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December 19, 2006

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This is a fairly helpful visual guide to the various decision-making institutions in Iran.

..Whatever would we all do if the major news- outlets didn't manage to shoehorn every election held, in any country, into a lite- version of elections in the US..

JM's link had some flotsam attached to the end, here it is cleaned up.

*waves*

cool. so, when do we invade ?

... invade Libya, that is.

Re fleinn's comment at 2:24: What would we do? Probably (like hilzoy) go and check out different sources and actually try to learn something about how the world outside the US actually works.

(The implications of the US Media having to impose this onerous burden on the citizenry make it obvious why they don't!)

Oh, and btw, hilzoy; I think Nadezhda is a "he" (?) - thanks for the link to American Footprints, anyway - an excellent (IMO) FP blog.

Jay C: really? Live and learn. Anyways, I love AF.

hilzoy -- Thanks for doing the extra research. I tend to take for granted that our readers know stuff that people like, hey, uh maybe, say the average US Congresscritters don't know. So I've been surprised by the links to my post that seemed to take as "news" the fact that the President doesn't control foreign policy.

What I found more interesting was just how competitive the elections were. Granted, Khamenei rigs the process from the start by determining who can run, especially for the Council of Experts. As the Pepe Escobar article I quoted said, Khamenei seems to be "politicizing the religious system non-stop, to the point of the Islamic Republic nowadays being neither a democracy nor a theocracy: rather, it's a clerical autocracy". But there's a pretty wide range of both ideology and power groups at play, and the fighting is clearly intense because they seem to be playing for meaningful governance stakes.

Agree about Rafsanjani. Hey, the Iranians themselves call him the Shark. But he certainly seems to have nine lives politically. He was written off for dead two years ago as a corrupt has-been, rejected by the voters.

I was also interested in one of the parallels with our own elections. The importance of turnout -- one assumes low turnout is just "the base," so if the anti-Ahmadinejad forces were to do well, they had to get the "swing" voters who may have supported Ahmadinejad in the Presidential but are disenchanted.

And Jay C, just for the record, nadezhda is indeed a pseudonymn (it means "hope" in Russian). But I'm emphatically not male. Not that there would be anything wrong with that...

nadezhda:

My apologies: I was aware of the etymology of your pseud: the error in gender was, AFAIR, a misremembering of a comment you'd posted on the old LaT blog a while back.

Anyway, it's no difference to me: quality blogging (as hilzoy proves about a dozen times a week) is quite obviously, NOT gender-specific!

"The Assembly has the power to replace the supreme religious leader."

That's a great sentence.

P.S. Jackmormon, how goes it?

Nadezhda, never underestimate the ignorance of the american people. And none of this was surprising. Ahmedinejad was elected in a protest vote, not because of a sudden return to theological and moral rigor on the part of the Iranian electorate. It only makes sense that they turned back to the stability and well managed corruption Rafsanjani represents. And most Iranians are in favor of proceeding with nuclear research so that's not going to change.

Iran is not a boogeyman, though that's all we seem capable of imagining of outsiders.

Ok, John, thanks for asking. I need to get back to writing, I know.

Rafsanjani has also been implicated in the 1994 JCC bombing in Buenos Aires, Argentina, which killed 85. Argentinian prosecutors have requested an arrest warrant..

The Iranian constitution (which, for all the IRI's autocratic tendencies, is generally followed) creates a division of labor with respect to foreign policy. Article 110 gives the Supreme Leader "command of the Armed Forces" and authority over "declaration of war and peace," and article 176 gives the SNSC general authority over external threats and security policy (including defense and intelligence). On the other hand, appointment of ambassadors and conduct of diplomacy are presidential prerogatives. So it's probably fair to say that the leader, either directly or indirectly through the SNSC, has the final say over military and national security policy, while the president can conduct foreign policy in areas such as trade and cultural exchange.

(Not that I don't trust Nadezhda -- quite the contrary -- but I like looking things up.)

Man. You can take the girl out of academia...

...no, wait. You can't even do that!

I need to get back to writing, I know.

Slacker!

I strongly object to the idea that Rafsanjani is a 'moderate' leader. He simply was not and shows no indication whatsoever of being one now. This represents a reconsolidation of power (as if they needed it) for the Council of Guardians and the Expediency Discernment Council. Rafsanjani isn't a moderate leader so much as he is an extremist leader closely allied with the two most important Councils as opposed to an extremist leader not closely allied with the Councils (Ahmadinejad).

Sabo, you don't follow Iran much do you?

For the record: the best commentary I've seen on the Iranian elections, which regrettably I hadn't seen when I wrote this (and why not? I usually check his site every day; why didn't I check it this day?) is Jonathan Edelstein's.

And my sense is that Rafsanjani is what passes for a moderate in Iraq. Since I respect Seb, I;d be interested in hearing why he doesn't.

And my sense is that Rafsanjani is what passes for a moderate in Iraq. Since I respect Seb, I;d be interested in hearing why he doesn't.

I won't speak for Sebastian, but I've seen plenty of other people ignore the "in Iran" (I'm presuming you mean Iran not Iraq) when discussing the Iranian elections. This is something that Abu Aardvark has hammered on for a while: "moderate" is relative, not absolute.

Yikes: yes, Iran.

One data point: he is, as I noted, widely regarded as corrupt. People who can be bought, and not just a little but enough to acquire a widespread reputation, tend not to be the same people who are willing to go down in flames for their principles. (There are, of course, exceptions.)

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