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November 06, 2006

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OCSteve, Sebastian: If you think Wisconsin/Milwaukee was stolen you have to take it up with a [Republican] guy named Steve Biskupic. ("No vote fraud plot found" -- Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, Dec 5, 2005, 7 months after your link, OCSteve)

Retail fraud is hard. You need a well-established machine, because without the cooperation of a whole lot of election officers and poll watchers, you can't get enough traction to tip even a whole district. It's a lot safer to suppress your opponents' turnout. Especially if they're easily distinguished demographically.

Ok, speaking of BSG: did we, or did we not, actualy see Vger?

Enquiring minds would like to know.

Another enquiring mind wonders: if a person missed the last episode of BSG, is there any way she can find it? (ITunes seems to want me to buy a whole season; no more reuns on SciFi.)

You can still buy individual episodes of BSG on iTunes. It does take them a few days to add the most recent episode, though, so the one that aired Friday isn't available yet. You might also check SciFi.com. I think they let you watch episodes there, in a browser-based player.

Or. I should say, I still see the option to buy individual episodes. I broke down and bought the season, myself.

I watched it last night on SciFi, JFTR. Although sometimes it shows on one of the HD channels, which is...well, just the best.

Side note: yes, I am aware it's spelled actually, but sometimes my fingers forget.

Good example today, of exactly how tricky retail fraud really is. Daggett County, Utah. Republicans try to fix a Sherriff's race, with the cooperation of pretty much everybody, and they still get busted. I mean this is rural Utah, ferpetessake. That's at least as lopsided as Chicago in the fifties. (of course the Chicago machine had plenty of time to refine its technique -- the Campbell family are presumably rank amateurs.)

Given that this is Election Day, this is the best news possible.

Slarti: that's a fascinating story, and one that implies a whole bunch of stuff that people didn't know was possible. For that reason, I really want to see the underlying article, which I'll try to find after the election. Until now, as I understand it, it had been a completely open question whether the kind of stem cells found in cord blood could be made to differentiate into other kinds of tissue (I mean: other than the kinds that can normally be grown from hematopoetic cells, which they are), let alone turned into 'mini-livers'.

Mists of dreams drip along the nascent echo and love no more, Slarti.

OCSteve, Sebastian: If you think Wisconsin/Milwaukee was stolen you have to take it up with a [Republican] guy named Steve Biskupic.

I mentioned a while back that there were voter irregularities in Wisconsin but that they were too complicated to go into at the time; this is part of the reason why.

Anarch is the hybrid?

Slart, that is an amazing piece of news.

David Crosby's stem cells weren't anywhere in the vicinity, were they?

If you think Wisconsin/Milwaukee was stolen you have to take it up with a [Republican] guy named Steve Biskupic

I never meant to imply it was stolen – just that the number of suspect votes was a concern given the margin. Thanks for linking the follow up article – I had not seen that. I can live with a few dozen a lot better than 6,000!

Although I will note that Ralph Nader is still being attacked -- fairly or not -- for his role in 2000.
I'd argue that it's entirely fair, Lemuel. The number of votes Nader drew in Florida was enough that if even a fraction of the people who had voted for him had instead cast ballots for Gore, Bush would never have gotten into the Oval Office.

Presidential humor of the day:

We live in a free society, and our government is only as good as the willingness of our people to participate in it. And therefore, no matter what your party affiliation, or if you don't have a party affiliation, do your duty; cast your ballot and let your voice be heard.
Almost as good as when various members of the administration were decrying divisiveness and partisanship.

Prodigal: I'd argue that it's entirely fair, Lemuel. The number of votes Nader drew in Florida was enough that if even a fraction of the people who had voted for him had instead cast ballots for Gore, Bush would never have gotten into the Oval Office.

If even a fraction of the votes that were both punched for Gore and had Al Gore's name written in had been counted as votes for Gore (as, according to Florida law, they should have been) Bush would never have gotten into the Oval Office. 46,000 people thus voted for Gore and had their votes discarded as "spoiled ballots": how many votes was Bush supposed to have "won" by, again?

It's ridiculous to blame people who voted for Nader for "letting Bush in", when it's been known since November 2001 that the candidate who actually won in Florida was Al Gore. I suppose it might have been harder for the Florida Republican party to rig the election so that Bush got in if Gore had got a few more votes from Nader voters, but certainly not impossible.

Prodigal, the problem with the analysis is that if Nader hadn't been running the whole election campaign would have gone differently. Bush and Gore decided how to distribute their resources with the knowledge that Nader was running, so without him who knows what would have been done differently. Besides that, the number of Democrats who voted for Bush was far larger than the number of Nader votes, so those people are at least as much to blame.

Of course, when an election is that close there are innumerable things one can point to that could have swung it. My favorite is the Palm Beach County butterfly ballot -- the most significant user interface design mistake in history.

Jes, to be meaningful that 46,000 number needs to be accompanied by the number of ballots marked similarly for Bush.

Jes, to be meaningful that 46,000 number needs to be accompanied by the number of ballots marked similarly for Bush.

You're right, of course. (cite) There were 17,000 such overvotes for Bush.

There were 17,000 such overvotes for Bush.

Sha. At least oneL of those was a write-in for Bush's Chili Hot Beans, I have it on excellent authority

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