by hilzoy
I'm going to try to embed a YouTube clip (via Atrios) for the first time ever:
It's CNN's Michael Ware talking about Iraq, and it's heartbreaking.
One of the questions he's asked is: is Iraq really in a civil war? Personally, I think it's been in a civil war, of increasing intensity, for quite a while now, and I can't imagine what people who deny this are thinking. Maybe they're waiting for the Monitor to come steaming up the Tigris, or for Iraqi mortar rounds to actually hit Fort Sumter. However, since I've been reading Nicholas Lemann's Redemption (highly recommended), I have an alternative suggestion: Iraq is the American South in 1875, in an alternate universe.
1875 was the year in which the KKK, the White Line, the Knights of the White Camellia, and their ilk -- terrorist militia groups founded by members of the power base of a loathsome and murderous political regime because of their unwillingness to accept the fact that that regime had been toppled by the US Army, and that people they did not want to be ruled by were winning popular elections -- succeeded in making their territory ungovernable by the powers that had replaced that regime, by the simple expedient of killing or terrorizing anyone whom they suspected of sympathizing with those powers. In my alternate universe, blacks organized militias of their own to fight these groups using similar tactics. In the actual world, the Democratic party in the Deep South was like Sinn Fein: a political organization with its very own paramilitary organization. In my alternate universe, the Republican party would follow suit, and rival racial militias would sweep through the South, killing anyone they thought was of, or sympathized with, the wrong race.
Perhaps I should alter the universe further by placing a significantly larger and richer country whose population was almost entirely black right next door. Or perhaps I should just say: Iraq is Bleeding Kansas, only much, much more so.
Or perhaps we can just dispense with the semantics and just agree that it's a nightmare, and a lasting shame.
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Relatedly: I don't always like George Packer (though I may be biased; it's a long story), but he's absolutely right in this piece:
"Withdrawal means that the United States will have to watch Iraqis die in ever greater numbers without doing much of anything to prevent it, because the welfare of Iraqis will no longer be among our central concerns. Those Iraqis who have had anything to do with the occupation and its promises of democracy will be among the first to be killed: the translators, the government officials, the embassy employees, the journalists, the organizers of women's and human rights groups. As it is, they are being killed one by one. (I personally know at least half a dozen of them who have been murdered.) Without the protection of the Green Zone, U.S. bases, or the inhibiting effect on the Sunni and Shia militias of 150,000 U.S. troops, they will be killed in much greater numbers. To me, the relevant historical analogy is not the helicopters taking off from the roof of the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, leaving thousands of Vietnamese to the reeducation camps. It is the systematic slaughter by the Khmer Rouge of every Cambodian who appeared to have had anything to do with the West.If the United States leaves Iraq, our last shred of honor and decency will require us to save as many of these Iraqis as possible. In June, a U.S. Embassy cable about the lives of the Iraqi staff was leaked to The Washington Post. Among many disturbing examples of intimidation and fear was this sentence: "In March, a few staff approached us to ask what provisions would we make for them if we evacuate." The cable gave no answer. The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad does not issue visas. Iraqis who want to come to the United States must make their way across dangerous territory to a neighboring country that has a U.S. Embassy with a consular section. Iran and Syria do not; Jordan has recently begun to bar entry to Iraqi men under the age of 35. For a military translator to have a chance at coming to the United States, he must be able to prove that he worked for at least a year with U.S. forces and have the recommendation of a general officer--nearly impossible in most cases. Our current approach essentially traps Iraqis inside their country, where they will have to choose, like Osman, between jihadists and death squads.
We should start issuing visas in Baghdad, as well as in the regional embassies in Mosul, Kirkuk, Hilla, and Basra. We should issue them liberally, which means that we should vastly increase our quota for Iraqi refugees. (Last year, it was fewer than 200.) We should prepare contingency plans for massive airlifts and ground escorts. We should be ready for desperate and angry crowds at the gates of the Green Zone and U.S. bases. We should not allow wishful thinking to put off these decisions until it's too late. We should not compound our betrayals of Iraqis who put their hopes in our hands."
Tear up the immigration quotas. Take them all in. They trusted us; we cannot leave them to be slaughtered for the supposed crime of having tried to help us.
Jes: And you think that the US military will risk their lives to stop genocide?
I saw your previous rant, so I’ll try to be careful here. There is no arguing about bad elements in any group. But I will say, without fear of having to back down, EVER, yes. There is no doubt in my mind that the bulk of our troops would. Many have established good relationships with Iraqis. Many believe that they are working for the good of the Iraqi people as a whole.
The US military, given enough leash, will risk their lives to stop any genocide, anytime, anywhere. You could get a pick-up battalion of volunteers to embark for Darfur tomorrow. It is the UN that would make them ineffective once they got there.
If you want to bash specific individuals, units, commanders, whatever – have at it. But this is way too broad a statement.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 06:26 PM
rilkefan :We would have had to start a Friedman ago to be in a position to deploy them now.
Disagree. We have the capability to marshal troops anywhere in the world in a matter of days. Now as others have pointed out, equipping them properly is another matter. You also don’t want to insert a bunch of green units into a situation like this. You’d want to incorporate the “newbies” into experienced units for some hand-holding etc. But if SecDef said, “I want 50,000 more troops in Baghdad by a week from Monday.” It would happen.
Dantheman: The part of the plan OC Steve cited which sounds most unlikely is point 4
Yeah, I’m still chewing on that too. I think I agree with you. Still – it’s the best overall suggestion I have seen in a while.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 06:45 PM
'But if SecDef said, “I want 50,000 more troops in Baghdad by a week from Monday.” It would happen.'
We have the planes to move them? The tents to house them? The MREs to feed them? The wherewithal to organize them once arrived? Also note I was talking about having the old 450k figure there or at least x2 from now - 50k won't do it. Also I thought the Baghdad airport was closed and the road to the capitol barely- or unsecured.
Of course take as "deploy" "put in place combat-ready units and maintain them".
Posted by: rilkefan | November 29, 2006 at 06:58 PM
rilkefan: Of course take as "deploy" "put in place combat-ready units and maintain them".
Yes I am oversimplifying things and exaggerating. A reaction I suppose to those who think all is hopeless and we can’t do anything at all.
So I’ll just say that I am confident that we do have more troops we can deploy, we can do it a lot sooner than 6 months from now, and I’ll leave it to the military to handle the logistics.
I’ve done more than my share of EDREs (Emergency Deployment Readiness Exercise) where you go from sleeping in your own bed, getting a call at 2AM, loading your entire company and all its equipment onto C141s at dawn, and eating dinner in the woods on the other side of the country or even another country followed by rolling into a 30 day field exercise with only what you brought with you. It sucks but the plans, the training, and the experience are there.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 07:23 PM
I'm ignorantly confident that we could put combat troops immediately into theater x and take objective y - I'm very skeptical that we can drop soldiers from say Darmstadt into Iraq and have them peacekeep any time soon at the distinguish-militia-A-from-B-from-C level while winning hearts and minds (and do so without breaking the army).
Anyway the barn door has been open for a long time now. If you'd been SecDef back in late '03 we might have had a chance, but 2x or 3x for 10 years???
Posted by: rilkefan | November 29, 2006 at 07:40 PM
OCSteve: The problem with that scenario, IMO, is that (unless I misunderstand?) you were called up for, essentially, some kind of force projection, a job for which you were (I presume) superlatively trained. Our units outside of Iraq simply haven't been trained in the requisite arts -- a weird hybrid of force protection, police patrols and local diplomats -- which, in addition to requiring specialized training, also requires logistical supplies far in excess of the minimal requirements you enumerated above.
Or, to use a somewhat silly analogy: if all I want to do in class is to rail at my students or to lecture at them, I don't need to eat, shower, shave or even get any sleep; I can do both on autopilot. [In one memorable case, while actually falling asleep at the blackboard.] This is, if you'll pardon the hubris, the teaching equivalent of force projection. If I actually want to get my students to learn -- which requires engaging their interest, maintaining their focus and attention, inculcating certain attitudes, etc. -- I need to make sure that I'm well-rested, that I'm presentable, that I personally am engaged, and so forth. They're nominally the same task, close enough that most non-experts couldn't really tell the difference... but they're entirely different in their purpose, their effects, and their results.
Posted by: Anarch | November 29, 2006 at 08:05 PM
rilkefan: I'm very skeptical that we can drop soldiers from say Darmstadt into Iraq and have them peacekeep any time soon at the distinguish-militia-A-from-B-from-C level while winning hearts and minds (and do so without breaking the army).
Can’t argue. I’m not saying anything will be simple or easy, just that we can do something, just disagreeing with those who say it is hopeless.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 08:11 PM
Anarch: Same response.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 08:12 PM
"just disagreeing with those who say it is hopeless"
I'd guess that even say Jes would agree that there'd be hope of a good outcome in Iraq if we put our entire society's full effort into it (e.g. Bush announces tomorrow that he's cancelling football until we set up a stable democracy in Iraq). From our point of view the argument is about things that are practically achievable (even ignoring politically achievable). Friedman says 2x for ten years. I think we're in for about $2 trillion already all told - ready to toss another $10 trillion plus into the pot? Ready to deal with world opinion after year 5 of crushing dissent in Fallujah?
Truth to tell, I'm going to vote for $10 trillion against AIDS in Africa before reconquering Iraq.
Posted by: rilkefan | November 29, 2006 at 08:26 PM
OK. Some agreement, some disagreement.
Posted by: OCSteve | November 29, 2006 at 08:30 PM
Gambler's Ruin as applied to the St Petersburg paradox seems particularly appropriate here...
Posted by: Anarch | November 29, 2006 at 09:10 PM
I agree with OCSteve that US soldiers would want to stop genocide; I agree that they'd do their damndest to stop it. I have a high opinion of our armed forces.
The issue is whether they'd be able to.
How concentrated are the militias within Baghdad? Within Sadr City? The problem up til now has been that anti-insurgent campaigns have all been whack-a-mole: US forces cordon off one place and raze it to the ground (Fallujah) only to find the insurgents/militias have moved elsewhere. US forces go to the elsewhere, and the same thing happens.
Has the civil war become so focused within Baghdad that, if the militias could be defeated there, the civil war would die out?
Are there specific areas within Baghdad (like Sadr City) which are known homebases for the major militias, which a Baghdad-wide pacification effort could concentrate on?
If the major militias were taken out, would that leave the various insurgencies without a central command, or supply, or strategy - sufficient that they could be mopped up before they get as bad as the major militias?
Are the chances of overall success (i.e., clean out Baghdad and the insurgency/civil war throughout the country dies back enough to be dealt with) good enough to risk letting the rest of the country go to hell in order to focus entirely on Baghdad? And by "letting the rest of the country go to hell" I mean more than abandoning other provinces to their own devices. I mean drawing troops away from everything else they've been doing, including guarding infrastructure, politicians, and even the Green Zone.
In short: would an all-or-nothing, no-sh*t-we-mean-it, full throttle offensive in Baghdad succeed in killing off most of the insurgents/militias driving the civil war?
Posted by: CaseyL | November 29, 2006 at 11:02 PM
OCSteve: If you want to bash specific individuals, units, commanders, whatever – have at it. But this is way too broad a statement.
I agree. It was. I was tired and emotional and getting annoyed at people who were telling me I wasn't being hopeful and there must be solutions, when, really, there aren't any.
Rilke: I'd guess that even say Jes would agree that there'd be hope of a good outcome in Iraq if we put our entire society's full effort into it (e.g. Bush announces tomorrow that he's cancelling football until we set up a stable democracy in Iraq).
Yeah, fair enough. And that would also answer the question of where you'd get your troops: if there were a million or so healthy, young (20-30 say), reasonably fit people in the US willing to volunteer immediately for a crash course in special military training* that would see them deployed in Iraq in six months, plus half a million more who didn't need to be as young or as fit who were willing to volunteer immediately to be support staff, then that answers the question of where do you get your troops. That would of course also require immediate investment in resources in the US and in Iraq to house and feed and supply those troops, and in military equipment. That's the kind of thing the US could do if there were competent governance and considered itself to be on a war footing. But, how would you deal with the 1.5 million ponies**?
*specifically targetted towards their being a policing force in Iraq. So long as we're dreaming.
**Actually, I think under the circumstances*** we're talking pink unicorns, not ponies.
*** And, while I'm sorry I got tired and emotional and ranty, still: truly, honestly, how I feel is - there are real people dying in Iraq. More will die. Making yourself feel better by telling yourself that the situation isn't hopeless because look! ponies! pink unicorns! strikes me as cuddling a teddy-bear for comfort while your neighbour's house burns to the ground.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | November 30, 2006 at 02:58 AM
would an all-or-nothing, no-sh*t-we-mean-it, full throttle offensive in Baghdad succeed in killing off most of the insurgents/militias driving the civil war?
No.
There is no way on earth for U.S. forces to get enough accurate intelligence on the people directing the attacks and most actively involved in carrying them out: they are supported by entire communities who depend on them for security against the other side.
Someone earlier in the thread cited Nir Rosen's new piece in Boston Review, which runs anecdotally through the last three years of the escalation of the Shia-Sunni war. Read it and see if you could come up with a way of pacifying Baghdad that isn't simply rounding up every male in Baghdad between the ages of 15 and 65.
Posted by: Nell | November 30, 2006 at 09:34 AM
Nell: Read it and see if you could come up with a way of pacifying Baghdad that isn't simply rounding up every male in Baghdad between the ages of 15 and 65.
That would work. Hooray! The US has prevented Iraqis committing genocide...
...oh, wait.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | November 30, 2006 at 01:27 PM