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January 03, 2007


Who knew Thomas Jefferson hated America?

Who knew Thomas Jefferson hated America?

the Danbury Baptist Association, for one.

I iz in ur Constitution, seperatin ur church n state.

I don't mean to be pedantic, but isn't the traditional Muslim view that a translation of the Koran just isn't the Koran and, therefore, would be a profane book to take an oath over?

I was wondering about that too, Ara, but presumably Ellison isn't a traditional Muslim.

Well, Jefferson was very cosmopolitan, and you know what means.

I think he was a metrosexual, too. Well, an agrasexual. He hated the cities.

Except for Paris, the traitor.

KCinDC: You are correct, sir - Ellison is affiliated with the Nation of Islam, IIRC.

According to Allahpundit (grain-of-salt alert), a Koran is not technically a Koran unless it is written in Arabic, so Prager and Goode should quit their bitchin'.

The earliest (that I heard) protest against Ellison using a Qu'ran for his swearing-in was Dennis Prager's comments on November 28. This may have been what sparked Ellison's decision to ask the Library of Congress for a copy with some history behind it - Prager's comments were really very ugly and very anti-American, and were greeted with appalling enthusiasm by bigots on the right.

Also wondered about a translated Koran.

Ellison and the Nation of Islam. Not I think great but not that bad.

As I recall, Christianity also had a little bit of a historical dust-up regarding the issue of translating its holy book.

As far as I know (which isn't really very far), swearing on the Qu'ran isn't an Islamic tradition at all. This whole thing is Ellison, justifiably in my view, trying to merge Islamic and American traditions. It's all symbolism, and a Muslim wouldn't consider swearing on an English translation any more profane or less binding than swearing on an Arabic copy, since it isn't a gesture that has the same meaning to them as it does to us.

As for Keith Ellison and the Nation of Islam, I have never seen any evidence that suggests that he was ever a member of it. He certainly isn't now, and is an orthodox Sunni.

sOT: speaking of traditional American values, i was wondering where CB had run off to. turns out he's over at Bizzaro World, advocating the advocating the bombing of an Arab TV station.

what a small world.

Cleek: i was wondering where CB had run off to. turns out he's over at Bizzaro World, advocating the bombing of an Arab TV station.

I presume that CB knows he's advocating that the US commit a war crime. I wonder if he cares?

Jes: I wonder if he cares?

Rhetorical question?


From the Bill Roggio article CB links to:

While the Iraqi soldiers and interpreters want al-Zawraa shut down, members of the U.S. intelligence community disagree. According to a military intelligence officer serving in Iraq, U.S. intelligence doesn't want to shut al-Zawraa down as it provides intelligence on the insurgents activities. When I asked senior American military and intelligence sources about shutting down pro-jihadi websites in the past, they expressed the same sentiment.

Why do senior American military and intelligence sources hate America?

The LA Times has more on Al Zawraa.

CBird's comment to his own post:

The ones that incite violence should be snuffed out, particularly those that exhort Sunnis to kill your fellow Americans who are putting their lives at risk to make Iraq a better place.

and CB is himself inciting violence, so .... ?

I mean, CB has long since lacked a certain self-awareness, but ... wow, just, wow. I'm speechless. [wordless?]

Francis, I think (hope) CB means "ones" to refer to the title of the comment, which is "There are messages and there are messages".

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