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March 23, 2006

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DNFTT [and a threadjack]:

that said, i strongly recommend that those who wish to stay out of prison NOT get their target of affection so intoxicated as to allow that person to raise a claim that the sex was not consensual.

one Mr. Haidl is the most recent poster boy for the problems which can arise from using voluntary intoxication as a defense to rape charges.

[this is not legal advice. go consult the Penal Code of your own state to determine the scope and nature of intoxication defenses.]

[back on thread, i utterly condemn anyone who wishes physical violence on a political opponent and/or his family.]

Who was the first to bring up Ben's sister?

The answer: Ben.

Ben Domenech let everyone know about the imaginary raping of his sister.

Ben did this while explaining to the world why he was "resigning" from his cushy job, in spite of the allegedly convincing nature of "some" of the "arguments" he presented to his bosses.

My comment here was a response to Ben's provocation and, in my opinion, a reasonable one.

You see, Ben likes to pretend that the world is divided between Jesus lovin' "conservatives" like himself and amoral "leftists" who want to see his sister raped. When someone tells Ben they want to take a poop into Ben's mouth, Ben apparently thinks they really want to do that.

And Ben isn't the only one who likes to pretend that people who express themselves in colorful creative ways are speaking literally when they do so. There are some people lurking here as well.

Please: get over yourselves. Ben Domenech is a low-life plagiarist. Now he wants you to feel bad for him because someone allegedly said something nasty about Ben's sister.

Probably Ben was asked by many readers of his blog to fornicate with himself. Did you notice that Ben did not mock those people for daring him to do the impossible? Nope -- Ben chose to go with the comment about his sister. So shocking!! So reprehensible!!

Please spare me.

Read Ben's final RedState post again and try to imagine how ill someone must be to write something like that. He has a long road ahead of himself if he wants to be rehabilitated.

Can I make a prediction? Ben Domenech isn't going to change. He may not plagiarize, but he'll continue to lie. And when he's caught, he'll try to make YOU feel sorry that he got caught by mentioning that "someone" wanted to put a broom handle in his mommy's wee-wee or some such nonsense.

Please: do not fall for this crap.

Playtime is over folks. It's really time to wake up. Time to clean house. Time to keep your eye on the ball.

If Ben's sister was worth defending, she'd be out there denouncing Ben and his worthless fundie parents.

Think that's going to happen?

i strongly recommend that those who wish to stay out of prison NOT get their target of affection so intoxicated as to allow that person to raise a claim that the sex was not consensual.

You don't need to be intoxicated to be allowed to raise such a claim, Francis.

Also, you can't be put in prison for making obviously sarcastic remarks about public figures -- or their sisters -- on Internet blogs.

i utterly condemn anyone who wishes physical violence on a political opponent and/or his family.]

I condemn pineapples on pizza.

Now he wants you to feel bad for him because someone allegedly said something nasty about Ben's sister.

Well, no, now an alleged lefty HAS said something nasty about Ben's sister. Congratulations.

My comment here was a response to Ben's provocation and, in my opinion, a reasonable one.

Unpleasant people always think that unpleasant things they think or say are either reasonable, or someone else's fault. You've managed to cram both into a single statement.

Playtime is over folks. It's really time to wake up...

Oh please go away. I can feel myself turning conservative just to stop being in the same political ideology. Or to avoid the arrogance. Or the cliches.

who is this unpleasant person, and why is he still here?

I find the second question much more compelling than the first.

March 24, 2006 at 07:24 PM, Walter: "It's time to wake up, folks. Playtime is over."

March 24, 2006 at 07:51 PM, Walter: "Playtime is over folks. It's really time to wake up."

I think it's been at least two weeks since I've last noted on this blog how much more persuasive a point is if we just repeat the same words.

Typically people just didn't understand the first time. The second time, though, all becomes clear.

It's even more impressive the third time round. And the fourth, and so on.

"Please: get over yourselves."

This also tends to be highly persuasive to people. The usual response is to slap one's self upside the head and declare "why didn't I think of that before I heard the instruction!?!"

And then they reconsider everything.

These are just life-changing rhetorical techniques. They persuade people every time. Guaranteed not to go wrong.

I think Dale Carnegie advised using them in How To Win Friends And Influence People, but it's been a long while since I read it.

Slart added words and removed words on someone's blog with no attribution whatever that an editor had done so.

I guess my comment to that effect wasn't sufficient clue.

Very well: I, Slartibartfast, do solemnly swear that I edited this comment in the following manner: replaced an occurrence of f*** with[deleted] and one occurrence of a****** with [deleted]. Which deleted replaced which word will be left as an exercise for the reader.

Probably bringing up that I have, for various reasons, deleted posts, would be a bad move at this time. Well, I'm all about bad moves.

And no, Gary, I didn't do any surgery at all to any post that no longer is recognizable in anywhere near its original form.

Oh please go away. I can feel myself turning conservative just to stop being in the same political ideology.

That's pathetic.

Well, no, now an alleged lefty HAS said something nasty about Ben's sister.

Which proves what, Sky Commander? That "Ben was right" when he implied that "leftists" are amoral rapists and murderers?

Please spare me.

Have you drafted an email to Ben yet apologizing to Ben on behalf of all of us?

I heard a rumor that his sister wept when she read those emails.

Boo hoo hoo, she wept and wept and wept.

Let's see how many people get prosecuting for those threats that Ben alleged.

Or could it be -- OH MY GOD -- that Ben was simply making crap up so his story would play better to the Little Green Football crowd. And to the folks around here, of course.

Gary Farber

I think it's been at least two weeks since blah blah blah blah .....

Shorter Gary Farber: I don't agree with Walter.

Message to Gary Farber: That's nice.

Could the comment editor please replace the term "prosecuting" with the term "prosecuted" in my 8:14 post?

Thanks.

Walter,
Rather than get all self righteous, I suggest that a better way of putting it would have been this

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But in the course of accusing me of racism, homophobia, bigotry, and even (on one extensive Atrios thread) of having a sexual relationship with my mother, the leftists shifted their accusations to ones of plagiarism. You can find the major examples here: I link to this source only because I believe it's the only place that hasn't yet written about how they'd like to rape my sister.

What surprised me was Domenach's claim that every other liberal blog with the exception of ObWi stated (or implied) that they'd like to rape her sister. While this might simply say something about Domenach's state of mind, it seems to me to reveal a mighty inclination for guilt by association and I wonder how this squares with the multiple assertions at Redstate that Ben is a 'gentleman' or with the people who seek to suggest that the problem is not Domenach, but with those who called him out.
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Unfortunately, by claiming that 'the folks around here' are fooled by this, you simply set yourself out as the only person with any insight, which tends to get people in trouble in my experience. Good luck on finding your voice, though.

Yo lj

Unfortunately, by claiming that 'the folks around here' are fooled by this, you simply set yourself out as the only person with any insight, which tends to get people in trouble in my experience. Good luck on finding your voice, though.

Thanks for the kind thoughts.

In my opinion, you write like a slf-bsrbd prss pnts who wants to impress everyone with your oh-so-subtle barbs.

But that's just me.

[Mildly disemvowelled by the Management. hlzy.]

Uhmmmm can I be the first to officially suggest that the posting rules be vigorously applied?

OK, how many times does WC have to deliberately violate the posting rules before he gets banned?

This became tedious several insults ago.

Walter Concrete: you're outta here.

Done. I was tempted, but I hate to be too quick on the trigger.

or not fast enough, i guess

Phew. Thanks guys. That was icky.

The amazing thing is to me is that even though we have basically the same opinion, WC chooses to vent his ire on those who probably agree on the substance. The fact is that at some time, the war has to end and you've got to live with the people you disagree with. I really wonder why this often is a feature of discourse on the left.

Slart, you needn't have been so hesitant. As it was, I thought maybe you were taking dpu's 8:04 PM feelings seriously and were purposely letting WC rant so that we'd all be converted by the end of the evening.

As it was, I thought maybe you were taking dpu's 8:04 PM feelings seriously...

S'okay, I was exaggerating. I'm back to socialist now.

If I were running a liberal newspaper and wanted to appear balanced, I'd hire someone exactly like Ben Domenech. Just to let him crash and burn.

And I'm NOT saying that's what the WaPo did. I think they're just sloppy. But oh, what a perfect dupe Ben Domenech is.


You guys crack me up.

Walter Concrete took you for a hilarious ride.

I understand why you want to hide the evidence but disemvowelling "prissy pants"?

Hahaha. My, aren't we sensitive?

You got the links right, but you got the quoted text swapped around for the NRO/Steve Murray case....that is, you've got Murray's 'Final Fantasy' review text credited to Domenech and vice versa.

I did a little more research, and finally came up with DATES for this particular case. (Public charges are plagiarism are serious and therefore ought to be backed by as much evidence as possible.) The NRO movie review you link to is dated July 14-15, 2001. The Murray review distributed widely to several online newspapers (probably all affiliated with Cox) is usually undated in Google hits, but here is one archived news page containing the review that is dated July 11, 2001:

http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1P1:45768181&refid=holomed_1

Thus if one party plagiarized the other, it probably couldn't have been Murray copying from Domenech. That's very important to take note of. Also, those dates present enough time to make it plausible that Domenech consulted Murray's review while writing his own. Specifically, Murray's review was apparently up on the web at least three days before the NRO review is dated.
If you feel like bolstering your blog charges, you might want to link to the page noted above that gives the July 11 date.

Also, am I the only one who finds Domenech's quote to have an apparent grammatical "typo" in it, of the sort that one might produce very easily (have done it myself many times when editing my own work in a word processor) after pasting a sentence in, then making edits to it? Domenech's "sucking the life out of the earthlings of the human" just doesn't make sense to me. But the similar line in Murray's review does make sense: "sucking the life out of the earthlings of 'Final Fantasy'". It's as if Domenech accidentally edited a copied "life out of the earthings" and his own thought "life out of the humans" to get the resulting phrase that contains the redundant-sounding wording.

By the way, I'm a cultural/political conservative. But you and a few other bloggers have convinced me that someone, probably Domenech, appears to have plagiarized here. Good job. I'm into truth, and seek to make that the basis of my own politics.

"I did a little more research, and finally came up with DATES for this particular case."

This was all superceded by the NRO investigation a couple of days ago, and Domenech already pled guilty in general yesterday; old history by now in internet terms.

M. Bearden: thanks, and sorry about swapping the links. I wrote to the guy at Cox asking for the dates, but have not heard back, so I'm glad you could clear it up.

Hey, you got linked by Malkin. You've hit the big time, kiddo!

I weighed in on this Domenech/Gannon thing in my latest Assclowns of the Week, which is being hosted this time around by http://falafelsex.blogspot.com/2006/03/welcome-to-our-falafel-hut.html>Falafel Sex and it's the longest of the 10 entries by far. I'd like to think that I made observations that noi one else has.

http://www.redstate.com/story/2006/3/24/231559/931

I have to confess I've done the same thing, myself, but I thought that DKG bit was out of line

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