by hilzoy
I have been busy for the past few days: term has started, and while I usually prepare for courses in a leisurely way, this time I've been making up for a few weeks spent on Oxycodone. (Since I'm teaching a class on, among other things, addiction, this might have come in handy, but I decided not to try to cultivate an addiction to painkillers.) This is why I've been a Bad, Bad Blogger recently. This is your new open thread, in which you can talk about whatever you want: Alito (the thought of someone with a breathtakingly expansive view of executive power on the Supreme Court just now horrifies me); the State of the Union address; whatever.
I didn't watch the speech myself, since I decided reading it would be quicker, and in any case these speeches bore me even when they are not made by someone whose words mean nothing. I just finished reading it, and I was struck by this:
"Tonight I ask you to pass legislation to prohibit the most egregious abuses of medical research: human cloning in all its forms; creating or implanting embryos for experiments; creating human-animal hybrids; and buying, selling or patenting human embryos."
I'll leave aside the 'cloning in all its forms', which refers to reproductive cloning, which everyone wants to outlaw, but also to somatic cell nuclear transfer, an extremely useful way of deriving stem cells that I described here. (Scroll down to 'The Main Issue'.) What, exactly, does Bush mean by 'human-animal hybrids'? Any being that has human and animal parts? So much for Jesse Helms, who had a pig valve transplanted into him. (Don't laugh. Jesse Helms, like anyone who has received such a transplant, is technically a human/non-human chimera.) Does a "human-animal hybrid" mean a being that has been created not by putting a bit of animal into a human, or vice versa, but by breeding humans with animals? As far as I know, no one has proposed doing such a thing. So what does he have in mind?
Bear in mind when considering this that a lot of the very useful genetically engineered mice used by researchers have some human bit or other. They are not "human" in any morally significant sense -- they just have the odd human gene. Did Bush really mean to outlaw the Harvard OncoMouse and its various friends and relations? Or did it just make a good sound bite?
Your guess is as good as mine. Have at it.
What reading about addiction is on your syllabus? If you've got a recent, not-particularly specialized book or author you could recommend, I'd be grateful.
Posted by: Jackmormon | January 31, 2006 at 11:57 PM
The world must be saved from centaurs and men who turn into serpents. Remember Thulsa Doom in Conan? Is that what you want overrunning America?
We've also got to stop those mad scientists from putting four butts on various animals, and crossing pigs with elephants.
Won't someone think of the children?
Posted by: ThirdGorchBro | February 01, 2006 at 12:36 AM
I believe the President is trying to protect us from Dr. Mephisto.
Thank goodness he is in office and there to protect us. John Kerry and the Democrats favor elephants having sex with pigs, and human-animal voters, you know.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 12:47 AM
"We've also got to stop those mad scientists from putting four butts on various animals"
I thought it was chickens with extra drumsticks that the labs were working on. Now if they make a cow with extra porterhouses, that'll be ok.
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 12:49 AM
I probably should have acknowledged that 3GorchBro paid homage to the good Dr., and more amusingly than I did.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 12:55 AM
Jackmormon: what sort of thing did you have in mind? I range over a bunch of stuff: a bit of science, some econ-related rationality stuff, philosophers on weakness of the will, the big book of AA (about which I have A Theory, which I plan to inflict on my students) -- you name it.
Posted by: hilzoy | February 01, 2006 at 12:58 AM
I just saw this at DeLong:
To the Republicans on this site: please, please don't nominate someone who doesn't bother to find out when a new fed chair is appointed, and doesn't know his name.
Please.
Just asking.
Posted by: hilzoy | February 01, 2006 at 01:13 AM
"...about which I have A Theory...."
I'd be quite curious to hear even a brief summary.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 01:15 AM
Hilzoy, I think I understand the general science, although a few cites would never do me harm. The econ-stuff would probably do me good, but it's the philosophy stuff that would more cleanly align with my field and the Dissertation Not To Be Named or Discussed.
Posted by: Jackmormon | February 01, 2006 at 01:20 AM
Thinking of the children, I recall Kermit and Miss Piggy's hope for "bouncing baby figs."
Posted by: ral | February 01, 2006 at 01:22 AM
Green figs?
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 01:24 AM
Well, so much for the posting 'rules'.
May I say that this open thread is one insufferable ass of a post?
Posted by: matttbastard | February 01, 2006 at 01:29 AM
(not as insufferable as the Democrats who voted to confirm, mind you...)
Posted by: matttbastard | February 01, 2006 at 01:33 AM
I decided not to try to cultivate an addiction to painkillers.
So close to being like Jerry Lewis, and yet so far away...
Posted by: Delicious Pundit | February 01, 2006 at 01:37 AM
What does this mean for pundits? After all, your typical pundit in 2006 is a hybrid of man, hyena, and jackass, usually sired out of the love scene in Deliverance...
Lewis Grizzard was part pig late in his life. I miss Lewis.
Posted by: Jon | February 01, 2006 at 01:42 AM
Oh, ThirdGorchBro. Don't you know that pig and elephant DNA just won't splice?
Posted by: Anarch | February 01, 2006 at 01:46 AM
What the president didn't say, but certainly implied, is that it's full speed ahead for cyborgs.
Posted by: bad Jim | February 01, 2006 at 01:48 AM
Delicious P: I was scared, when they gave me the Oxycodone, that I would at last have to have something in common with Rush Limbaugh, Luckily, his drug of choice was Oxycontin, so I was spared that.
Jackmormon: there isn't (imho) a lot of good philosophical writing on addiction. Alas.
Posted by: hilzoy | February 01, 2006 at 01:57 AM
Does anyone know what President Bush's new legislation is to prohibit cloning? (I was not aware it was still on his to-do-list)
I was not particularly struck by his comments against cloning or his indirect attack on stem cell research. However, I was not expecting it. I feel as though in his speech he probably needed a rallying point, and stating "creating human-animal hybrids" would probably bring a lot of gasps to those watching... hence support. But I am not a Presidential speechwriter so I can only speculate.
However, it could be that the President watched "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe," over his winter vacation and became frightened by the idea of scientists creating real-living satyrs (one-part goat, one-part man). The D.C. neighboring Prince George's County does have reports of an actual Goat Man. (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Aurora/4746/feature2.html) Sorry, I need some humor.
The line of research studies that I pursue completely relies on using genetically engineered mice for breast cancer studies. Our transgenic mice provide one of the best breast cancer models in the world. The mice express a human proto-oncogene under the control of a powerful mouse promoter. Essentially, not only are these mice chimeras, but also one gene is half-human and half-mouse. (By definitions of both chimera and gene).
I see this entire situation as an awakening. I will not be the alleged 'pessimistic American' somewhere on the left side of the isle as nearly half of our country was called tonight. No, in spite of that comment, I will fully support the President in one area where I found him completely correct:
Bush: "We need to encourage children to take more math and science, and to make sure those courses are rigorous enough to compete with other nations."
In honor of our President who has not made any true attempt (to my knowledge) to understand the elaborate and complex science behind basic stem cell research and somatic cell nuclear transfer, I vow the following. Mr. President: I will teach everyone I possibly can the true science our country is being denied. (Maybe we should restrict Intelligent Design to religion classes so that time can be spent teaching actual science.)
Posted by: IntricateHelix | February 01, 2006 at 02:01 AM
Hilzoy: Delicious P: I was scared, when they gave me the Oxycodone, that I would at last have to have something in common with Rush Limbaugh, Luckily, his drug of choice was Oxycontin, so I was spared that.
You both use the same computing platform. Or at least he did as of a few years ago...
Posted by: Gromit | February 01, 2006 at 02:07 AM
In the honor of Rush Limbaugh and drug additions I give you this quote from none other but Rush Limbaugh...
"Too many whites are getting away with drug use. The answer is to ... find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them, and send them up the river."
The irony is just plain beautiful.
Posted by: IntricateHelix | February 01, 2006 at 02:15 AM
I have to say I'm no expert on George Allen, but whenever I've noticed him, he's been being an idiot.
And I don't mean that I'm challenging his policies. I mean he's been saying stuff like the above.
Perhaps I've always caught him on a bad day. As I said, I've not paid close or deep attention to him, as yet.
Also: George Pataki -- not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, though three heads and shoulders above Allen, so far as I've noticed. (But he was just a tool of D'Amato's, and I've never really gotten past that.)
I have a lot of issues with Rudy Guiliani, by contrast, but he's reasonably bright. Ditto Cheney. And I don't actually agree with those who maintain that G. W. Bush isn't bright. I have endless issues with Bush, and with his approach to many things, but I don't think he's actually stupid. Though he does give a credible appearance of that at times, to be sure. (And the Gardner multiple-types-of-intelligence thing is also relevant.)
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 02:22 AM
Gary Farber: And the Gardner multiple-types-of-intelligence thing is also relevant.
Interpersonal Intelligence, Kinesthetic Intelligence, Stovepiped Intelligence, and such?
Posted by: Gromit | February 01, 2006 at 02:34 AM
In a vain attempt to demonstrate that mattbastard is not a sockpuppet of mine, I'll ask him what the point of his posting with a link to a site that requires a password to access.
Give me a moment to log out and log back in to answer, ok?
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 02:50 AM
"Interpersonal Intelligence, Kinesthetic Intelligence, Stovepiped Intelligence, and such?"
Something like that.
Verbal intelligence: don't think so. Stovepiped? Yes. Interest in hearing people tell him where and when he's wrong? Probably not.
Intelligence at reading people? Probably.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 02:57 AM
If anyone cares, which I doubt, I'm, incidentally, about a zero on the bodily/kinesthetic; musical, not so much, though I know what I like (0 if we're talking making it); interpersonal, I'm actually effing brilliant at reading people in person, believe it or not -- communicating in person, up to a point -- mastering tone in writing -- not so much; knowing myself -- pretty good; logical-mathematical -- pretty good if there's no actual arithmatic involved; verbal, pretty good. So I think, anyway, for whatever that's worth. Rilkefan need not give me the news that I am biased and nonobjective about this.
But most of the time, put me in front of you in person, give me some time to get to know you (at least a few hours, maybe a few days if you are unusual), and I can generally read your mind. There are rare exceptions.
I can actually read pretty well, which is not as common as commonly presumed, and when I care to take the time, and I can make the words go where I want in adequate fashion.
Don't ask me to dance. You don't want to see me dance. And for god's sake, don't ask me to draw.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 03:07 AM
My sincere and humble apologies to Gary for breaking an apparently unwritten rule re: proper link decorum.
I used to link to my Livejournal, but I post far too infrequently in that particular forum to warrant any trivial self-promotion. The admin of the PR community was supposed to have opened up journals to non-registered users ages ago.
Still waiting for the grand unveiling to occur (and for ponies, etc.)
BTW Congrats to Hilzoy for THREE Koufax best post nominations!
Posted by: matttbastard | February 01, 2006 at 03:16 AM
"Interpersonal Intelligence, Kinesthetic Intelligence, Stovepiped Intelligence, and such?"
Something like that. Verbal intelligence: not one of G. W.'s. Stovepiped, yes. Interest in being told he's wrong: maybe not so much.
Ability to read people: probably.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 03:17 AM
Okay, I have no idea why your software presented me with an earlier post again, and then I hit post because my knee jerked "oh; it must not have posted".
So I'm too tired now, and need to leave and go sleep. Bye.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 03:20 AM
I imagine it's a reference to the guy who first cloned a sheep, who made headlines here in the UK a few weeks ago because he wants to create hybrid human/rabbit embryos to study motor neurone disease.
It also might possibly refer sinply to the use of the "shells" of rabbit ova as incubators for ordinary human stem cells by Chinese scientists. The two techniques are closely related, but do not necesarily pose the same ethical questions.
Posted by: Ginger Yellow | February 01, 2006 at 06:07 AM
None of those three is fit to fasten the sandal strap of this post, IMO.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 07:41 AM
"To the Republicans on this site: please, please don't nominate someone who doesn't bother to find out when a new fed chair is appointed, and doesn't know his name.
Please.
Just asking."
Hilzoy, are you kidding??!?!?!?!?!!
Nothing could be better for the Democrats than the Republicans nominating Allen. Then, the Democrats could nominate Mark Warner. The contrast in intellect and thoughtfulness would lead Warner to an easy victory!
As a sidenote, I should disclose that Allen once helped me get one of my animals back into a trailer. Despite his helping me, I would never consider voting for him.
Posted by: will | February 01, 2006 at 08:47 AM
Bush was probably referring to this.
"Mice With Human Brain Cells Created"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1214_051214_stem_cell.html
Posted by: Mario | February 01, 2006 at 08:59 AM
Has the First Lady eradicated the scourge of gangs from this great land yet by all 'bangers on a camping trip to Mars?
Posted by: norbizness | February 01, 2006 at 09:10 AM
First things first: Has the First Lady eliminated the national gang scourge by sending all 'bangers on a camping trip to Mars?
Posted by: norbizness | February 01, 2006 at 09:11 AM
I hate you, Typepad. So very much.
Posted by: norbizness | February 01, 2006 at 09:12 AM
To the Republicans on this site: please, please don't nominate someone who doesn't bother to find out when a new fed chair is appointed, and doesn't know his name.
Bah! We'll nominate who we please! The only thing the nominee has to know is "tax cuts" and "culture of life" are the answers to every question. You silly Democrats, with your nuance and your outmoded ideas about competence and responsibility. Why do you hate America?
Posted by: ThirdGorchBro | February 01, 2006 at 09:24 AM
And now I'll stop channeling DougJ from Balloon Juice and just say I hope the Republicans actually nominate someone that I can respect and, you know, vote for.
Posted by: ThirdGorchBro | February 01, 2006 at 09:26 AM
What I like best are the faux profundities the writers always sprinkle in Bush's speeches, sparkling little gems like:
"Sometimes it can seem that history is turning in a wide arc, toward an unknown shore."
Um, yeah. Somebody's been mangling Yeats. What rough beast indeed.
Posted by: Paul | February 01, 2006 at 09:35 AM
And hardly did I write that than a vast image out of the Bloggerus Mundi troubles my sight! A shape with lion body and the head of a man. And that my fellow Americans, is why need legislation prohibiting human-animal hybrids, toot-sweet!
Posted by: Paul | February 01, 2006 at 09:42 AM
George Allen? Why would the GOP nominate a Senator in 2008, when they've had so much better luck with Governors?
The human-animal chimaera thing is kind of weird. Bush has a record of doing the opposite of what he says he advocates, so I suspect there's a Secret Gummint Lab somewhere working on chimaeric Super Soldiers.
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 09:46 AM
See if we can spice it up for you hilzoy. I found http://www.thismodernworld.com/speech.html>this http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/02/carnival-of-commies-special-sotu.html>here. If it'll help, imagine the famed Pirate John "Cold Blooded Killer" Kerry presenting.
Posted by: blogbudsman | February 01, 2006 at 09:49 AM
Via BBM's second link:
"I missed the State of the Union address since I was at dinner with a bunch of bankers, having to settle for the second half with a NPR voiceover on the drive home."
Now that's the true face of human tragedy right there. I missed--well, I didn't miss it all, really--I neglected the address because I was at dinner with a bunch of drunken musicians.
Posted by: Paul | February 01, 2006 at 10:11 AM
I'm fully on board with the chimera thing, and think it should be extended to interbreeding between phenotypes of the same species so as to prevent such crimes against euphonia as the "Labradoodle." Do it for the children.
Posted by: togolosh | February 01, 2006 at 11:05 AM
"My sincere and humble apologies to Gary for breaking an apparently unwritten rule re: proper link decorum."
I don't think there's such a rule. I was merely puzzled at what the point might be. You've explained nicely. Thank you.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 11:11 AM
"...so I suspect there's a Secret Gummint Lab somewhere working on chimaeric Super Soldiers."
Hey, Stalin had one, so why not?
"Why would the GOP nominate a Senator in 2008, when they've had so much better luck with Governors?
"Why would the GOP nominate a Senator in 2008, when they've had so much better luck with Governors?"
Because Allen is still much better known as the former governor than the junior Senator?
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 11:21 AM
I kind of like the sound of "Labradoodle". At least it's a damn sight better than the "Schnoodle".
Posted by: kenB | February 01, 2006 at 11:45 AM
The human-animal chimaera thing is kind of weird. Bush has a record of doing the opposite of what he says he advocates, so I suspect there's a Secret Gummint Lab somewhere working on chimaeric Super Soldiers.
maybe he's been staying up late playing Far Cry and because of the lack of sleep, he's having a hard time keeping the two worlds straight in his mind.
Posted by: cleek | February 01, 2006 at 11:50 AM
But then my favorite, one of which I once had and loved dearly, is cockapoo.
Posted by: john miller | February 01, 2006 at 11:51 AM
Well, it's not that I object to chimaerism per se. I mean, I'd elbow my way to be first in line the day they can embed feline traits in humans. I've wanted kitty ears since forever, not to mention that agile flexibility...
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 11:59 AM
"I was at dinner with a bunch of drunken musicians."
Like one can have dinner with a bunch of sober musicians? (Though hangovers and piccolos [well, and violins too] don't mix well.]
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 12:00 PM
]<->)
Don't want to break the site...
Re kitty ears, one word: mites.
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 12:15 PM
CaseyL - I want a tail. Long, covered in soft fur, prehensile. Oh yes, that would be wonderful.
And you enablers of abomination: "Cockapoo?!" "Schnoodle?!" - Aaaaargh! Don't you understand that you are destroying Western Civilization? Whatever happened to "Mutt?" - that I could tolerate, even love. But I live in terror of the day our cities are ravaged by roving bands of Dachspoolabraspanbullhasas. And so should you.
Posted by: togolosh | February 01, 2006 at 12:22 PM
"But I live in terror of the day our cities are ravaged by roving bands of Dachspoolabraspanbullhasas. And so should you."
We'll just set the abyssawarthippopardelots on 'em!
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 12:44 PM
abyssawarthippopardelots
i want a St. Bichon's Pincer
Posted by: cleek | February 01, 2006 at 12:48 PM
Like one can have dinner with a bunch of sober musicians?
True, true.
I'd elbow my way to be first in line the day they can embed feline traits in humans.
Never mind crimes against euphonia, what about the furries? OMG!
Posted by: Paul | February 01, 2006 at 12:54 PM
"I want a St. Bichon's Pincer."
That comes in two configuration options:
1. Highrider: Fluffball on long legs
2. Ankle-snapper: Scary head on stubby legs
The "bright button eyes" are standard.
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 01:21 PM
Senator George...who, now?
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 01:32 PM
Screw that. Teeth, scaled up in proportion, plus retractable claws. Having the kitty-adrenaline surge might come in handy, too. The possibility that a truck with a piece of rope dangling off the back might distract me to the point of car-wreck is a sobering one, though. Having the visual acuity of a cat might be nice, but not if it comes at the expense of skull volume heretofore reserved for gray matter.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 01:40 PM
One of my rescue dogs is probably half belgian shepherd and half akita. Hence, shakita! (Great dog, btw.)
The other rescue dog appears to be half akita and half cat. I didn't know that Felix could crossbreed with Canis, but it appears to have happened with her. (also a great dog, but stubborn as a rock.)
Posted by: Francis | February 01, 2006 at 02:07 PM
George Allen is as dumb as a bag of rocks, and just as interested in his surroundings (as the Bernanke questions show).
Still, Ed Gillespie's anointing hand has been placed on his head. Allen is the un-McCain, who will have the fundamentalists and the Boeing (and similar) money behind him in the 2008 primaries. Unless something effectively ties him to the Abramoff-DeLay corruption before then, which is quite possible.
Posted by: Nell | February 01, 2006 at 02:09 PM
If Bush really meant to outlaw everything from transgenic mice to the hamster egg assay, and if he succeeds in his desire, medicine in the US is officially screwed and we might as well all move to Britain, which has unusually sane laws on cloning*, now.
*British law, if I understand it correctly, basically says "in vitro clones ok, in vivo not ok": in other words, just don't try to implant the clone.
Posted by: Dianne | February 01, 2006 at 02:09 PM
[I]f he succeeds in his desire, medicine in the US is officially screwed..."
Then take it as given that he will succeed. There is not one single aspect of American education, industry, or medicine, that Bush hasn't screwed up. I hardly think genetic therapies will be an exception.
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 02:19 PM
We have a young apple headed Himalayan rag doll. He's a hoot.
Posted by: blogbudsman | February 01, 2006 at 02:33 PM
If you cross a dachshund with a terrier, what do you get? I just realized that my dog is the French word for "butt".
Posted by: lily | February 01, 2006 at 02:42 PM
"Then take it as given that he will succeed."
I've opened my cv in another window and begun updating it. I literally can not work without violating the law Bush proposed and therefore will have to move elsewhere. Hope I can beat the glut of US medical researchers about to come onto the European, Canadian, and Asian market.
Posted by: Dianne | February 01, 2006 at 02:45 PM
"apple headed Himalayan"
huh?
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 03:00 PM
It's a cat, methinks.
Posted by: spartikus | February 01, 2006 at 03:31 PM
"Hope I can beat the glut..."
I came this/close to leaving soon after November 2004. The only thing that stopped me was age - mine. There's just no way I'll be ble to contribute my share to NZ's retirement fund, and finding a job in my field at my age might also be difficult.
Plus - and its a big factor - my kitties. They're much too old to endure the 9-month quarantine, and much too old to find another home.
But if you're under 45, and you're bright - esp. if your work is in sciences, life science, medicine, etc. - for the love of god, get out. Particularly if you have kids, get out. Go to a country that hasn't opted for senescence and decay.
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 03:40 PM
Although this thread has gone in other directions, I'll answer the original question: he's trying to make them all sound morally equivalent, so that supporting stem cell research makes you the moral equivalent of Dr. Moreau.
Posted by: Ted | February 01, 2006 at 04:08 PM
Francis - I have a cat that's half dog. Lovely beast despite being quite, quite mad. She comes when called, and loves to play fetch.
Ted - I think you are correct, which is why I have kissed reality goodbye and retreated into the comfort and security of batshit craziness. In loonyland the most powerful nation in the world isn't ruled by a man who equates lifesaving medical research with the creation of B movie monsters. It's ruled by Butterstick the baby Panda. You should visit sometime.
Posted by: togolosh | February 01, 2006 at 05:11 PM
I want a tail.
Go out and read Venus on a Half Shell by Kilgore Trout. (Discussions of the authorship are interesting as well)
Posted by: liberal japonicus | February 01, 2006 at 05:22 PM
Read it, know all about the authorship thingie. He had me fooled, too, although in hindsight...not quite as much like KV; the name-plant just steered me that way.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 05:36 PM
"apple headed Himalayan"
I thought we were talking about animal-animal hybrids, not animal-plant hybrids. The sphinx, ok. Fruitocephalic felines, not ok.
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 05:36 PM
Anubis. That's the name I was looking for. And who could forget Chworktap?
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 05:39 PM
Fruitocephalic felines, not ok.
But they're refreshing, when served chilled.
Posted by: spartikus | February 01, 2006 at 05:41 PM
Weren't the Hawkmen the mortal enemies of Ming the Merciless? It's all starting to make sense.
Posted by: Tim | February 01, 2006 at 05:43 PM
A fable about hybridism in search of an editor.
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 05:47 PM
i want a St. Bichon's Pincer
I was thinking St. Berhuahua.
Posted by: DaveL | February 01, 2006 at 05:54 PM
It's Groundhog Day. Wonder if John Thullen is going to see his shadow.
Posted by: rilkefan | February 01, 2006 at 06:14 PM
"(Discussions of the authorship are interesting as well)"
Well, it was pretty much just typical of Phil Farmer, really. He wrote endlessly, essays and books, about all the imaginary connections, particularly family relationships, between and among a vast number of fictional characters, and who allegedly begat who and such, quite creatively. (Sherlock Holmes, Doc Savage, and the like, being typical of his focus; then there were the endless Riverworld books using "real people" as characters, which like many series, started out fairly well, but eventually turned into a dead horse as due to their popularity, he was offered more and better contracts and $.)
And he did endless number of pastiches; pastiches have always been popular in the field, but he might be the king.
So "Half Shell" has always just seemed another in a vast horde of such work, to me, and not a hugely interesting one; his pastiches were better when short, as such things usually are, in my view (then; haven't reread the thing since it was published). But I'm more than a bit jaded about that sort of thing; I was already working as a freelancer for Jim Frenkel when he bought the manuscript and published the book.
I quite liked Vonnegut when I was young, as most folks of that age do. Haven't read or reread anything of his but some modern essays in umpty years. I imagine some of it would hold up, and some not as much, but I couldn't say without putting it to the test again.
This seems reasonably right to me, though:
"It's Groundhog Day. Wonder if John Thullen is going to see his shadow."Well, Harper Lee came out and saw hers.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 06:42 PM
Thanks Gary,
My particular point was that the description of the protagonist realizing he has a prehensile tail and then, well, it was quite, errr, vivid. The authorship link was that I didn't want anyone to presume that Kilgore Trout was a real person.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | February 01, 2006 at 07:40 PM
GF: Thanks for the Harper Lee link. It was a lovely late-afternoon distraction. I'm looking forward to the time when my kids are old enough for me to read TKaM to them.
Posted by: xanax | February 01, 2006 at 07:59 PM
"Why would the GOP nominate a Senator in 2008, when they've had so much better luck with Governors?
"Why would the GOP nominate a Senator in 2008, when they've had so much better luck with Governors?"
You know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone double post inside the same post before...
Posted by: Anarch | February 01, 2006 at 08:23 PM
It's stereo, for the increased pleasure of you, the reader. Be grateful I didn't decide to provide quadrophonic.
It's all part of the evil service.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 08:36 PM
Since this is an open thread, I will ask a question of everyone that has been rattling around in my head. I am not a great conspiracy theorist, yet I am wondering why Bush and Co. want to reduce the size of the National Guard at this time? If we have a national disaster (or a terrorist attack), I thought these should be our frontline responders...of course, if they are not in Iraq. But why now? Why the National Guard....because they are theoretically under the control of the Governor of each State? I find the implications of this a bit unsettling.....
Posted by: jwo | February 01, 2006 at 08:51 PM
He wants to replace the National Guard with chimaeric Super Soldiers loyal to him alone.
Posted by: CaseyL | February 01, 2006 at 08:58 PM
I seem to remember something about a provision in the renewed Patriot Act for the formation of a uniformed branch of the Secret Service with the power to arrest anyone who was near an event important for "national security" whether they had probable cause to believe that a crime was being committed or not.* Maybe the uniformed SS is the replacement for the National Guard.
*I'm going on memory, being too lazy to actually look it up, so I may be mistaken about the details of the new SS branch. I assume Gary Farber will correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by: Dianne | February 01, 2006 at 09:18 PM
"I am wondering why Bush and Co. want to reduce the size of the National Guard at this time?"
Easy one-word answer: cost. Compared to what they want to do, and given all the Congressional mandates to spend money on this, that, and the other, including the usual range of stuff the military actually doesn't want, but which makes for lovely pork, despite the number of billions in play, the Pentagon still doesn't have remotely as much as would be nice and desirable to do what they do want to spend money on, so it's gotta come out of somewhere.
And we really do need to spend more money on full-time troops, not National Guard troops, the use of whom, as should be obvious to anyone who has paid even the faintest atttention in the last five years, has been deeply politically problematic, and whom have also not been quite as effective as hoped. You just can't possibly get the same quality of performance with troops who train on weekends and for two weeks a year as with people who do it full time for their living.
It's just that simple. The Pentagon isn't in the business of making governors happy; they're in the business of fighting wars, and now of doing peacekeeping and nation building.
Lastly, this is one of those "oh, you want to cut the Park Service budget? We'll have to close the national parks!" moves where the agency involved, when faced with a cut or lack of funds, announces that the most valued and publically popular thing they do will have to be closed, knowing completely well that Congress will never let it happen, and will vote more funds to keep it from happening.
Thus, like clockwork, 70 Senators write a Concerned Letter.
Works every time. Guaranteed.
"I assume Gary Farber will correct me if I'm wrong."
Sounds right, except for this: "Maybe the uniformed SS is the replacement for the National Guard."
That's just silly, though maybe you were making a joke.
The definition of "an event of national significance" was made in law a few years back; whether it was in the original Patriot Act or in another law, I'd have to double-check; certain events are declared as such, such as Presidential inaugurations, national political conventions, the Super-Bowl, Olympics, a few other events of such nature.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 09:45 PM
Sorry, I was hasty, as usual, and missed this on the first pass: "formation of a uniformed branch of the Secret Service."
The uniformed Secret Service has been around for umpty decades. They're the guys who stand around in uniform guarding the White House and such. There's nothing remotely "new" about them, or that needs "formation."
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 09:48 PM
Founded in 1860; reformed into the Executive Protective Service in 1970; they've protected a lot of people, included designated embassies, ever since. Changed to United States Secret Service Uniformed Division in 1977.
Of course, if you're a moron like Michael Moore, this is news to you. I think I read my first book about the history of the Secret Service at around age 7, circa 1965. It was simple, but had the basic history. (Note: this is not to condemn anyone for not knowing this; it's to condemn someone who would make a film that made a big deal about this, without first reading the modern grade-school version, at least, or spending six seconds on Google, or who pretends he didn't.)
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 01, 2006 at 09:54 PM
Well, the article doesn't say that, does it? What it does say is that Rumsfeld wants to reduce the authorized number of Guard from 105% of its current ranks to 100% of its current ranks.
Unless I missed something, which of course is a strong possibility.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | February 01, 2006 at 10:27 PM
It's ruled by Butterstick the baby Panda. You should visit sometime.
Hey! His name is Tai Shan, and he's the cutest, bestest baby panda ever!
Posted by: Anarch | February 01, 2006 at 11:34 PM
They named a panda after a Rush song?
Posted by: rilkefan | February 02, 2006 at 12:01 AM
Why am I not surprised?
Presumably, then, we can just consume more so that imports are as high as ever?
This tends to confirm my theory that, while nuclear power is better than the old coal plants, the much greater interest that conservatives show for nukes than, say, wind power is less based on economics than sheer spite. Sure, the government can subsidize energy, but none of that hippy dippy pollution free-crap for us--give us some old fashioned uranium, damn it.
Posted by: Katherine | February 02, 2006 at 01:23 AM
oops. here is what the second part of that was supposed to say:
This is also special:
This tends to confirm my theory that, while nuclear power is better than the old coal plants, the much greater interest that conservatives show for nukes than, say, wind power is less based on economics than sheer spite. Sure, the government can subsidize energy, but none of that hippy dippy pollution free-crap for us--give us some old fashioned uranium, damn it.
Posted by: Katherine | February 02, 2006 at 01:24 AM
"Sure, the government can subsidize energy, but none of that hippy dippy pollution free-crap for us--give us some old fashioned uranium, damn it."
Umm, its because it takes a lot of land for windmills to make the energy of just one nuclear power plant. And wind power is really bad for birds. The subsidy-to-gigawatt ratio is very different comparing nuclear to say wind power.
Posted by: Sebastian Holsclaw | February 02, 2006 at 01:27 AM
Bad for birds? Years ago, yes, though the environmental effects were never actually comparable in any way shape or form. Now--not so much. When did you last review the literature on this, Seb? To me this sounds like a knee jerking.
After that start you're going have to provide some actual info on subsidy-to-gigawatt ratio before I'll begin to believe you. Nuclear power is very heavily subsidized indeed, say the Cato institute and the NRDC (the NRDC citing MIT economist Paul Joskow, I should note). And while wind power is getting much cheaper per amount produced nuclear power is getting a lot more expensive.
Of course, before futzing around with subsidies we should be talking about a carbon tax, cap and trade, replacing those ridiculous midwestern coal plants, raising the CAFE standards--internalize the externalities & let the market work. But the administration is not interested in more than futzing.
Posted by: Katherine | February 02, 2006 at 01:39 AM
sorry, nuclear power isn't getting ANY LESS expensive.
I know it's partly safety regs etc. but a lot of those are in place for a reason and I very much doubt that there is political will to repeal them.
Posted by: Katherine | February 02, 2006 at 01:41 AM
"What the president meant, they said in a conference call with reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from the Middle East in 2025."
Call me wacky, and I sort of hate saying things that sound like I'm defending Bush, but of all the quite valid things to smack him about that he said in the SOTU, and there are more than a few, this one -- which is of course going around all the left/liberal blogs since it was posted and I read it some time this afternoon, this one seems pretty darn silly to me.
Anyone not an idiot knows that oil is fungible, and there's no other possible meaning to "we're going to cut oil imports from the Mideast." I read the text of the speech last night and understood that as an obvious given. It makes no sense otherwise. You can cut oil imports oil you like (will this happen?; I'll believe it when I see it), but it's not going to change anything in the Mideast or the importance of its oil to the world.
If one wants to smack Bush for the energy part of his speech, I'd point out that the money he announced he desired for alternative sources is merely restoring money he cut earlier in his term, and that the amount he announced he desired for solar is pocket change.
This one is just a silly, much as I enjoy pointing out when Bush is being a hypocrite; it's much ado about nothing. There are endless other things in the speech really worth smacking. In my opinion, of course.
"Presumably, then, we can just consume more so that imports are as high as ever?"
Doesn't seem to inherently follow, although it's quite possible and perhaps likely that's how it will work out.
Posted by: Gary Farber | February 02, 2006 at 01:53 AM