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October 25, 2004

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"We must communicate the rather complicated idea to the Arab world that we don't trust Arafat, but we do wish the average Palestinians well. Not just that we wish them no harm, but we want to work toward a place where we support them and count them among our allies. We must communicate that our goal here, however, will never lead us to not support Israel. Those Arabs who want to eliminate Israel will remain our enemies. Those who want to co-exist peacefully will gain our friendship, and all the advantages that carries. The "advantages that carries" however is totally dependent on our being crystal clear that we are not at war with Islam."

This would be an excellent message to have received, but it has already been sent and it has not been accepted. All through the Carter years, through many of the Bush I years and throughout the entire Clinton presidency, we tried to send the message that we wanted to have both have fair treatment of the Palestinians and continue to support the existance of Israel.

That is seen supporting Israel too much.

It is seen as such because much of the Arab world would like to see Israel destroyed and the Jews scattered. The moderate position is that Israel should be destroyed eventually. That isn't negotiable. The message you want us to send is not acceptable to the parties you wish to have receive it.

I recognize the truth in what you're saying Sebastian, but not it's conclusion. Are you arguing that because Arabs so far have not welcomed the message that we should change messages?

And what about Friedman's charge that Bush is "embracing Ariel Sharon so tightly that it's impossible to know anymore where U.S. policy stops and Mr. Sharon's begins."?

Clearly we can magnify some part of either Sharon's plan or where we disagree with it that shows the respect for Palestinians we wish to be our first and foremost message, no?

"Are you arguing that because Arabs so far have not welcomed the message that we should change messages?"

I'm suggesting that while making plans for how to conduct our diplomacy in the Middle East, we shouldn't count on that message being received. A plan that starts, "first we convince them that we want a fair settlement for the Palestinians AND a fair settlement for Israel" isn't a good plan because the two are contradictory ideas in the Middle East. In much of the Arab world, the only fair settlement involves Jews leaving Israel forever--by boat or box. It is not quite as bad, but in the same league as a plan that begins "First we invent anti-gravity".

"And what about Friedman's charge that Bush is "embracing Ariel Sharon so tightly that it's impossible to know anymore where U.S. policy stops and Mr. Sharon's begins."?"

I find this utterly unconvincing as a reason for Arab anger because the exact same anger was cherished by them throughout the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s--when Sharon was not in power.

Sebastian, do you believe that Israel is justified in taking Palestinian land?

I believe that Israel was justified in taking territory from Jordan and Egypt when the two countries were massing troops to attack them, and I know that the land in your question is the same land.

I know that the Arab desire for the destruction of Israel predates the Palestinian conflict because the very same war where Egypt and Jordan decided to try to destroy Israel predates the Palestinian conflict.

Which is presicely why I find it hard to believe that the desire to exterminate Israel is due to the Palestinian conflict.

The US has never succeeded in being non-partisan in the Israel/Palestine conflict. It has seldom, however, been as publicly anti-Palestinian as George W. Bush has successfully made it appear.

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