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May 13, 2005

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*Jumps up and down excitedly*
As a third world survivor, I am whole-heartedly in favor!

I don't understand the rationale for a 6 year H-5b visa for illegal immigrants already here and a 3 year H-5a for new legal immigrants.

Excellent post. Glad McCain is pushing bipartisan solutions at this time of stress in the Senate (and after his annoying meddling in baseball.)

Maybe this will earn him some forgiveness for McCain-Feingold, from both sides.

Oh, and I'm guessing that Minimum Wage law will apply, along with tax withholding?

thank goodness some adults are weighing in on this one. Too bad RealID went in first, though.

Slartibartfast: from the summary above

Ensures that employers hiring temporary workers abide by Federal, state and local labor, employment and tax laws

I haven't found a source for the text. It doesn't appear on Thomas.gov yet.

This strikes me as a usable transition to a permanent reform in immigration. Our experience has been that we can accept roughly a million more people a year than we have been allowing into the country. Eventually, I would like to see all H-x visas abolished. We should include all immigrants within a cap of roughly 1% per annum of total population, though 3 million a year may seem a bit high at the moment.

The real reform, which I strongly applaud, comes in creating a method that actually requires employers in America to hire only those who have the right to work in America and makes it possible to do so.

It's like the "war on drugs": if you don't hit at the demand, you're doomed, because the supply is unstoppable. Inasmuch as this bill attempts to do so, it's a good thing. Like any good thing, it has little hope in this Congress; though Bush, who made immigration-reform noises a while back, would be hailed as a political master if he got on board & flummoxed the Malkins of the world.

I have a feeling a lot of these illegal immigrants are going to have a really hard time finding 2000 dollars to pay the fine. Beyond that, though, this looks eminently reasonable. Much cheaper and more efficient than trying to plug a border that is just too long.

I have a feeling a lot of these illegal immigrants are going to have a really hard time finding 2000 dollars to pay the fine.

Many pay as much (or nearly as much) to coyotes who smuggle them across the border -- and then the money is used to finance a web of Mexican, U.S., and Central American gangs.

Great...fine the coyotes, too. If you can.

Please do. Double if they keep hassling the chickens.

Federal minimum wage has been stuck at $5.15 an hour for eight years. Wages for many people -- especially on the lower end of the scale -- haven't been keeping up with inflation.

Can it be wise to cement into place a de facto economic system that encourages low-skilled immigrants to come here and employers to look outside the country for workers?

While I agree the current situation is a mess, anything that seems to encourage more low-skilled people to come here seems counterproductive. The cost of housing is already soaring, increasing 2-3-4+ times the rate of inflation in many places. The US Census bureau predicts our population will increase from about 295 million today to 400 million in 2050. Frankly I don't know how we're going to educate, house and employ all those extra people -- 105 million of them! Why on earth should we look to add still more people to a rapidly growing population?


P.S. How much of a revolving door do you think the guest workers program will be? Who will go back, especially since their children born here will be U.S. citizens?

Anderson,

Good point on the demand aspect of immigration. It always seems odd to me in relationships like this one that the effect (illegals) and not the cause (need for cheap labor) gets the most attention. Also, the power factor is invariably missed. Who is in a more powerful, influential position with regard to immigration, an illegal from Mexico or American agribusiness?

JerseyCityJoan,

Encouraging more low-skilled people to come to the US would seem counterproductive if the main issues were the ones you suggest: jobs, education, housing. Unfortunately, increasing low skill immigration is beneficial to some US business interests. There is a reason for the many US-owned maquiladoras that have sprouted up on the Mexican side of the border since the passage of NAFTA. And what would food prices here look like without a cheap supply of migrant farm labor and federal agriculture subsidy? It is revealing that there is so much talk currently about the supposed economic drain on our health care system by illegals but not a word about the money we make from their labor. Illegals get spun as if they were welfare lie-abouts with the financial arrow only pointing from our pockets to theirs. The real kicker is that corporate interest (getting the most from labor while paying the least for it) has been sold to average Americans by whipping up terrorist fears, racial hatred, and job insecurities (have you seen the vigilante groups like Ranch Rescue and The Minutemen?). I suspect that if corporations were actually on the side of the bulk of Americans they would not be moving factories overseas or sheltering an estimated $250 billion worth of annual tax revenue in assests offshore (1998 Merrill Lynch/Cap Gemini's "World Wealth Report").

i really like how they are doing background checks on immigrates

The children from the illegal aliens will be US Ciizens, but so what? if the illegals stay in the US illegally they can still get married and have children and the children will still be US citizens. There is no difference. The likely hood that an illegal alien will go back to their home country, whom has been in this country for more than 10 years is .001%.
So why keep them opressed? Why not legalize their status. They will stay in this country and they will just increase poverty because they are currently being exploited.

In addition, many of these illegal aliens have married US Citizens and have had children. There is currently no law that can legalize the status for those that have married US Citizens.
It is also unfair to our US Citizens to have spouses who are illegal and live in fear of being deported.

The worlds population is growing in over all, not just the US. The US already has the issue of having illegals, legalizing the status of the illegals will take care of an internal problem, which is completely seperate from increasing security in the border.

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