by hilzoy
David Brooks outdoes himself today:
"Karl Rove has his theories about what separates liberals from conservatives and I have mine. Mine include the differences between Jeffrey Sachs and George Bush. (...)Sachs is a child of the French Enlightenment. At the end of his new book, "The End of Poverty," he delivers an unreconstructed tribute to the 18th-century Enlightenment, when leading thinkers had an amazing confidence in their ability to refashion reality so that it would conform to reason. (...)
The Bush folks, at least when it comes to Africa policy, have learned from centuries of conservative teaching - from Burke to Oakeshott to Hayek - to be skeptical of Sachsian grand plans. Conservatives emphasize that it is a fatal conceit to think we can understand complex societies, or rescue them from above with technocratic planning. (...)
Conservatives appreciate the crooked timber of humanity - that human beings are not simply organisms within systems, but have minds and inclinations of their own that usually defy planners. You can give people mosquito nets to prevent malaria, but they might use them instead to catch fish."
First of all, Brooks is wrong about the Enlightenment. While many writers in the French Enlightenment thought it was possible to improve society somewhat, and that reason could help us to figure out how, most of the major figures of the Enlightenment (French or otherwise) did not have a lot of confidence in their ability to refashion reality so that it would conform to reason. (Montesquieu? Diderot? Voltaire? Rousseau?) The closest thing to a major figure in the French Enlightenment who did think this was Condorcet. But people who cite Condorcet in support of this idea generally overlook the fact that the work in which he most clearly comes down in its favor was written in 1790, when he was in hiding from the Terror, and is therefore more likely to be a desperate statement of hope against all odds than a simple statement of what he believes.
Sorry. I just had to say that. It's an error that annoys me, since one of the reasons I love the French Enlightenment is their rich and dark view of human nature and its complexities. (And for the record: when Brooks refers to 'the crooked timber of humanity', he is of course quoting Kant, a member of, you guessed it, the Enlightenment.)
More obviously, though: what on earth is this business about Bush and his advisors having "learned from centuries of conservative teaching -- from Burke to Oakeshott to Hayek -- to be skeptical of Sachsian grand plans"? Huh? Is Brooks talking about some other George Bush -- one who, when confronted by the possibility of remaking Iraq by force, responded with skepticism? Who refused to invade Iraq until his administration had really thought through the problems of reconstituting Iraqi society after the fall of Saddam, because he had learned from Oakeshott that any such undertaking would be difficult and perilous? Who decided not to try to remake Iraq along conservative economic principles that it had never known before, on the grounds that a Burkean gradualist approach would be preferable to recreating the Iraqi economy from scratch as a sort of Heritage Foundation theme park? Who asked his advisors, at every turn: how can we be sure that this attempt to bring freedom to Iraq will go the way we want it to? Are we sure we will be greeted as liberators? Don't human beings have minds and inclinations of their own that usually defy planners? Have we paid enough attention to the ways in which our plans could go wrong?
Maybe this skeptical George W. Bush is alive and well in some alternate universe. Maybe in that far-off galaxy he is cautiously leading America from strength to strength, and from victory to victory. But the George W. Bush who is running our country is about as far from the conservative, gradualist, skeptical vision of Burke, Oakeshott, and Hayek as it's possible to be.
maybe he's thinking of the George Bush of campaign 2000 - the "No Nation Building", "Not The World's Policeman" Bush - i hear Brroks has a pinup of that Bush on inside of the door in his locker at the Kool Kids locker room.
he probably thinks the guy who ripped off his mask in early fall 2001 to become New American Century Bush is an imposter sent from the Bizarro World to confound all those rugged individualist paleo-cons - "Choose! Your party or your ideals!" "My Party! My Party! A thousand times, my party!"
Posted by: cleek | June 26, 2005 at 06:55 PM
Sachs is a child of the French Enlightenment. At the end of his new book, "The End of Poverty," he delivers an unreconstructed tribute to the 18th-century Enlightenment, when leading thinkers had an amazing confidence in their ability to refashion reality so that it would conform to reason.
Whereas the Bush administration has an amazing confidence in its ability to refashion reality so that it will conform to unreason.
Thank you and goodnight!
Posted by: Toadmonster | June 26, 2005 at 07:00 PM
You can give people mosquito nets to prevent malaria, but they might use them instead to catch fish.
Given that anti malaria mosquito nets are for beds, this is a pretty amusing comment. Pathetic, but amusing.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 26, 2005 at 07:15 PM
Where have the David Brookses of the world even heard of the Enlightenment? Did they even get that far in The Closing of the American Mind?
Evidently in DB's case it's from dustjackets of Isaiah Berlin?
Posted by: Anderson | June 26, 2005 at 07:44 PM
Oh, we've missed the best part of Hilzoy's quote:
At least when it comes to Africa policy.
So, Bush et al. are sophisticated conservatives. When it comes to policy areas that they don't actually care much aboout. Like that continent full of black people. Where they don't really want to spend much money in the first place, needing it for the stuff they DO care about, like transfering large sums of money from the U.S. Treasury into the pocketbooks of their donors, I mean, of the contractors bringing freedom to Iraq.
I wish DB would go rescue some African prostitutes and STFU about George Bush, Hayekian.
Posted by: Anderson | June 26, 2005 at 07:50 PM
I think you misunderstand what what the enlightenment was all about. These "Sachsian" grand plans you speak of are utopian. The assertion that conservative teachings of at least the last 100 years that the idea of building utopian societies is both impractical and misguided is completely accurate. I fail to see how you can have a problem with that statement. You think the neocons are UTOPIANS? You think the Bush administration is went into Iraq to try and build a utopia there?
Or is it that you don't really understand what the enlightenment was all about? Sometimes, people get educated beyond their ability to comprehend, I guess.
Posted by: Craig | June 26, 2005 at 07:55 PM
I'm not sure Brooks is aware that he's quoting Kant. I rather suspect instead that he once browsed around a bit at Crooked Timber and rather liked their masthead.
Posted by: Jackmormon | June 26, 2005 at 07:57 PM
You think the Bush administration is went into Iraq to try and build a utopia there?
Hard to tell, given that they have succeeded in creating a working dystopia. If we simply judge them on results, there is no way anyone would think they were trying to build a utopia. However, it is possible to think that you are going to do one thing and end up doing the opposite.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 26, 2005 at 08:06 PM
If an aversion to grand plans, a focus on incremental progress, attention paid to detail, and a results-based attitude makes one a conservative, then I am astonished to find that I am quite conservative. And of course Bush is anything but.
Iraq proves it, but consider also his approach to domestic policy. He is much given to large-scale plans, devised with no thought to underlying details, consequences, or implementation issues. Social Security of course is a prime example. And he is quick to sneer at those who introduce troublesome nitpicky matters like arithmetic into the debate. Remember "fuzzy math?"
In this context, I also find it odd that alleged conservatives criticize the Democrats for a lack of big ideas and an obstructionist attitude toward the Administration. Shouldn't those be positive attributes?
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov | June 26, 2005 at 08:35 PM
Reminds me of something I wrote:
Without reforming the African governments, there's no assurance that the aid will go where it should or that it will help. What's gonna happen when a huge bundle of money goes to Mugabeland to pay for the Big Five? Think that's going to help? Brooks is right, whether or not you agree with him on the enlightenment or crooked timbers.Posted by: Charles Bird | June 26, 2005 at 08:38 PM
"Or is it that you don't really understand what the enlightenment was all about? Sometimes, people get educated beyond their ability to comprehend, I guess."
That's pretty funny.
Me, I get confused between the English Enlightenment, the French Enlightenment, and Kant, who was an Enlightenment unto himself. Locke and Hume and Smith do seem to be searching for the limits of reason in order to make reason a more useful tool. I get confused by the French Enlightenment because I have never read those guys, which makes them more difficult to comprehend.
On the other hand, David Brooks never confuses me.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | June 26, 2005 at 08:50 PM
"Without reforming the African governments, there's no assurance that the aid will go where it should or that it will help. What's gonna happen when a huge bundle of money goes to Mugabeland to pay for the Big Five?"
So Charles, spend the money in ways you would actually find useful, whatever that might be. But Bush is actually just claiming the credit for good intentions in Africa while spending the money elsewhere. The African people are not deceived.
Posted by: bob mcmanus | June 26, 2005 at 08:53 PM
I get confused by the French Enlightenment because I have never read those guys, which makes them more difficult to comprehend.
You may be putting Descartes before the horse.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 26, 2005 at 10:01 PM
We are now definitely into Python territory:
Posted by: ral | June 26, 2005 at 10:10 PM
Craig: "Or is it that you don't really understand what the enlightenment was all about? Sometimes, people get educated beyond their ability to comprehend, I guess."
I'd be happy to debate the Enlightenment with you whenever you want. Pick a figure, and we can start right away.
Brooks' criticism of the Enlightenment is that, and I quote, "leading thinkers had an amazing confidence in their ability to refashion reality so that it would conform to reason." I deny that that's true of the major Enlightenment thinkers, though it's true of some minor ones. If you dispute this, fire away with some specifics.
Bush also defends Bush, or at least "the Bush folks", on the grounds that they are "skeptical of Sachsian grand plans", and know that it is a "fatal conceit to think we can understand complex societies, or rescue them from above with technocratic planning." I claim that the Bush administration has tried to reform Iraq with precisely such a grand plan, and that this contradicts their supposed Burkean/Oakeshottian/Hayekian wisdom.
I will also claim now that I do not think it is possible for someone to have fully appreciated the lessons of those thinkers and so spectacularly fail to apply them in other obvious cases; and therefore that any of the "Bush folks" who have responsibility for both Iraq and Africa have, I believe, failed to learn those lessons. Possibly the undersecretary of state for Africa has fully absorbed his Burke, but Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al have not.
Posted by: hilzoy | June 26, 2005 at 10:20 PM
"Genghis Khan, but Immanuel Kant."
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov | June 26, 2005 at 10:35 PM
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant.
Posted by: Chuchundra | June 26, 2005 at 10:43 PM
No! No! Any moment now we're going to start talking about the Humean condition, and then my head will explode.
Posted by: hilzoy | June 26, 2005 at 10:45 PM
No! No! Any moment now we're going to start talking about the Humean condition, and then my head will explode.
I agree. We should Locke this up immediately.
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov | June 26, 2005 at 11:55 PM
Charles Bird wrote "What's gonna happen when a huge bundle of money goes to Mugabeland...?"
Sachs recognizes the problem of corruption and is committed to close monitoring of aid. Whether Sachs' proposal will work will depend on the details of who receives the aid and how its use is monitored. It's those details that we should be debating. The evidence that Bush is right in practice is what, exactly? The report card on Bush's plan is that so far, almost nothing has gone out through his Millenium fund, while billions have gone to oh-so-democratic Egypt and Pakistan.
Charles, do you have evidence that the UN's Millenium fund plans to send aid to Mugabe? That's an important fact, it is true.
Posted by: Bill Gardner | June 27, 2005 at 12:34 AM
I agree. We should Locke this up immediately.
We should, but we Kant!
Posted by: Anarch | June 27, 2005 at 01:51 AM
If you're going to talk like that, I'm going to pick up my toys and go Hume.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | June 27, 2005 at 08:36 AM
"If you're going to talk like that, I'm going to pick up my toys and go Hume."
Wearing your Burke-nstocks?
Posted by: Dantheman | June 27, 2005 at 08:46 AM
What the Hegel is wrong with you people and your bizarre sense of Hume-r??
Posted by: kenB | June 27, 2005 at 09:23 AM
"What's gonna happen when a huge bundle of money goes to Mugabeland to pay for the Big Five? Think that's going to help? Brooks is right, whether or not you agree with him on the enlightenment or crooked timbers."
Posted by: Charles Bird
You've got a point, Charles. IIRC, we've seen $300 billion US go to Iraq, just to screw things up. And that's the stated cost; there's probably that much more in hidden costs. Plus the costs which will come from giving Al Qaida their Afghanistan II, which (hopefully) will amount to (only!) a few hundred billion more dollars.
Posted by: Barry | June 27, 2005 at 09:23 AM
But Bush is actually just claiming the credit for good intentions in Africa while spending the money elsewhere. The African people are not deceived.
Bush has committed more aid for Africa than in any other administration in history, bob.
Posted by: Charles Bird | June 27, 2005 at 09:56 AM
Charles, could you please break that down for us into money promised, money obligated, and money spent?
Posted by: Mark | June 27, 2005 at 10:05 AM
Here's a start: the GAO report (pdf) on the Millenium Challenge program. "For fiscal years 2004 and 2005, Congress appropriated nearly $1 billion and $1.5 billion, respectively, for MCC; for fiscal year 2006, the President is requesting $3 billion." As of April 27, when the report was published, $110million had been obligated, and none had been spent.
Posted by: hilzoy | June 27, 2005 at 10:15 AM
And I forgot to add: I think Bush originally promised to ask for something like $5billion a year, but hasn't.
Posted by: hilzoy | June 27, 2005 at 10:17 AM
Charles Bird: Bush has committed more aid for Africa than in any other administration in history, bob.
Bush has committed no new money to Africa. He's only committed money already appropriated by Congress for poverty relief - in short, his headline-grabbing aid to Africa means other anti-poverty projects elsewhere will be shorted.
Also: link
Bush isn't - or shouldn't be - competing with past Presidents. The problems of Africa should not be treated as a PR gift. To argue that "Bush is doing more" can doubtless be finagled out of the figures, but who cares? The fact is that, proportionate to GDP, the US does less than any other industrialised country.
And the way in which international aid is targetted isn't usually altruistic.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | June 27, 2005 at 10:17 AM
the President is requesting $3 billion." As of April 27, when the report was published, $110million had been obligated, and none had been spent.
If they had spent that money, they would have been trying to set up a utopia! Just say no to that ole debbil Enlightenment!
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 27, 2005 at 10:19 AM
Charles, could you please break that down for us into money promised, money obligated, and money spent?
Read the words I actually wrote, Mark.
McQ has a good">http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=2006">good piece on African aid and the elephant in the room. Also, a good follow-up here.
Posted by: Charles Bird | June 27, 2005 at 10:43 AM
Blockquote begone!
Posted by: Anarch | June 27, 2005 at 10:49 AM
Posted by: hilzoy | June 27, 2005 at 10:53 AM
And on topic:
Read the words I actually wrote, Mark.
Could you maybe answer the question he actually asked, since it's more than a little relevant to the matter at hand? hilzoy and Jesurgislac have done the heavy lifting for you already; with that context, I'm curious to see how you justify crowing about Bush's "commitment" when it's so manifestly all hat with nary a cattle in sight.
Posted by: Anarch | June 27, 2005 at 10:54 AM
The thing of it is, Charles, that while Nigeria has been one of the most corrupt countries in the world for as long as I can remember...
It's been a while, but I think Nigeria and Indonesia used to compete for the coveted title of "Most Corrupt Nation on Earth" every year for the past few decades. Bribery's so endemic in both places that I've heard both countries offers receipts on sufficiently large bribes which can then be expensed, although that could be apocryphal.
Posted by: Anarch | June 27, 2005 at 10:57 AM
Charles,
I think the point here is that you are making contradictory arguments.
1. You praise Bush for his large commitment of funds to Africa.
2. When it is pointed out that little of this commitment has been met you argue that financial aid to Africa is largely wasted, so what difference does it make.
But if #2 is true then Bush's commitment is foolish, not praiseworthy. And if #2 is false then the failure to meet the commitment is dishonest.
Posted by: Bernard Yomtov | June 27, 2005 at 11:17 AM
Geez, it would be nice if you actually made an effort to know why Nigeria has a debt problem before you use it, as Bernard has pointed out, to contradict yourself. The bulk of the debts were accrued under military dictators, who then refused to pay (try it with your credit cards and you can see how it works). Check out this Brookings Institute policy brief to understand what is at issue.
from Chas' link
The good professor is right, and, given its assets in oil reserves, Nigeria at least has the capability to pay its debt. It may need to be restructured, but it shouldn't be cancelled as it is a perfect example of all that's wrong in Africa.
It's interesting how observations about the historical basis of problems suddenly get turned into evidence for 'political correctness' which then justifies a tough love kind of treatment. You may want to look at the Economist piece or this Financial Times piece. Or, keeping in mind your constant exhortions about the threat of Islamic fundamentalism, this article makes the following points:
Reclassification would also strengthen the case for Nigeria receiving an immediate write-down of a large portion of its debt to bilateral donors (along the lines of concessional Naples terms for IDA-only countries), which we argue is critical to any hope that the current government’s economic and political reform efforts can be sustained. The creditors have good reason for supporting such a change as part of a broader strategy for encouraging progress in Africa’s most populous country, and one that is key to stabilizing a region where internal conflict and Islamic radicalism create threats to global security.
Make up your mind. Do you want cite rants at political correctness concerning Africa or do you want to alleviate the conditions that permit someone like Bin Laden to buy loyalty in Sudan and Afghanistan? Cause you can't do both.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 27, 2005 at 11:24 AM
I think the point here is that you are making contradictory arguments.
No, Bernard, the war and foreign aid are separate issues, so there's no contradiction.
But I don't see how pointing to the existence of corruption in, of all places, Nigeria excuses promising a lot of aid to Africa as a whole and then delivering next to none.
Hil, there is a long history of aid being misused and embezzled by kleptocrats, with little or nothing to show for results. Africa is as squalid as it ever was. If the underlying systems are not addressed, then it's just history repeating itself. Problem not solved. The way to fix it is too attach a whole bunch of strings and tie the money to performance. Sachs is woefully short on addressing that issue, playing cheerleader to an African version of the Great Society.
Posted by: Charles Bird | June 27, 2005 at 12:08 PM
Charles, I find it interesting that you chose not to quote the part of Hilzoy's comment that you evidently agreed with - since you repeated it yourself in slightly different words - there are other African countries that are doing their best to manage things well. Almost everyone, on all sides of this debate, agrees that any money that's sent should be sent to those countries that will actually use it well, and should be carefully monitored.
I also find it interesting that while Hilzoy sees this as a reason for action, you see it as an excuse for inaction - since you appear to support wholeheartedly Bush's inaction.
Posted by: Jesurgislac | June 27, 2005 at 12:31 PM
No, Bernard, the war and foreign aid are separate issues, so there's no contradiction.
Does the term Freudian ring a bell?
Sachs is woefully short on addressing that issue, playing cheerleader to an African version of the Great Society.
I fear that you have only read the Times excerpt (which is the first chapter) rather than the actual book.
Posted by: liberal japonicus | June 27, 2005 at 12:37 PM
What about Malawi, or Ghana?
Using Nigeria and Zimbabwe as blanket examples of "Africa" is like talking about the USA while only referencing DC, or Europe while only referencing Italy.
Posted by: McDuff | June 27, 2005 at 02:13 PM
Charles,
I just re-read the thread, but I'm confused by your last response to Bernard.
He said:
"I think the point here is that you are making contradictory arguments.
1. You praise Bush for his large commitment of funds to Africa.
2. When it is pointed out that little of this commitment has been met you argue that financial aid to Africa is largely wasted, so what difference does it make.
But if #2 is true then Bush's commitment is foolish, not praiseworthy. And if #2 is false then the failure to meet the commitment is dishonest."
and you responded:
"No, Bernard, the war and foreign aid are separate issues, so there's no contradiction."
... which seems to me like a total non sequitur. As far as I can see, Bernard wasn't saying anything about the war. He was responding to your 9:56 am comment stating "Bush has committed more aid for Africa than in any other administration in history, bob." (corresponding to his point #1) and to your multiple comments pointing out the folly in spending money in Africa which may be scooped up by corrupt kleptocrats (corresponding to his point #2). I don't see what either point has to do with the war.
As stated by Bernard, his two points do seem to a) be contradictory and b) reflect what you actually said. In response, you might argue that his points a) don't really reflect the nuance of what you said, or b) don't really reflect the nuance of what you meant to say, or c) aren't really contradictory. To argue such a point, you should probably use some sort of detailed explanation rather than making some sort of totally unrelated statement.
Or am I missing something?
Posted by: tonydismukes | June 27, 2005 at 02:40 PM
"Bush has committed more aid for Africa than in any other administration in history, bob."
Posted by: Charles Bird
Charles, that's beneath you. A politician's promises?
Posted by: Barry | June 27, 2005 at 02:43 PM
Oh, sure, our policies involve taking billions from working tax-payers and giving them to corrupt kleptocrats.
But that *should* lead to a better standard of living for even the poorest citizens, shouldn't it?
After all, that's exactly how "trickle-down" economics worked in Reagan's America, wasn't it?
Posted by: Tad Brennan | June 27, 2005 at 02:45 PM
Excuse me, I misread Bernard. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Charles Bird | June 27, 2005 at 09:24 PM
To answer Bernard's question, the plan for the $15 billion includes monitoring for results:
And so forth. Sachs is heavy on the Big Five but light on how the massive wealth transfer is going to be applied. The same principles apply to the Millenium Challenge Accounts.Posted by: Charles Bird | June 27, 2005 at 09:34 PM
Charles, that may all be true, but the plan for Iraq was rice, flowers, cakewalk, and on to the rest of the Middle East.
Posted by: Barry | June 27, 2005 at 10:25 PM
Charles Bird: The same principles apply to the Millenium Challenge Accounts.
The plan for the Millenium Challenge Accounts:
The reality of the Millennium Challenge Accounts:
The realit
Posted by: Jesurgislac | June 28, 2005 at 07:01 AM
Funny how Craig disappeared after being confronted by hilzoy. Somebody put out an Amber Alert, quick!
Posted by: napoleon dolemite | June 28, 2005 at 08:19 AM
Bob:But Bush is actually just claiming the credit for good intentions in Africa while spending the money elsewhere. The African people are not deceived.
Charles:Bush has committed more aid for Africa than in any other administration in history, bob.
Mark:Charles, could you please break that down for us into money promised, money obligated, and money spent?
Charles:Read the words I actually wrote, Mark.
I read this exchange as Charles acknowledging that his response to Bob was purposefully designed to not deal with Bob's complaint, but rather to shift the direction of the discourse. Bob's point was that Bush has said he is sending a great deal of aid and not doing it, Charles responded by noting that Bush has "committed" more aid than any other President (serious questions: is this inflation adjusted? is it comparing the amount of aid Bush has committed to the amount other President's have committed, or to the amount they actually gave?). When Mark noted that if Charles was just using the word "committed" to mean the same thing Bob did by "claiming" then Charles was not answering Bob's criticism at all, Charles appears to have agreed with this.
Posted by: washerdreyer | June 28, 2005 at 02:40 PM
Can Brooks, or anyone else who believes that Bush and co. have taken a realistic approach to Africa explain the abstinence-only and related provisions they require for certain types of financial aid? Is the reality they are perceiving here that abstinence prevents the sexual transmission of AIDS, or the one in which people have sex even if you tell them they shouldn't?
Posted by: Chris | June 28, 2005 at 02:48 PM