by hilzoy
Glenn Greenwald reports, and dKos' McJoan confirms, that Harry Reid says that Democrats will not allow the Specter bill (which would give the President the authority to conduct his warrantless surveillance program, subject only to a review of the entire program by the FISA courts) to pass:
"Sen. Reid stated flatly and unequivocally -- and I'm paraphrasing -- that the Specter bill was not going anywhere, that it would not be enacted. I then asked him how he could be so certain about that -- specifically, I asked where the 51 votes against the Specter bill would come from in light of the support it enjoys from both the White House and at least some of the ostensibly "independent" Republicans, exacerbated by the fact that all 10 Republicans on the Judiciary Committee voted in favor of it yesterday (at least they voted in favor of sending it to the Senate floor).
In response, Sen. Reid explained that our system does not allow every bill to be enacted simply because a majority supports it, that Senate rules allow minority rights to be protected, clearly alluding to a filibuster. Indeed, as part of that vow, Sen. Reid specifically referenced the fact that in the Senate, one does not need 50%, but only 40%, to block the enactment of a bill. He explained that rule existed to protect minority rights. When I asked him expressly whether the Democrats are committed to filibustering the Specter bill if doing so is necessary to defeat it, he said he thought that would not be necessary, but repeated that they would make sure the Specter bill did not become law. He was unequivocal about that a second time."
This is wonderful news. Especially given the Democrats' silence about the administration's torture bill, I'm glad to see that they are willing to stick up for something, and that that something includes our constitutional freedoms. Moreover, if the Republicans can't get a bill through in the three-ish weeks before they go on recess, they are unlikely to get this program authorized later -- whether or not the Democrats regain control of either chamber, they seem certain to pick up seats, and that can only harm the chances that any such bill will ever become law. Which is great.
And then there's the torture bill. On one side, we have the awful Warner/Graham/McCain bill (pdf), which strips habeas rights from anyone we detain outside the US, provides immunity for various war crimes committed since 9/11, and does other bad things. On the other, we have the vastly worse administration bill (also pdf). Marty Lederman identifies the basic issue:
"Should the CIA be legally authorized to breach the Geneva Conventions by engaging in the following forms of "cruel treatment" prohibited by "common" Article 3(1)(a) of those Conventions?:
-- "Cold Cell," or hypothermia, where a prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees, during which he is doused with cold water.
-- "Long Time Standing," in which a prisoner is forced to stand, handcuffed and with his feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours.
-- Other forms of "stress positions" and prolonged sleep deprivation, perhaps akin to "Long Time Standing."
-- Threats of violence and death of a detainee and/or his family."
(One source for these descriptions of the techniques in question is here. I can't wait to see apologists for the administration describe being kept in a cell at 50 degrees while being doused with cold water as 'having the air conditioning turned down', or being forced to stand for more than 40 hours as 'a little discomfort'.)
This raises several questions. The first is whether or not we should authorize the CIA to use these techniques. Personally, I can't believe we're even having this debate. We ought to stand for something: for fairness and decency and opposition to the kinds of things that, normally, only dictators do. And it ought to be easy to stand up for our values in this case: after all, experts on interrogation regularly inform us that the kinds of measures under discussion don't even work. Instead, though, we get the likes of Paul from Powerline informing us that the Warner/Graham/McCain bill is really just an attempt "to provide gold-plated process to terrorists who are hell-bent on killing as many Americans and other Westerners as humanly possible."
Indeed.
The second is whether we should be allowed to do this in violation of the Geneva Conventions. However often the President might describe the provisions of his bill that deal with the Geneva Conventions as simply "clarifying" their requirements, his bill actually abrogates them. It does so in a somewhat sneaky way, by declaring (pp. 78-9) that "Satisfaction of the prohibitions against cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment set forth in Section 1003 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (title X of Public Law 109-148; 119 Stat. 2739; 42 U.S.C. 2000dd) shall fully satisfy United States obligations with respect to the standards for detention and treatment established by section 1 of common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, with the exception of the obligations imposed by subsections 1(b) and 1(d) of such Article." Most scholars seem to agree that Common Article 3 requires more than the DTA, (for a good explanation of why, see here.)
The crucial point is that we do not have the right to decide, unilaterally, what the Geneva Conventions require. For this reason, passing a law that says "henceforth, satisfying the requirements of the DTA will also satisfy the requirements of the Geneva Convention" is more or less on a par with one of my students telling me that henceforth, if she submits any paper whatsoever, she will have fully satisfied my requirements for getting an A. She can say it, but that doesn't make it so, since, whatever PowerLine might think, we are not living in Wonderland, (zip file), and George W. Bush is not Humpty Dumpty:
"'I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"'
'But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you CAN make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master -- that's all.'"
In thinking about this, it's important to recognize that the Geneva Conventions, like any other treaty to which we are a party, did not just descend on us from the blue. We voluntarily signed them, and in so doing we promised to abide by them. Presumably, we did so because we thought that the protections they afford us would be worth the restrictions they entail. If President Bush thinks that this is not true -- if he concludes that being a party to the Geneva Conventions, and accepting their requirements, costs us more than it gains, he could do the honest thing and announce his intention to withdraw from them. Instead, his bill simply states that something satisfies them, when that is plainly not true. What he is basically doing is announcing his willingness to have our nation break its word, and to do so simply to avoid the embarrassment of having to propose withdrawing from Geneva. And this is just plain wrong.
Moreover, as a lot of military leaders have pointed out, this puts our troops in jeopardy. To quote the letter signed by 32 former military and intelligence leaders:
"We have abided by this standard in our own conduct for a simple reason: the same standard serves to protect American servicemen and women when they engage in conflicts covered by Common Article 3. Preserving the integrity of this standard has become increasingly important in recent years when our adversaries often are not nation-states. Congress acted in 1997 to further this goal by criminalizing violations of Common Article 3 in the War Crimes Act, enabling us to hold accountable those who abuse our captured personnel, no matter the nature of the armed conflict.
If any agency of the U.S. government is excused from compliance with these standards, or if we seek to redefine what Common Article 3 requires, we should not imagine that our enemies will take notice of the technical distinctions when they hold U.S. prisoners captive. If degradation, humiliation, physical and mental brutalization of prisoners is decriminalized or considered permissible under a restrictive interpretation of Common Article 3, we will forfeit all credible objections should such barbaric practices be inflicted upon American prisoners."
Such military experts as NRO's Andrew McCarthy disagree, on the grounds that "Our enemies don’t give a damn about the Geneva Conventions". Similarly, the eminent strategic thinker Paul at PowerLine mocks "the absurdly naive claim that our treatment of detainees will affect how our bloodthirsty enemies treat our soldiers." Unlikely as it might seem, these experts on force protection miss the point, as, more importantly, our military's Commander in Chief did in his press conference:
"Q Sir, with respect, if other countries interpret the Geneva Conventions as they see fit -- as they see fit -- you're saying that you'd be okay with that?
THE PRESIDENT: I am saying that I would hope that they would adopt the same standards we adopt; and that by clarifying Article III, we make it stronger, we make it clearer, we make it definite."
This is not about what we can expect that al Qaeda will do to captive Americans; surely no one expects them to pay attention to the Geneva Conventions in any case. Nor is it (entirely) about the specific standards for interrogations contained in the administration's bill. It's about the question whether countries who have signed a legally binding agreement have the obligation to either adhere to that agreement or withdraw from it; or can they instead take the Humpty Dumpty approach?
If we adopt the Humpty Dumpty approach to treaty interpretation, we don't just lose our right to protest when "our bloodthirsty enemies" follow our lead. We lose the right to protest when anyone at all decides to reinterpret the Geneva Conventions as they see fit, even if the proposed reinterpretation is as bizarre as ours is. Nor do we lose the right to protest only if they adopt the very same interpretation we adopt; we lose the right to protest when they adopt whatever strained and unconvincing interpretation they choose. That, after all, is what we are doing.
If there were some way of constraining the possible future effects of passing the administration bill to future wars against al Qaeda, and of limiting the interpretations we have no grounds to protest to the very interpretation we have adopted, this part of the administration's bill would still be objectionable. The forms of interrogation it allows the CIA to engage in are morally wrong, and it is also wrong to break our word by violating a treaty we have sworn to uphold. As it is, however, we have another objection: that it will leaved us with no way to plausibly protest if, in some unforeseen future conflict, our adversaries choose to play their own game of Humpty Dumpty with the Geneva Conventions. And, as the former military and intelligence leaders wrote in the letter I cited above:
"This is not just a theoretical concern. We have people deployed right now in theaters where Common Article 3 is the only source of legal protection should they be captured. If we allow that standard to be eroded, we put their safety at greater risk."
When it comes to the safety of our troops, we need to decide whether to trust Gens. Powell, Shalikashvili, Vessey, Hoar, Turner, et al on the one hand, or PowerLine and NRO on the other. After wrenching deliberations a great deal of soul-searching much thought some thought thought, I trust the retired generals.
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There is, however, one small glimmer of hope. Lots of people seem to think that the administration will manage to come to some sort of compromise with Senators Warner, Graham, and McCain. They're probably right, but I think there is a real chance that the two sides will not be able to agree. On the one hand, the three Senators seem to be pretty clearly committed to their position, and if one assumes (as I do) that all three genuinely care about the safety of people in the military, the statements by the various retired military leaders will probably strengthen their resolve.
On the other hand, George W. Bush seems to be constitutionally incapable of any sort of compromise. He does change positions when he isn't really wedded to any of them, but the idea of genuinely giving ground when he's really staked himself on some position doesn't seem to be part of his conceptual universe. And he certainly seemed to be wedded to this position in his press conference Friday: he was, to my eye, visibly angry at the very idea that people were defying him, to the point where he threatened not to continue interrogating people unless his bill passed. I don't really see him giving ground either, nor does it seem as though the House leadership wants to.
And remember: Congress is supposed to adjourn on Oct. 6, three weeks from now. That's not a lot of time to get bills passed in the House and Senate, go through a compromise committee, and have the conference bill pass both houses. If they haven't agreed on a bill by Oct. 6, they have two three choices. [UPDATE: They could also call a lame duck session, as baltar notes in comments. End update.] First, they could not pass a bill, in which case they might well have to start from scratch after the elections. In this case, the chances that Bush would get the bill he wants would go down dramatically, even if the Republicans maintain control of both houses.
Second, they could stay in session until they work it out. This would be a problem for them: the elections are coming up, and everyone in the House, and one third of the Senators, are up for reelection. Staying in session when they could be out campaigning would not be a good thing for them, and it would help the Democrats, who have fewer incumbent seats to lose.
The administration and the Republicans in Congress can read a calendar as well as I can, of course, and none of this will be lost on them. So they will probably do whatever they can to reach a compromise, and, as I said, most of the political analysts I've read think they'll probably succeed. But there is room for a tiny bit of hope, I think. And since it's the first I've had for a while, I didn't want to let it pass unnoticed.
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