by Andrew
I find it at once sad and ironic that Tuesday, as the House prepared to pass HR 6166, Iva Toguri breathed her last. Ms. Toguri is better known as 'Tokyo Rose,' the sobriquet given to various English-speaking Japanese women who broadcast popular music laced with appeals for Allied personnel to surrender to the might of the Japanese Empire. Yet Ms. Toguri never actually made any of those broadcasts, was not Japanese (except by ancestry), and was in fact a loyal U.S. citizen who found herself trapped in an enemy nation on December 7, 1941.
I'll admit that I'm not yet as depressed as Jim Henley, whose post about HR 6166 is enough to give me nightmares, but it is rather difficult to really accept just where we've come over the past six years. As Ms. Toguri's ordeal illustrates (and if you didn't read the link, you should), the U.S. has made plenty of mistakes in the past, and I don't think we should give up all hope that we can fix this too. But it's hard not to be discouraged by the complete failure of our elected representatives and our polity to deal with this problem more effectively. Reasoned political discourse has been replaced by demagoguery and parliamentary legerdemain, and it's unlikely to get any better in the near future.
For me personally this is an unfortunate confluence of events as well. Eighteen years ago I joined the United States military because I believed that I owed some small debt to the country that bore me; while I have been aware of my country's flaws for many years, I always believed that we could overcome those flaws. Yesterday I completed my packet to request my reinstatement on active duty, because I am painfully aware of the Army's need for good officers (and even mediocre ones). It's hard not to wonder if the country I want to defend is the one I may actually defend. It's hard not to wonder if I'm doing the right thing at times.
I heard about about her and her "trial" last night on NPR-- prior to that, I'd heard the name but nothing more.
I'm off to read Jim Henley... thanks for mentioning Iva Toguri. Our imprisoning her (because we needed to imprison someone, and because Truman caved to the gold-star mothers) was a black chapter-- I'm glad Ike was brave enough to free her despite politics.
Thank you for your sacrifice in returning to active duty.
Posted by: ScottM | September 28, 2006 at 01:58 PM
Andrew, for what it's worth I have a great deal of respect for you, mostly because of the intellectual honesty and (good manners in the face or adversity!) that you consistantly display. I think that patriotism means defending ot what the country is but what it should be. When I compare your values and your decisions to the so-called patriotism of people like Allen and Bush my head nearly explodes with rage. I have a student who just enlisted. I ope he ends up in the company of officers like you.
Posted by: lily | September 28, 2006 at 02:08 PM
Not, not ot. Hope, not ope.
Posted by: lily | September 28, 2006 at 02:09 PM
It's hard not to wonder if the country I want to defend is the one I may actually defend. It's hard not to wonder if I'm doing the right thing at times.
That must have been extremely difficult to write. FWIW I think you are in fact doing the right thing. Good luck.
Posted by: spartikus | September 28, 2006 at 02:15 PM
Andrew--
Personally, I think it's sort of like the folk psychology test for insanity--if you wonder whether you're crazy, you're probably not. That is, as long as you keep wondering and worrying about whether you're doing the right thing, you have a good chance of coming close enough to it that you don't have to worry about cutting yourself shaving.
Posted by: JakeB | September 28, 2006 at 02:21 PM
Thanks for your service and best of luck.
Posted by: CharleyCarp | September 28, 2006 at 02:21 PM
Thank you Andrew and God speed.
Posted by: Ozymandias | September 28, 2006 at 02:26 PM
Yesterday I completed my packet to request my reinstatement on active duty, because I am painfully aware of the Army's need for good officers (and even mediocre ones). It's hard not to wonder if the country I want to defend is the one I may actually defend. It's hard not to wonder if I'm doing the right thing at times.
As a pacifist, of course I believe no one should join the army in the first place.
But, stipulated that there is an army, I would want everyone in it to be thoughtful, intelligent, and - at least sometimes - questioning whether they're doing the right thing.
Anyway, any country is more than it's government. You are defending your country, not the steaming pile of fetid muck that is the current administration.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | September 28, 2006 at 02:36 PM
And the post reminded me of a smidge of Specter's http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=s10265&dbname=2006_record>remarks yesterday:
Posted by: CharleyCarp | September 28, 2006 at 02:59 PM
It's not for me to say whether it is right or wrong for you to do this, but I do thank you for it.
What would make me more thankful, though, would be for the fetid tu*ds who cheered us into this mess to go in your place.
Given that the problem is a lack of good officers, though, I'm not sure what that would solve.
Posted by: Phillip J. Birmingham | September 28, 2006 at 03:06 PM
PS It occurs to me that what I really want to say is "Yes, Andrew, you're doing the right thing": except that I don't want to say it, because part of what makes me feel Andrew is doing the right thing is his doubt that he is.
And then it occurs to me that I can go ahead and say it anyway because Andrew most likely won't believe anything I say. Especially if I begin the comment "PS".
Posted by: Jesurgislac | September 28, 2006 at 03:08 PM
I'm just about out of words so: best of luck.
Posted by: Anarch | September 28, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Thank you for your service. We need people like you in the military all the more, at a time when the civilian leaders are so uniformly horrible.
Posted by: Donald Johnson | September 28, 2006 at 03:30 PM
Andrew,
I appreciate your commitment and professionalism and wish you well. I admire your convictions.
I also happen to wonder something. Clearly, history ahs taught us that there is some point at which one is fighting for the evil of a country's current circumstance instead of the good thing that the country has been or might in the future become. I don't know that we have reached that point yet here, but it does make me wonder. What would it take to convince you that America had crossed that line and you could no longer serve? I completely understand if you can not or will not answer that question.
Posted by: socratic_me | September 28, 2006 at 03:46 PM
Since we don't have an open thread, I'm dropping this here:
Sweeeet.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | September 28, 2006 at 03:56 PM
Andrew: one of the things that really, really gets me about what's happening now is that I think that all of us should be able to have no doubts at all about defending our country, or about the thought that the difference between the ideal and the actual country is the size one would expect given normal human fallibility, not some sort of horrible chasm. We should all be able to be proud without having to give the matter much thought. It should be obvious.
This probably isn't as important as the awfulness of imprisoning as a traitor someone who, to quote the article you linked to, "used the money she earned to help to feed and clothe Allied prisoners" (for some reason, the juxtaposition of official cynical amorality and ordinary decency really gets to me here), or keeping a good number of perfectly ordinary non-terrorists who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time incommunicado, with no hope of appeal.
But, damn it, it's still horrible.
Thank you for your service. At least one person who's never met you appreciates it deeply, along with the service of those like you who are quite unknown to me. If you meet any of them, give them my gratitude.
Posted by: hilzoy | September 28, 2006 at 04:01 PM
And, now having read to the end of the thread: I'm grateful that we have men like you in the armed services, Andrew. Thank you.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | September 28, 2006 at 04:03 PM
Agreed, Slartibartfast. Andrew is one of those people that I'm proud and honored to have as a part of our nation's armed forces. Thank you, Andrew.
Posted by: Jeff Eaton | September 28, 2006 at 04:20 PM
Most everything has been said. Thank you for your service. There are many things worth fighting for before you have to reach that nebulosity "country". The whole may be greater than the sum of the parts, but the parts are pretty damn valuable.
Good luck.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | September 28, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Best of luck and a safe return home.
You honor this country and all of us with your service. Thank you.
Posted by: Francis | September 28, 2006 at 05:01 PM
Andrew, all of our thoughts will be with you as you serve. Thank you.
Posted by: Dantheman | September 28, 2006 at 05:04 PM
Best of wishes.
As a father of one of the, IMHO, better officers, I support you and others making this kind of decision.
In two years my son will be at the point, (8 years of active duty) where he can walk away and not worry about being called up again. That was not his original intent 6 years ago, but he is leaning in that direction.
Perhaps if there is a change in the direction this country is heading he will continue to do something he really wants to love doing, instead of dreading it.
Posted by: john miller | September 28, 2006 at 05:56 PM
Thank you for putting this on the front page, Andrew. Please forgive me for getting up on a soapbox here, but there are a few points I think should be added. One should note that even though it was the media that led the fight to have her pardoned, it was our hard hitting media, led by Walter Winchell, who originally tracked down Ms Toguri and demanded their pound of flesh. Furthermore, the government suborned perjury to get the conviction. From the above link
Neither Brundidge nor the witness testified at trial because of the taint of perjury. Nor was Brundidge prosecuted for subornation of perjury. According to FBI records available at the National Archives, the Department of Justice thought that the evidence came down to the witness’s word against that of Brundidge.
As a third generation Japanese American, this, along with the internment of Japanese Americans, underlies a lot of my views, so if I have been overly dismissive of your points in particular or conservative arguments in general, I hope you can see where I am coming from.
I also think that two people can do do separate acts that are totally opposite and still have them be morally correct, and praiseworthy. So even as I honor your commitment and sacrifice, I also believe that this act should be honored. Stay safe and godspeed.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 28, 2006 at 06:20 PM
I should probably point out that I'm just applying for active duty. That doesn't necessarily mean that I'll end up overseas, although I hope that will be the case, but until I've actually been picked up for active duty, I won't even have any idea what I may be doing next year. Thanks to all for the kind sentiments, however.
lj,
I respect LT Watada's decision to face prosecution for his beliefs. I even wrote about it when it first came to light, but I'm too lazy for find the link right now. However, I think that the military is correct to court-martial him as well. It's honorable to stand up for your beliefs, but LT Watada took an oath and while I realize that he doesn't think he's violating it, the courts clearly disagree.
Posted by: Andrew | September 28, 2006 at 07:31 PM
I do believe that the US army will improve with men like you Andrew, and I have the utmost respect for people like you and Phillip Carter, who want to do the right thing - not the easy one.
Posted by: dutchmarbel | September 28, 2006 at 07:38 PM
And the band played on...
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate on Thursday passed a bill setting rules for interrogations and prosecutions of foreign terrorism suspects, sending it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.
Posted by: Ugh | September 28, 2006 at 07:41 PM
De-lurking to wish you godspeed in your choice, Andrew.
"In the end, their battle was the same. To protect and preserve an (America) they could proudly call home."
vjs
Posted by: vjs | September 28, 2006 at 07:53 PM
Every time I read about Iva Toguri's life I'm astonished 1. that she never had a cross word for the government of the United States (though apparently she didn't give many interviews) and 2. that nobody's made a movie about her. I mean--born on the 4th of July. Stuck in Japan during the war, where she never renounces her American citizenship despite what I'm sure was intense pressure to do so. Finally comes home but is convicted of treason because Walter Winchell thought it was a good idea. It's an amazingly American tragedy.
Posted by: Justin Slotman | September 28, 2006 at 08:02 PM
Andrew, I'm not asking for you to agree with Lt. Watada's actions, just pointing out that some of us can honor your committment and honor Lt. Watada's belief that there are higher commitments.
nobody's made a movie about her
there has been a project floating around, which George Takei (Lt. Sulu) mentioned he was developing about her life.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 28, 2006 at 08:13 PM
lj,
My apologies, I didn't mean to imply differently. I guess I just felt I should throw in my own opinion of the situation to be clear. I probably overthought it. ;)
Justin,
She was a fascinating woman. Her actions in Japan were worthy of great praise, instead of a kangaroo court, years in prison, and never being permitted to be reunited with her husband. How she was treated is nothing less than shameful.
Posted by: Andrew | September 28, 2006 at 08:17 PM
lj--Yeah, I read the same thing off a link from her Wiki page. I just wish somebody with a little more clout was attached to the project (not that Mr Sulu doesn't have clout, you understand.)
Andrew--And I don't know if this speaks to anything more than my own ignorance, but until I started reading her obituaries I had no idea what her story was, or that she wasn't Tokyo Rose, or that there wasn't even an actual Tokyo Rose. (All her obits are titled with variations of "Iva Toguri, Age 90, was not Tokyo Rose.") What a life she had.
Posted by: Justin Slotman | September 28, 2006 at 09:09 PM
Andrew -
We will overcome our flaws. People like you are the reason why.
Best -
Posted by: russell | September 28, 2006 at 09:14 PM
I have a suspicion that the project didn't go forward because she probably didn't agree to participate. That's just an impression, though.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | September 28, 2006 at 09:34 PM
Yes, but I'm not talking about taking stupid risks with other people's lives--I'm talking about risking their political power.
Posted by: Katherine | September 28, 2006 at 11:33 PM
whoops, wrong thread.
Andrew, I can't tell you whether it's the right thing for you--it's not a choice I would make, so how could I tell you to make it?--but it's a brave and noble thing, and I am really grateful.
Posted by: Katherine | September 28, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Andrew, if you do get sent into active duty, may God watch over you and bring you (and as many of your fellow soldiers as is possible) home safely.
As for Tokyo Rose, I am reminded of the Vonnegut classic Mother Night, about an American who broadcast German propaganda during WW2, as written in his cell in Israel while awaiting trial for war crimes. The movie was very well done, also.
Posted by: Prodigal | September 29, 2006 at 12:14 AM
Don't forget to duck.
[Deletes some overly sentimental melodramatic stuff]
Just don't forget to duck.
Posted by: Decided FenceSitter | September 29, 2006 at 07:08 AM
Andrew,
One of the most wise, kind, tough, and thoughtful people I have ever met is an uncle of mine who was a career Army officer. I remember a lieutenant a ways back who stood up for something, and I've met a couple of great folks over at CGSC in the last few years. I have nothing but respect for these people and your last paragraph reminded me of them. Best of luck!
Posted by: otto | September 29, 2006 at 07:53 AM
To add to my comment above, an excerpt from Sen. Dorgan's floor speech yesterday:
Posted by: CharleyCarp | September 29, 2006 at 09:13 AM
Oh, and Andrew: don't be overly modest. Reenlisting with the knowledge that you could be sent overseas to see combat is, I think, just about the most one could ask for, if one dared ask. Any other suggestions I might offer are probably things that you learned in your first couple of months of training. May God be with you, but still remember to check six just in case.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | September 29, 2006 at 09:18 AM
Best wishes, Andrew
You're a good guy and good blogger. I'm grateful to you for serving and representing our country.
Posted by: DaveC | September 29, 2006 at 11:17 AM
Tokyo Rose has lots of imatators espcialy in National Public Radio and in hollywood
Posted by: spurwing plover | October 04, 2006 at 10:18 PM
There is a movie being made of the life of Iva Toguri - to be produced and directed by Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption & The Green Mile) currently being written by Christopher Hampton (Dangerous Liasions & The Quiet American) - based 'in part' on the book by Masayo Duus - "Tokyo Rose: Orphan of the Pacific" -- Ms. Toguri gave her life story rights to Darabont's Darkwoods Productions. Here is a quote from Frank Darabont - released on her passing" "Iva Toguri was an extradionary woman with enormous personal courage and integrity. In the face of rabid public sentiment, media villany, cultural and racial injustice, she fought long and hard to preserve and celebrate her American Citizenship. She was a true inspiration and I am deeply honored to be entrusted with the honor of telling her story, and proud to be counted as one of her many friends and admirers. My thoughts and prayers are with her family."
Posted by: Barbara Trembley | October 05, 2006 at 11:30 AM