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June 28, 2005

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Some sober analysis here (pdf).

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:
Just to calibrate the von guy...
Don N.


George W. Bush, 6/5/99


“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable/

The Poor Man has more relevant quotes:

“[The] President…is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”
-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

And my favorite:

“This is President Clinton’s war, and when he falls flat on his face, that’s his problem.”
-Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN)

Never forget.

Felix,

George has spelled out our exit strategy numerous time. It's called "victory", and occurs when Iraq can stand on its own. Obviously this isn't an "unobtainable" goal, because every country over there, however badly run, seems to be able to keep domestic terrorist attacks in check.

Iraq had fought Iranian sponsored insurgents for years, and it's not that difficult a task for them.

It's called "victory", and occurs when Iraq can stand on its own.

and doesn't have an Islamic based government and is an ally to the US. Sadly, adding those conditions strikes me as unobtainable.

Iraq had fought Iranian sponsored insurgents for years, and it's not that difficult a task for them.

Unless you mean suppression of the Shi'a majority under Saddam, I'm not sure I know what you are referring to. Was there a campaign of suicide car bombing and IEDs against Saddam that I'm unaware of? Cite?

George has spelled out our exit strategy numerous time. It's called "victory"

Haha. Orwell is laughing in his grave. Have some gin.

Obviously this isn't an "unobtainable" goal, because every country over there, however badly run, seems to be able to keep domestic terrorist attacks in check

Completely unfamiliar with the history of Saudi Arabia, obviously, aren't you?

Iraq had fought Iranian sponsored insurgents for years, and it's not that difficult a task for them.

Saddam found it quite easy. And according to the formulation von gave in the other thread (and I'm still waiting on him to correct me if I misunderstood said formulation) rule by a Saddam type dictator would be a perfectly acceptable outcome to the war in Iraq. Which makes me wonder why thousands of US soldiers needed to die in order to install a dictator capable of keeping order when Iraq had one in the first place, but hey, that part never gets explained, does it, kid? Got an answer for me?

If instead your argument is that a democratic government that respects individual rights will find it just as easy to fight Iranian sponsored insurgents as Saddam did, well, you're just being silly. Again.

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