhere these days, his take on the U.S. Atty firings here."
Heard him on the radio the other day bringing up the probably standard defense on NPR and thought, here's a guy who was in the administration designing some of the worst legal policies, but is no longer in it. Can he be brought to testify on the underlying principle of the unitary exec? God he's contemptible, but he is slick, still it would be good to get it on record since he's already out there trying to influence the public. Torture this, a-hole.
Posted by: bstand | March 22, 2007 at 03:33 PM
anyone catch Bolton on the Daily Show Monday? gack, what an loon. he was just brimming with Power Of The Executive juice.
Posted by: cleek | March 22, 2007 at 04:10 PM
"[ ]'s pursuit of [ ] shows us what happens when a prosecutor reports to no higher authority. He single-mindedly persecuted [ ] at great taxpayer expense, without any sense of the damage caused to the workings of our government in wartime -- and over a confused sequence of misstatements later characterized all too easily as "lies" about a crime that [ ] found had not happened anyway."
IIJM, or does this quote from John Yoo sound like some kind of flashback from the Ken Starr Era? Add some different names in the blanks, and it reads like the sort of complaint many Democrats made over the slavering witch-hunts against Bill Clinton: and which most Republicans dismissed - typically in the name of "good government", and "proper oversight".
And btw, who is John Yoo trying to impress with the Unitary Executive Absolutism routine? Does he really think the notion of the US President as unaccountable quasi-monarch is going to have a shelf-life one minute after GW Bush leaves office (If not sooner)?
Posted by: Jay C | March 22, 2007 at 04:44 PM
Jay C, maybe he's hoping for a post in the Giuliani administration (or maybe McCain, judging by the stormtrooperesque videos on his site). If Bush were the only authoritarian in the Republican Party he wouldn't have been able to go as far as he has.
Posted by: KCinDC | March 22, 2007 at 05:02 PM
IIJM, or does this quote from John Yoo sound like some kind of flashback from the Ken Starr Era?
That's exactly what I was thinking when I posted it.
And btw, who is John Yoo trying to impress with the Unitary Executive Absolutism routine?
As KC noted, he'd fit right in in the administration of McCain or especially "America's Mayor" - but he made it quite clear in class one day that he's got his eyes on a SCOTUS spot. Hard to believe after the torture memo, but who knows what may happen in the next 15-20 years (and how memories will fade). "First Asian-American Supreme Court Justice John Yoo."
Posted by: Ugh | March 22, 2007 at 05:11 PM
Jay C.,
"And btw, who is John Yoo trying to impress with the Unitary Executive Absolutism routine? Does he really think the notion of the US President as unaccountable quasi-monarch is going to have a shelf-life one minute after GW Bush leaves office (If not sooner)?"
Since these concepts were present among key staffers in both the Nixon and Reagan White Houses, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that the doctrine will die on January 21, 2009.
Posted by: Dantheman | March 22, 2007 at 05:16 PM
dtm:
I didn't mean to suggest that the "Unitary Executive" doctrine would sunset itself out of existence with the Bush 43 Administration; only that one would presume (i.e. fervently hope and work for) that the next President may not be as wedded to the notions of the President-as-divine-right-ruler as the present gang. Or, the issue may have been resolved by the courts by then (but I doubt it).
AFAICT, the hallmark of the G.W. Bush Adminstration has been a consistent push for the expansion of unaccountable. unreviewable Presidential power, laws and customs be damned, with all the abuses perpetrated to take advantage of the timing. By the time the relevant suits, investigations or legislation take effect, Bush's term will be over, and any constraints thus enacted will be problem for the next President.
"Our power, our rules, our way, in our term"
Anything else is irrelevant.
Posted by: Jay C | March 22, 2007 at 05:44 PM
FDL is reporting that the DoJ is trying to get Abramoff's sentence reduced. Nice work.
DOJ helping Abramoff
Posted by: moe99 | March 22, 2007 at 05:47 PM
Well, if Abramoff is cooperating, I'd expect to see his sentence reduced. Of course, I'd also expect to see some more Republican members of Congress indicted. I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: KCinDC | March 22, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Guess firing those USAttys worked insofar as the number of new prosecutions against Republicans seems to be down. Not that we were running out of scandals....
Posted by: moe99 | March 22, 2007 at 06:15 PM
Anonymous Liberal: Even if the Republicans had retained control of the Senate, the White House still would have had a hard time getting Griffin appointed absent this provision [Patriot Act Sec 502]. Senators Pryor and Lincoln would have been able to block him.
Excellent point, AL.
I put a lot of stock in the 'pour encourager les autres' effect of the mass firing, as well.
Doesn't it just say everything that a nutcase like Ashcroft now appears to have been, by the regime's standards, a pinnacle of probity? And Comey... how deep a pit would we be in without Comey?
Posted by: Nell | March 22, 2007 at 07:27 PM
"First Asian-American Supreme Court Justice John Yoo."
Memories will not fade enough for this.
Posted by: CharleyCarp | March 22, 2007 at 07:53 PM
CharleyCarp- I wouldn't be so sure, Bork almost made it, the Republicans are much stronger these days, and what he did was a lot more memorable.
Posted by: Frank | March 22, 2007 at 08:28 PM
Cleek, Did you catch the Daily Show last night? John Stewart did a good job of showing Bolton for what he was! I thoroughly enjoyed it, after having suffered through watching Bolton's Monday night condescending attitude! ;-)
Posted by: jwo | March 22, 2007 at 09:09 PM
Frank, if you mean the Saturday Night Massacre as the "memorable" thing Bork did, I'm not sure how that ranks substantively with Yoo writing legalistic justifications for torture.
Nor do I think the GOP is stronger now than it was in the mid-80s. Surveys show that self-identification as a Republican has plummeted, for example. Even if you take Party self-identification more as a reflection of "wanting to be with the winners" than as a true statement of personal political philosophy (and therefore, as something that changes with the Zeitgeist) even that speaks to a widely held perception that the GOP is no longer a "winner."
Also, Yoo is a Bush protege. I think anyone associated with Bush will be radioactive for many years to come.
Posted by: CaseyL | March 22, 2007 at 09:26 PM
Jay C.,
"only that one would presume (i.e. fervently hope and work for) that the next President may not be as wedded to the notions of the President-as-divine-right-ruler as the present gang."
Likely not. On the other hand, sooner or later another President will come along for whom such a concept is convenient, and Yoo may be willing to sign on then.
CaseyL,
"I think anyone associated with Bush will be radioactive for many years to come."
I doubt it. If the Iran-Contra crew was not radioactive (and recall Abrams, Poindexter and Negroponte have served in the current Administration), Yoo is unlikely to be.
Posted by: Dantheman | March 22, 2007 at 09:46 PM
Did you catch the Daily Show last night? John Stewart did a good job of showing Bolton for what he was!
yeah, just caught that (DVR - always a day behind). it was really nice to see them do that, since many of their political guests get away with worse. i guess the difference was in telling Stewart he was wrong, instead of just lying outright.
Posted by: cleek | March 22, 2007 at 10:08 PM
Dantheman, Iran-Contra happened during the tenure of a (still inexplicably to me) popular President - one who did not preside over the most disastrous foreign policy ever, nor over the most incompetent/corrupt/brutish Administration since I-don't-know-when.
Reagan left office still popular.
Bush won't. 70% of the country just wants him gone. There's no reservoir of good will for him, or for anyone in his Administration.
Posted by: CaseyL | March 22, 2007 at 10:39 PM
CaseyL- I hope you are right. What worries me is all the billions that the Republicans got away with stealing this time. If you thought there were a lot of shady think tanks and dubious press organs before now, wait until we see what they buy now that they have real money backing them up.
Posted by: Frank | March 23, 2007 at 12:26 AM
If Gonzales goes down, Gitmo might go with him, since his departure would strengthen Gates and Rice, who want to shut it down. Not sure I believe that would be enough to get the Decider to admit error.
Posted by: KCinDC | March 23, 2007 at 08:46 AM
Randall and other soldiers like him who sent in absentee ballots, when challenged, would lose their vote.
A quotation of Greg Palast isn't credible evidence of this supposed conspiracy to throw out ballots merely as of a Republican challenge. This seems quite unbelievable to anyone who remembers that when the Democrats wanted to throw out 25,000 ballots in Florida in 2000 (Palast doesn't mention THAT, of course), they had to file a lawsuit and try to prove their case in court. Where was the Republican lawsuit over absentee ballots in Florida in 2004? What was the outcome?
Posted by: John Doe | March 23, 2007 at 10:18 AM
John Doe (sad to have such a name, everywhere you go on the internet people must think you're using a false name to avoid taking any responsibility for your posts),
the story about republicans invalidating military votes seemed strange to me too. The military as a whole was strongly pro-republican and pro Bush. Did they have reason to think these particular soldiers were going to vote against them? Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.
Posted by: J Thomas | March 23, 2007 at 10:45 AM
Funny. But now that you mention it, I somewhat regret being the only anonymous person here. I must stick out like a sore thumb among people whose real names are "hilzoy" and "cleek" and "ugh" and "anarch" and "heyhey."
Posted by: John Doe | March 23, 2007 at 11:28 AM
OTOH, Nixon left office unpopular, and lots of his people did well. Remember that Bork didn't make SCOTUS, but he did make the Federal bench.
Posted by: Barry | March 23, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Meaning to add onto the previous post:
The careers of the Nixon crew were helped by relentless right-wing media propaganda, as were the careers of the Reagan crew. The careers of the Bush II crew will be, as well. Never underestimate the power of a decade of flat-out lying.
Also, the right-wing foundation system will help these people. Instead of having to get honest jobs, they'll stay on, essentially still in the political system. They could ride out eight years of a Democratic presidency, all the time getting frequent media appearances.
Sweet, if you can get it.
Posted by: Barry | March 23, 2007 at 12:12 PM
I must stick out like a sore thumb among people whose real names are "hilzoy" and "cleek" and "ugh" and "anarch" and "heyhey."
Well, you do, because the name suggests you lack the imagination to think up something unique. Snarking about the fact that most of us have pseudonyms doesn't really change that.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | March 23, 2007 at 01:40 PM
I must stick out like a sore thumb among people whose real names are "hilzoy" and "cleek" and "ugh" and "anarch" and "heyhey."
well, that, and the constant pointless antagonism.
Posted by: cleek | March 23, 2007 at 03:27 PM
It's not a big deal, but I think "John Doe" as a handle is more like the popular "anon", "Anonymous", and "" than like "cleek" or "Anarch". It did take me a while to accept "Ugh", though, both because it seemed like a one-use handle for a disgusted comment (perhaps its origin?) and because it's not uncommon for me to start comments with the exclamation "ugh" and I have to watch out for that here now.
Posted by: KCinDC | March 23, 2007 at 03:44 PM
People who have valid email addresses or websites at least give the sense they're somebody in particular.
Posted by: John Doe | March 23, 2007 at 04:14 PM
That's true, John Doe 4;14pm, but that wouldn't apply to the earlier John Doe. I wouldn't normally bother noticing whether a "John Doe" had an address or not.
Posted by: KCinDC | March 23, 2007 at 04:41 PM
Here's another angle on the scandal, one that I'd thought about y'day as I was contemplating they why of them firing John McKay in Seattle. You see, the current Dem gov is not secure on her seat and may not be by 2008 (despite all the Repub screw ups on the national level, she has made a few of her own here--and a razor thin victory of 196 votes creates uncertainty). So if McKay was not doing the bidding of the Repubs by investigating, threatening to charge or charging Dems for bogus voter issues, then the Repubs needed to find someone who would. This might help skew the 2008 election their way. Now the McClatchy papers have confirmed this appears to be the rationale behind a number of US Atty replacements, not just in Seattle:
"Last April, while the Justice Department and the White House were planning the firings, Rove gave a speech in Washington to the Republican National Lawyers Association. He ticked off 11 states that he said could be pivotal in 2008. Bush has appointed new U.S. attorneys in nine of them since 2005: Florida, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Arkansas, Michigan, Nevada and New Mexico. U.S. attorneys in the latter four were among those fired.
Rove thanked the audience for “all that you are doing in those hot spots around the country to ensure that the integrity of the ballot is protected.” He added, “A lot in American politics is up for grabs.”...
One audience member asked Rove whether he’d “thought about using the bully pulpit of the White House to talk about election reform and an election integrity agenda that would put the Democrats back on the defensive.”
“Yes, it’s an interesting idea,” Rove responded."
Rove
Posted by: moe99 | March 23, 2007 at 05:48 PM
It did take me a while to accept "Ugh", though, both because it seemed like a one-use handle for a disgusted comment (perhaps its origin?)
Good guess.
because it's not uncommon for me to start comments with the exclamation "ugh" and I have to watch out for that here now.
That happened at Drum's place once (before the comments became unreadable), made the mistake of thinking someone was referring to me - didn't hold it against the person (my fault for posting as an exasperation).
Posted by: Ugh | March 23, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Well, you do, because the name suggests you lack the imagination to think up something unique. Snarking about the fact that most of us have pseudonyms doesn't really change that.
Um, that wasn't the point that J was making. He/she/it was snarking about the fact that I'm "using a false name to avoid taking any responsibility for your posts" -- but it's ridiculous to accuse only me of that, on a website where maybe 1% of the people use anything that resembles a real name (and even those could be pseudonyms).
Posted by: John Doe | March 23, 2007 at 06:59 PM
Looks like Gonzo is toast. Stick a fork in him.
Documents Show Gonzales Approved Firings
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By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 23, 2007
Filed at 10:31 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Attorney General Alberto Gonzales approved plans to fire several U.S. attorneys in a November meeting, according to documents released Friday that contradict earlier claims that he was not closely involved in the dismissals. The Nov. 27 meeting, in which the attorney general and at least five top Justice Department officials participated, focused on a five-step plan for carrying out the firings of the prosecutors, Justice Department officials said late Friday.
There, Gonzales signed off on the plan, which was crafted by his chief of staff, Kyle Sampson. Sampson resigned last week amid a political firestorm surrounding the firings.
The five-step plan involved notifying Republican home-state senators of the impending dismissals, preparing for potential political upheaval and naming replacements and submitting them to the Senate for confirmation.
The documents indicated that the hour-long morning discussion, held in the attorney general's conference room, was the only time Gonzales met with top aides who decided which prosecutors to fire and how to do it.
Justice spokeswoman Tasia Scolinos said it was not immediately clear whether Gonzales gave his final approval to begin the firings at that meeting. Scolinos also said Gonzales was not involved in the process of selecting which prosecutors would be asked to resign.
On March 13, in explaining the firings, Gonzales told reporters he was aware that some of the dismissals were being discussed but was not involved in them.
''I knew my chief of staff was involved in the process of determining who were the weak performers -- where were the districts around the country where we could do better for the people in that district, and that's what I knew,'' Gonzales said last week. ''But that is in essence what I knew about the process; was not involved in seeing any memos, was not involved in any discussions about what was going on. That's basically what I knew as the attorney general.''
Later, he added: ''I accept responsibility for everything that happens here within this department. But when you have 110,000 people working in the department, obviously there are going to be decisions that I'm not aware of in real time. Many decisions are delegated.''
The documents were released Friday night, a few hours after Sampson agreed to testify at a Senate inquiry next week into the firings of eight U.S. attorneys last year.
Asked to explain the difference between Gonzales' comments and his schedule, Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse largely sidestepped the question by saying the attorney general had relied on Sampson to draw up the plans on the firings.
''The attorney general has made clear that he charged Mr. Sampson with directing a plan to replace U.S. attorneys where for one reason or another the department believed that we could do better,'' Roehrkasse said. ''He was not, however, involved at the levels of selecting the particular U.S. attorneys who would be replaced.''
Gonzales this week directed the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility to investigate the circumstances of the firings, officials said. The department's inspector general also will participate in that investigation.
Nonetheless Democrats pounced late Friday.
''If the facts bear out that Attorney General Gonzales knew much more about the plan than he has previously admitted, then he can no longer serve as Attorney General,'' said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, who is heading the Senate's investigation into the firings.
Added House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers:
''This puts the Attorney General front and center in these matters, contrary to information that had previously been provided to the public and Congress.''
Presidential spokesman Trey Bohn referred questions to the Justice Department, saying White House officials had not seen the documents.
The developments were not what Republicans, skittish about new revelations, had hoped.
Earlier Friday, a staunch White House ally, Sen. John Cornyn, summoned White House counsel Fred Fielding to Capitol Hill and told him he wanted ''no surprises.''
''I told him, 'Everything you can release, please release. We need to know what the facts are,''' Cornyn said.
Sampson will appear Thursday at a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, his attorney said. His appearance will mark the first congressional testimony by a Justice Department aide since the release of thousands of documents that show the firings were orchestrated, in part, by the White House.
Sampson ''looks forward to answering the committee's questions,'' wrote his attorney, Brad Berenson, in a two-paragraph letter to Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and the panel's top Republican, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.
''We trust that his decision to do so will satisfy the need of the Congress to obtain information from him concerning the requested resignations of the United States attorneys,'' Berenson wrote.
E-mails between the White House and the Justice Department, dating back to the weeks immediately after the 2004 presidential election, show Sampson was heavily engaged in deciding how many prosecutors would be replaced, and which ones. The Bush administration maintains the dismissals of the eight political appointees were proper.
Democrats, however, question whether the eight were selected because they were not seen as, in Sampson's words, ''loyal Bushies.''
''He was right at the center of things,'' Schumer said earlier of Sampson. ''He has said publicly that what others have said is not how it happened. ... He contradicts DOJ.''
Schumer said he hoped Sampson would provide more detail about who initiated the firings and whether they were politically motivated.
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Associated Press writer Laurie Kellman contributed to this report.
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Sure, I was snarking a bit on the side. However, your argument that it isn't fair to give anybody any candy unless you give it to *everybody* is misguided and certainly not something that a Republican should get away with. That's like saying we shouldn't invade one evil dictatorship unless we invade them all.
And it's ridiculous for you of all people to accuse somebody else's actions of being ridiculous.
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