by hilzoy
It's late, and for some reason I can't sleep, so I was surfing around and found this wonderful news:
"A dozen miners trapped 12,000 feet into a mountainside since early Monday were found alive Tuesday night just hours after rescuers found the body of a 13th man, who died in an explosion in an adjacent coal mine that was sealed off in early December.
The bells at the Sago Baptist Church pealed and joyous relatives rushed outside to celebrate their miracle: Miners coming to the church, apparently unhurt, after being underground in the cold, damp chamber for 41 hours.
"Everybody ran from the church screaming, 'They're alive! They're coming!' " said Loretta Ables, whose fianc, Fred Ware, was among the missing miners. She had lost hope when she learned about the dangerously high levels of carbon monoxide in the mine, but she was elated as she waited outside the church. "I feel great, very great."
The miners had apparently done what they had been taught to do: barricaded themselves in a pocket with breathable air and awaited rescue."
If I still believed in God, I'd be thanking Him now. (Anyone have a good substitute, for use by atheists?) This is just wonderful.
UPDATE: Von here; Hilzoy's currently under the knife. As most readers probably know, the early reports turned out to be false. Only one miner survived. I'll leave the resulting arguments for and against the existence of God for wiser heads to debate in the comments.
UPDATE 2: Von here again. John Cole, who blogs from West Virginia, has a pretty good take on what went wrong in the early reporting.
On the other hand, as I continue to surf insomanaically around, I discovered that an entire village has been swept away by a landslide in Java; 200 people are feared dead.
Posted by: hilzoy | January 04, 2006 at 01:35 AM
If I still believed in God, I'd be thanking Him now. (Anyone have a good substitute, for use by atheists?)
John Coltrane? But I myself would stick with an old-school God, tried and true, if a little worn, like second-best boots. An Episcopalian God, for example -- one who has the manners not to show irritation that you only believe in Him at times like these.
Posted by: Delicious Pundit | January 04, 2006 at 01:48 AM
If you're having trouble sleeping, I'm going to count to three, at the end of which you'll find your eyelids starting to get heavy... :)
All kidding aside, hilzoy, hope everything goes smoothly with the surgery. LJ may have been kidding when he hoped you get cloned while you're there, but I think we could do with as many hilzoys as we can get :)
In case you're wondering who I am, I'm a pretty regular reader, and a big fan of your writing. I post very rarely, only if I have something specific to add to the discussion that's not already been said. Anyway, I never said this then, but a heartfelt thank you to you (and Katherine) for the Graham amendment series in particular, and for being you in general :)
Posted by: rajH | January 04, 2006 at 02:11 AM
'tis indeed very good news. Not exactly sure that it's news news, if you know what I mean, but it's good to hear nonetheless.
Posted by: Anarch | January 04, 2006 at 02:14 AM
Turns out there was only one survivor, now in critical condition. :-( :-(
Posted by: Alyosha` | January 04, 2006 at 03:11 AM
Latest is that they're all dead but one. Thanks a lot, God. Nice system You've got going there, collecting praise for the good stuff and skipping out on the blame part.
Posted by: rilkefan | January 04, 2006 at 03:11 AM
Of course, taking Heine's Sophoclean "Gut ist der Schlaf, der Tod ist besser - freilich Das beste wäre, nie geboren sein" viewpoint, maybe it's all for the best.
Posted by: rilkefan | January 04, 2006 at 03:16 AM
Aw crap. Still not really news news, but now it's genuinely sucky. My condolences to their families and communities.
Posted by: Anarch | January 04, 2006 at 04:04 AM
Rilkefan (or any of you other geniuses): any chance you might translate the Heine above for the lazy, uneducated, German-deprived among us?
Thanks.
And really, really bad news about the coal miners. I was so hoping they'd make it out alive...
If there is a God, he/she doesn't seem to be paying much attention...or just doesn't give a rat's ass (Darfur?)... in which case why bother with all the awe & reverence horsepucky?
Posted by: xanax | January 04, 2006 at 06:23 AM
Damn: how awful for the people who believed the miners had survived to find they hadn't.
I am not an atheist out of logic, but out of belief: I feel certain that there is no God, and am therefore uninterested in debating the existence or nonexistence of Deity. I believe there isn't, and am content to let others believe differently.
Nevertheless, I cannot help feeling at times like these it is very comforting not to believe there is a God who takes a personal interest in human life.
(In answer to Hilzoy's query, if the miners had survived, I would have felt joy in the ability of human beings to survive, and praised that ability. Human beings are capable of terrible things: I think it always worthwhile to remember and praise the wonderful things humans are capable of, too.)
Posted by: Jesurgislac | January 04, 2006 at 06:45 AM
As others have already written, the news was, unfortunately, untrue. If it had been, I would have been inclined to give the credit not to god but to man--or at least, humanity: the people who designed the CO barriers and the miners who used them. As it is, I'm inclined to put the blame or at least the onus for doing better, with humanity too. Hopefully, the events that led up to the disaster will be analyzed and the reasons for the failure understood and the next miners trapped underground will have a better chance.
Posted by: Dianne | January 04, 2006 at 07:55 AM
Thank the rescuers, maybe?
Posted by: McDuff | January 04, 2006 at 08:12 AM
Xanax -- "Sleep is good, death is better; I reckon the best thing would be, never to be born."
Posted by: Jeremy Osner | January 04, 2006 at 09:12 AM
From Reuters:
"Since October, the U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration has issued 50 citations to Sago mine, some as recently as Dec. 21, including citations for accumulation of combustible materials such as coal dust and loose coal."
Somebody needs to pay for this.
Posted by: ThirdGorchBro | January 04, 2006 at 10:02 AM
Slacktivist has a view of the story development from inside a newspaper.
Posted by: KCinDC | January 04, 2006 at 10:06 AM
I was listening to NPR, and the fellow they were interviewing said that the reportedly >200 citations that the mine has been issues in the last year (IIRC) aren't as alarming as the dozen or so that are "major", some of which were for the accumulation of combustibles. I guess they've been shut down on more than one occasion in the last year for that sort of thing, whereas the larger number of less-significant citations were for things like not inspecting extinguishers and maintaining equipment quite on time. So for me the question would be, given that this company had been repeat offenders in the area of safety, had they somehow not reached a threshold where a long-term shutdown would be appropriate? If not, what's going to be different next time?
Posted by: Slartibartfast | January 04, 2006 at 10:18 AM
Fifteen times, make it, that they've been shut down in the last year.
Broadcast here.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | January 04, 2006 at 10:23 AM
Sago mine rang a bit of a bell, so a quick Google seems to say that the Sago mine is run by International Coal Group, which was an enterprise of Wilbur Ross, who purchased up bankrupt assets of coal companies, shed the pension obligations, and then reconsolidated. (the link describes the process, this nytimes link describes the impact to retired miners). Ross rhapsodized that "The building blocks [of ISG] are drastically reduced personnel costs, performance-based incentive plans, and innovative measures aimed at realizing great production efficiencies." (ISG is International Steel Group, and the same procedure was taken for ICG)
The coal industry has extensive links to the administration. I have this funny suspicion that those waved off safety violations might be somehow linked to this in a roundabout fashion.
Of course, some might point out that Ross' previous wife was a Democratic candidate for governor, but before that, she was Pataki's Lt. Governor, and the story gets stranger and stranger from there.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | January 04, 2006 at 11:16 AM
Coal miners calling into the local NYC political show pointed out that the Sago mine had formally been unionized. Under the new ownership, it was ununionized, meaning (according to these admittedly pro-union sources) that workers could face trouble if they reported unsafe conditions.
Just passing it along.
Posted by: Jackmormon | January 04, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Coal miners calling into the local NYC political show pointed out that the Sago mine had formally been unionized. Under the new ownership, it was ununionized, meaning (according to these admittedly pro-union sources) that workers could face trouble if they reported unsafe conditions.
Just passing it along.
Posted by: Jackmormon | January 04, 2006 at 12:10 PM
"Formerly", jackmormon? 'cause "Formally" doesn't quite make sense to me there.
Posted by: Anarch | January 04, 2006 at 12:34 PM
The anti-admin case. Warning: link made John Cole's blood boil.
Posted by: rilkefan | January 04, 2006 at 12:59 PM
"Formerly," yes. Sorry.
Posted by: Jackmormon | January 04, 2006 at 01:08 PM
"If I still believed in God, I'd be thanking Him now. (Anyone have a good substitute, for use by atheists?)"
If anyone has a good answer for that, by the way, I'd really be pleased to hear it. But I mean an answer, not a platitude or a wording.
Thanking "goodness" or "nature" or "the universe" is awfully weak tea.
Posted by: Gary Farber | January 04, 2006 at 04:42 PM
One could say, I'm glad (or I feel fortunate) I find myself in a universe where X happened instead of one where Y happened.
A poem of mine about an awful event ends with
"But though it's seldom comforting to be a nihilist,
sometimes I'm glad the world is only worthless and not worse."
If our suffering is part of a design, that makes it in some ways less tolerable. The opposite ought to be true of our joy.
Posted by: rilkefan's mouse | January 04, 2006 at 05:11 PM