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October 13, 2006

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Have a lovely weekend, and enjoy the break from the military and the blog.

Have a good weekend!

Have fun. Flowers are always good ;)

If your wife sounds too much like John Thullen, look for signs of Psi-Corps manipulation. :)

Bruce: If his wife sounds anything like John Thullen, it must be another Democratic dirty trick carried out by gay operatives.

"If his wife sounds anything like John Thullen, it must be another Democratic dirty trick carried out by gay operatives."

Probably a Benedict Armani. Apparently that's the term for your girlfriend's gay male friend who always makes you look bad by comparison.

If your wife sounds anything like John Thullen, you and my wife can start a support group.

and each town looks the same to me
the movies and factories
and every stranger's face I see
reminds me that I long to be

homeward bound
I wish I was
homeward bound

home, where my thoughts are straying
home, where my music's playing
home, where my love lies waiting

silently for me


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Aim America files for Chap 11. i'm not a bit surprised.

it never seemed likely, to me, that lefties would flock to radio to get their political info and daily dose of opposition-demonization, day after day.

on a different note, Chris Shays says "Abu Ghraib" was just "a sex ring".

cleek:

I don't know how much you know about Chapter 11. It may be that the network is perfectly viable, but not with its current creditor/investor set-up. If that is true, then all that happens is an adjustment of numbers and ownership interests on pieces of paper, and a lot of money spent on lawyers to finalize the deal.

On the other hand, some businesses are not viable no matter how they are adjusted. Don't know which applies here.

I don't know how much you know about Chapter 11

very little. nearly nothing.

but i assume it's a sign that a company isn't healthy and growing.

?

Under chapter 11 the company continues running and its capital structure is reorganized with the creditors ending up owning most of the company afterwards; this is done as its generally thought that the business is worth more as a going concern rather than being liquidated (which is chapter 7). I believe every major american carrier is currently operating under chapter 11 (with maybe one exception; Southwest doesn't count as a major carrier).

I know that was thrilling.

Keep in mind that with Southwests market cap you outright buy Delta, American and Continental.

Although why anyone would want to do that is beyond me!

Under chapter 11 the company continues running and its capital structure is reorganized with the creditors ending up owning most of the company afterwards;

That's the hoped-for outcome anyway. My understanding is that most Chapter 11 filings end up in Chapter 7. If the company is losing money on its operations, that is, losing money even before making interest payments, it's in trouble unless it can attract equity investors.

Come back, Shane! One of the mysteries about that movie, besides Alan Ladd's actual height, is the idea that as he rode off into the distance, you couldn't tell if his gunshot wound was fatal and he remained upright in the saddle, or if he lived to wander homeless with love forever unrequieted.

Alright, enough about Andrew.

Open thread?: John Cole is on fire today. I'm nearly ready to start liking him.

Open Thread: Matt Yglesias's link is suffering link rot.

Grameen Bank win the Nobel Peace Prize. That's a big deal, and great and highly deserved recognition for an organization that is actually making the world a better place for the least fortunate.

According to Josh Marshall, Curt Weldon is under investigation by the Justice Department.

Hilzoy hits the weekend with skip in her step.

Yeah Francis, I'm quite happy with him winning too. Microcredit is really really valuable IMHO.

"Open Thread: Matt Yglesias's link is suffering link rot."

So is James Casey's. Respectful of Otters again hasn't posted since July 11. Body And Soul hasn't posted in I don't know how long; she had about 1 post a month for the first half of 2006 (though Jeanne posts at Tom Tomorrow instead for about that long).

The Way of the Intercepting Fisk gave it up in May. Conservative Eyes quit last January, and that was the first post since July, 2005. Can You Defeat My Swordstyle? seems to be a dead link.

It's also a little unfair to list Balloon Juice as "John Cole", given how long Tim F. has been there (and there's that new guy who talks about wine).

FYI Respectful of Otters has a young child and posts pretty regularly at http://rivka.livejournal.com/

More grist for the libertarian discussion.

"FYI Respectful of Otters has a young child and posts pretty regularly at http://rivka.livejournal.com/"

Yes, Rivka is a lovely person, we have many friends in common that each of us have known for many years, and lots of people have livejournals; she still hasn't posted at her blog (which I blogrolled, myself, while she was blogging there). FYI.

I was referring (too vaguely) to the last couple of posts specifically written by John Cole.

If Tim has penned them, it would be great, but unremarkable.

Since I daren't look at the BSG thread, I'm also posting this here, though I'm highly doubtful I'll get any response (weepwail!).

I'm carefully averting my eyes from the rest of the [BSG] post, and the comments, because I don't have frakking cable tv, and thus won't see these episodes until they come out on DVD.

IJWTS that I suppose I'm the only one here with this plight (and anyone else in it is unlikely to be reading this thread), so I'm sure it's futile for me to ask if there would be any interest in discussing the episodes that, so far as I and others without cable are concerned, just came out a couple of weeks ago, the 2.5 episodes?

Besides, there's all the deleted scenes, and extended episodes, you folks watching the inferior, shortened, cable versions, didn't get to discuss before the real, DVD, versions came out.

;-)

Or we could do a viewing and discussion starting from the mini-series, even....

Post responses, if any, please, in the most recent open thread; I daren't come back to this thread to check for any, lest I learn horrible spoilers, like the death of a major character, or jumping ahead ten years, or somesuch.

John Thullen: "I was referring (too vaguely) to the last couple of posts specifically written by John Cole."

What's this in response to, John? (If it's in response to my response to Francis's comment about link rot in the blogroll, it seems, um, head-scratching, but perhaps you're responding to something else I'm missing.)

And speaking of Gerry Studds, Gerry Studds, First Openly Gay Congressman, Dies at 69.

I'm sure he was thrilled, in his last days, to be freshly attacked by the Republicans for events of 30 years ago.

At least he lived to have this:

Mr. Hara married Mr. Studds shortly after gay marriage was legalized in Massachusetts in 2004.

Slight grumble, incidentally: "Last's night's episode, starting with the title, suggests that New Caprica will be only a brief way-station on the way to Earth, although I'll concede that all could changed based on what happens next week."

This constitutes a spoiler. I wouldn't have any idea what "New Caprica" was if not for previous spoilers round the net I've been unable to avoid (I still have the last disc to go).

I mention this only to request that folks please not mention such stuff outside of designated threads, if you would be so kind. Thanks.

"IJWTS that I suppose I'm the only one here with this plight (and anyone else in it is unlikely to be reading this thread), so I'm sure it's futile for me to ask if there would be any interest in discussing the episodes that, so far as I and others without cable are concerned, just came out a couple of weeks ago, the 2.5 episodes?"

No, apparently everyone is het-wild-crazy about the latest episode, and it's all about that.

Prior espisodes, the general themes, the extended episodes, the the deleted scenes, the stuff implied, the meaning, the details, all the stuff that can be generally discussed without excluding the rest of us: no interest.

It's all about the latest.

Man, this is frustrating.

Cable tv is about $45/month. I'm in the hole almost $200/month. Cable isn't in my range of possibilities.

Damnit, it's frustrating.

Each season, people talk about stuff I, and folks like me, will see a year later, and then they have no interest in talking about it.

Must find or found a support group, or something.

And you aren't even seeing the whole episodes. That's a point I really don't get.

# liberal japonicus on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # liberal japonicus on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # Slartibartfast on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # mss on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # double-plus-ungood on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # Jesurgislac on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # Andrew on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # Anarch on BSG Blogging: Exodus, Part I # Slartibartfast on Do You Feel Safer Now?
...tells the story, though.

Sigh. Outa here. Can't stand the frustration and uninterest.

And you aren't even seeing the whole episodes.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.

And I apologize for the spoiler. I'll be more cautious with future posts.

"I also find it inordinately frustrating when people attack some minor point in an essay while implying that an error there invalidates the entire essay."

See, this is where you become a kook.

I must have made more than a hundred comments on your blog, prior to your coming over here, intending, by my digresions, to establish a friendly, chatty, relationship.

Because in my admittedly wonky, oddball, unique, expericiene, one makes friends via individual experiences.

Instead, you took each one as a political attack.

Eventually, I gave up.

See, chat is not "attack."

It became clear, eventually, that every single friendly comment I was making, you took as an "attack."

I've always enjoyed disengaged discussion, and digression, as a gesture of friendship, and community.

You took it as an a "attack."

To me, this is bizarre.

To you, not.

I suggest considering it otherwise.

"I have no idea what you're talking about here."

Um, well, the lack of seeing the whole episodes. Pegasus, for instance.

The lack of seeing the whole episodes.

Like, the fact that, the episodes were longer than broadcast?

That the broadcast episodes were shorter than the whole episodes?

I'm not sure how else to put it.

I suppose we could take up discussing the Lord of the Rings films of Peter Jackson.

I'd say that the films consisted of the full versions, and that the theatertical versions were short, edited, inferior, versions, and that only those on DVD were the real films.

What counted as "real" would still be subjective.

But my perspective would be that they were far fuller, and the "real" versions.

Similarly, I'd say that the cut versions of BSG that were broadcast were less the "real" versions than those on DVD.

This is, to be sure, a subjective debate that is not objectively resolvable. It's all perspective.

I apologize if I was cranky, earlier. The fact is that the whole thing makes me cranky. I acknowledge it. I apologize.

All I can say is that making me wait all this time for good discussion makes me crazy.

And I still never get it, anyway.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Andrew, I think Gary might be thinking that the discussion on the BSG thread (which always reminds me of MSG, which gets me to thinking of Chinese food), is that he is not looking at them and doesn't know the bulk of the comments are about Dr. Who and college football. If I am understanding the problem

Of course, avoiding spoilers for TV series is a lot harder than avoiding spoilers for a movie, but there was a request made of Andrew to discuss this and the other regulars seem happy as clams. It is always disappointing that Gary can't participate (especially in discussions of science fiction), but I'm not sure what to do to remedy this.

Well, the world needs a few kooks here and there. Otherwise things would be boring.

As for the episodes, perhaps they are inferior. But they're available; there's something to be said for that. As Patton once observed, a good plan executed violently right now is superior to the perfect plan executed too late.

Too late is, of course, a relative term.

Sorry, that first para got mangled. Anyway, I am thinking that Gary thinks we have a roaring discussion on BSG when we are actually not, which is how I take the listing of the comments.

First, apologies to Andrew that I got frustrated trying to post a comment to his blog (as usual), and accidentally pasted it here. (I only plead attention deficit disorder.)

Secondly, I asked, plead, repetitively, for non-episode, spoiler-free, BSG comments, to be posted here or other than the spoiler thread.

A whole bunch of comments have been made to the spoiler thread.

I assume people aren't doing that to be deliberately obnoxious.

Alternatively, I'm not sure what to make of LJ's comment: people are, in fact, trying to be obnoxious, or are just being unintentionally obnoxious, or are talking about the episode, or are not talking about the episode, or are I dunno what.

Whatever.

So far as I know, y'all are having a great talk about BSG. Kewl. I can't hardly hold against anyone that joy.

At this point I'm starting to regret ever mentioning anything about it. Frak.

If anyone would like to discuss what to me are cool new things about season 2.5, or, for that matter, what I never, ever, got to discuss with anyone about season 2.0, or season 1, that would be great.

Somewhere.

And now, again, bye for now.

So far as I know, y'all are having a great talk about BSG.

I told you, we aren't. Or at least I'm not, nor is Anarch, Slarti, Jes, mss, and d+ug. I addressed my comment to Andrew to try and explain why you clipped a list of comments, but I also included the information that the thread has gone off in other directions so thinking that people are just commenting in that thread is an attempt to diss you is not really based on anything that is actually going on in the thread. I understand that you aren't going to look on the off chance that we are going to reveal something that will ruin BSG for you, but I think you can safely look at the last 15 comments and not have that happen. That's all I'm saying.

"I told you, we aren't."

I'm understanding, okay, you're having a lousy talk about BSG. You're not talking about non-BSG stuff, having realized that would be a nasty exclusionary thing.

I'll believe you. You'd never mislead me.

Since no one mentions: CBGB, fer goodness sakes.

And OMFUG!

a good plan executed violently right now
Yikes, for a full second I read that as "a good man", presumably because I'd just read on Balkinization about an American sentenced to death in Iraq -- not to say that the guy is a good man, but regardless of his character he certainly deserves a legitimate process for determining guilt (unfortunately our president and the majority of the Congress disagree).

As an old K-Stater, what did you think of Manhattan, Andrew? (Be kind...)

Manhattan was nice enough. I really liked a lot of the older architecture, although sometimes the combination of older buildings with newer elements was a bit unattractive. I liked Aggieville, though, and spent a lot of time in different parts of Manhattan. The general consensus was that Manhattan was the best part of the area, although we would have liked it if it were closer to Riley.

KCinDC: Yikes, for a full second I read that as "a good man", presumably because I'd just read on Balkinization about an American sentenced to death in Iraq

And presumably, that incident is making a stir primarily because the victim is American. If he were Iraqi, or Saudi, or Iranian...?

Gary, if it's any consolation, I don't have cable either. I don't care about BSG, and so haven't looked at that thread at all. But I do watch Deadwood on DVD, and so have had to avoid threads on season three.

And presumably, that incident is making a stir primarily because the victim is American. If he were Iraqi, or Saudi, or Iranian...?

Jes, have you turned over a new, and overly charitable, leaf? You could say Pole, Italian, or Brit without changing the meaning of the sentence.

Gary: is broadband as expensive? Over here cable is approximately 18 euro and broadband starts at approximately 20 euro (depending on required speed).

I download most episodes of series I like, or shows like The Daily Show. If I like them I usually buy the DVD's afterwards, unless they don't do English subtitles ('cause I can add those myself and it makes watching more fun for foreigners like me).

Downloading is legal here. Uploading isn't, but downloading and copying for own use is - we pay copyrights as part of the price of the empty media we use.

"Gary: is broadband as expensive?"

Both broadband and cable are far out of my reach.

As I've mentioned, I start every month about $100 in the hole, as regards my necessities of food and prescriptions. Thus I tend to engage in what I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate: begging on the internet.

And I still tend to not get enough for the full amount of prescriptions.

Beyond that, I tend to lack for stuff like replacement underwear, and whatnot clothing. Let alone that in five years here, I have no oven. Etc., as regards basics.

So, given the lack of basics, like replacement clothing, or an oven, or something beyond the tiny-fridge, well, there's a list of stuff.

I'd need a lot to start thinking about how I could possibly afford ~$45/month for cable tv, or another ~$35 to go beyond my donated dialup connection.

I try to avoid mentioning this stuff, though it probably doesn't seem like that from outside my perspective. From mine, it's something that comes up pretty much every second, after all.

In other words "approximately 18 euro" a month is huge riches to me.

Not to mention that going to the health clinic is $10, and $3 for the bus, etc., etc., etc., as regards other necessities.

And these days my health is so crap that if I can make it to the supermarket some 6 blocks away, it's a bit of a miracle, given that I can barely make it down the stairs, or half a block, without major pauses, resting, panting, etc.

Life sucks a bit more than I'd prefer, frankly.

But it beats the alternative.

Incidentally, let me make clear that I receive no governmental support. Colorado assumes that all single males don't need that sort of thing. I get not a penny from any government. Yay, libertarianism!

Oh, and before someone asks, yes, I'm theoretically eligible for "food stamps" (a card, actually, these days), but in practice, no one gets that in this state for four months, due to underfunding -- hey, you can do without food for that long, right? -- and then there are a lot of hoops to jump through that drive off most people, a la most "welfare reform," which in reality tends to mean: go away.

I've gotten it a handful of months over the past few years, when I've not failed filling out the forms correctly, etc. Hurrah for welfare reform, which in Colorado means, among other things, only mothers with children get any aid, and then only after a huge number of hoops, and for a limited time, etc., etc., etc.

Nonetheless, I was a liberal decades before any of this.

I'm just crankier now.

So far as I know, y'all are having a great talk about BSG.

I told you, we aren't.

Sure.

I'm entirely convinced I shouldn't be bothered that folks are talking about stuff that excludes the rest of us.

I'm entirely sure that everyone cares to include us.

I'm quite convinced that you want to talk to other people, like us.

Entirely.

It never happened.

We spent the whole Sunday chatting.

Who could deny this nice day?

Awfully quiet around here.

Aside from the exclusionary Battlestar Galactica stuff.

Sigh.

Anyone interested in old BSG stuff? That is, the new stuff, for the rest of us?

Scar? Whatever.

Anything else?

If it makes you feel any better, the only thing going on in the BSG post was a request for me to read a book. I'm not sure that really does much to liven up the place.

Gary: "You're not talking about non-BSG stuff, having realized that would be a nasty exclusionary thing."

"Aside from the exclusionary Battlestar Galactica stuff."

-- If you choose not to look at the BG thread, that's fine. But I don't think you have the right to require everyone else to chop up their discussions to suit your preferences -- not to free-associate off some comment in the BG thread to another topic without thinking: heavens, someone who doesn't want to read this thread might object to my posting a non-BG comment here, so I guess I'd better divorce it from the comment that gave rise to it, and post it somewhere else where it will make no sense whatsoever.

If you feel like asking, fine; but going on and on about how exclusionary people are being is -- well, it's beyond getting old. It's also counterproductive: I'm sympathetic to your lack of cable, replacement underwear, etc., as I hope you know, but after reading this I had to stop myself from going over and posting some random thing on the BG thread out of sheer annoyance.

"It's also counterproductive"

Okay, consider my ears pinned back. Humbled, too.

I was just kinda missing the chat.

Gary: sorry my last comment was overly harsh. I had just come back to say so (having mopped the bathroom floor in the interim.)

I had this insane idea that today might be a good day to clean stuff; thus my lack of chattiness. Wordless, taciturn, silent and still, yet possessed of floors that are entirely clean: that's me.

An open thread on cleaning, which would give me further reason to postpone cleaning my office. That would definitely be the ticket.

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