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October 12, 2005

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I've lost my atheism along with my sanity.

JFTR, aspens creep the hell out of me.

Don't forget to note the speculation ricocheting around the media, which is that the WH divided over this, with some possible divisions being

-those who are going down and those who aren't
-Cheney supporters and Bush supporters
-Karl Rover vs Andy Card
and a few other theories. Here is the C&L

Others have noted Cheney's disappearance from public view, and suggested the Miers nomination is evidence of shifting tides. Fun stuff.

Whoops. Here is the c&l link to the Fineman speculations.

For those of us who've been following this more intently than we oughtta, is there anything new in these reports? Most of this I've seen already, and I can no longer distinguish between earlier, somewhat wild-eyed speculation and more contemporary, sober speculation... let alone anything factual, a resource in some scarcity nowadays.

I admit, I'm a late comer as well, but I love the other stuff at firedoglake that Hilzoy recommends above and the contributor emptywheel at The next hurrah.

Minds are already blowing up from the anticipated speculation. Will the revelations from Fitzgerald be a big deal? My eight ball keeps indicating Signs point to yes -- must be broke on that response because its been doing that for two years running. Yet I keep checking -- need something to happen SOON.

Bloggers are gaining some MSM creds over this story, especially at Next Hurrah and firedoglake. Swopa at Needlenose(that's over at the left, isn't it) has been putting some effort in. Mark Kleiman has also been posting, but like so many of us, has gone mad with Bush-hatred.
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This will never be over. Never. Iran-Contra is still controversial, tho little discussed. Watergate had some satisfactory resolution in a bunch of Republicans being disbarred and sent to jail, but had little direct foreign policy implications. Vietnam is an irradicable scar we see in the mirror every day. Kids wonder how it got passed on to them.

I think there will be very little real justice attained, and the issues(oil,proliferation,democraticization, executive power, Middle East, Cult of George the Blessed Idiot King) will remain central for a long time. This administration will burn and shred and lie and write their BS bios and whatever the "Truth" might be, it will never be "known." This will eternally enrage the "Reality-Based Community" You will all die surrounded by heated arguments about Gulf War II and Valerie Plame.

i still think nothing will come of this.

i don't base that on any special reading of the information, just a gut feeling - maybe Fitzgerald will come out with a couple of weak charges against a couple of bit players who will get tried, convicted and sentenced to a couple of years of vacation. then they'll end up doing wingnut talk radio in five years, adding a couple more voices to the chorous of "i was kept down by the Giant Liberal Conspiracy!!!"

powerful people get away with it

This administration will burn and shred and lie and write their BS bios and whatever the "Truth" might be, it will never be "known." This will eternally enrage the "Reality-Based Community" You will all die surrounded by heated arguments about Gulf War II and Valerie Plame.

gack. how depressing. entirely true, though.

Anarch: the june 23 meeting is new as of a few days ago. The fact that Libby did not mention it was speculated on, but I think it hasn't been actually reported. Ditto the claim that Rove actually told Bush he wasn't involved.

Bob M is right. If Nixon could be rehabilitated, and Oliver North, who was not only guilty as sin but obviously nuts, could run for Senate, we have to expect such bizarro scenarios as: Karl Rove, martyr.

Karl Rove, martyr
He's already thinking about how it will happen, if
this has any meaning along those lines (emptywheel provides a possible explanation (go down to "Waiting is the Hardest Part October 2004 to July 2005"))

Background on the White House Iraq Group:

"Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II,"

For the first time in US history, "we allowed strategic psychological operations to become part of public affairs... [W]hat has happened is that information warfare, strategic influence, [and] strategic psychological operations pushed their way into the important process of informing the peoples of our two democracies.

One can only hope Fitzgerald has the real goods on this operation.

we have to expect such bizarro scenarios as: Karl Rove, martyr.

i already hear that kind of stuff from some of the righties i talk with; they're convinced Wilson was giving "aid and comfort" and needed to be kneecapped. and so Rove, or whoever, did a good thing in exposing him and his traitor wife, or whatever.

as i said last week: in the cult of W, anyone who speaks against W is a priori wrong, and it's the member's duty to simply find out why that person is wrong.

You guys make me feel old. But in a good way. I was in my early 20s when Watergate went down. Endless war, check. Democrats can't win an election to save their life, check. But despair is a trap. Sometimes the good guys win.

Yeah, but Amos, with Watergate, we at least had some public hearings. We heard the questions asked, we heard the "I do not recall" drone of those testifying. We sat (in my family's case), listening to the radio and saying our "Amens" to Sam Ervin and Howard Baker and the rest of the committee and its staff.

This is completely different. And while Fitzgerald's secrecy is something I agree with, it's tough -- after living with an administration so opposed to transparency -- to be patient.

Oh, from the righties I hear how the lefties are going to be SHOCKED when WILSON is arrested for outing his own wife, and some new speculation that Hillary is being investigated in conjunction with it.

I find that really amusing.

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