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November 21, 2003

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Moe said bitch!
But Katherine is up at an ungodly hour writing letters to undecided voters in Iowa, and needs a life!

I would note: don't let the police state/creeping fascism/Bush-is-Hitler crowd blind you to the fact that there are some real abuses going on. Not unprecedented, it's been much worse several times in this country in this century. But bad enough. (I'm especially talking about immigration stuff.)

Moe said bitch!
But Katherine is up at an ungodly hour writing letters to undecided voters in Iowa, and needs a life!

I would note: don't let the police state/creeping fascism/Bush-is-Hitler crowd blind you to the fact that there are some real abuses going on. Not unprecedented, it's been much worse several times in this country in this century. But bad enough. (I'm especially talking about immigration stuff.)

I didn't expect minions from this blogging gig but I did hope to be able to delete my double posts so as not to look dumb. oh well.

Point of post just plain obscured by coolness of Red Dwarf reference, unfortunately.

"All of this is bad sociology? That would imply that good sociology exists, bucko."
Rats, you anticipated my objection!
And I think Katherine meant last century (ie the 20th)...

I pleased you feel sympathetic to those who believed in the power of Ghost Shirts, but you might want to reflect on the fact that the whole religion was a recasting of the message of the Gospel brought to the Native Americans by missionaries, just leaving out the white men, thus counting as an early American example of blowback. All resemblances to supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan are purely coincidental, I'm sure. Irony really is a bitch...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, puppets. I feel much better now. Thanks Moe! Although your reference to the Ghost Shirts and Wounded Knee made me think of Sitting Bull, which the begged the question, would Custer and his men have survived the Little Bighorn had they just brought along the Crazy Horse, Red Cloud, Rain in the Face and Sitting Bull Puppets? (Who needs Gatling's Gun when you have puppets?)

I think Katherine meant last century (ie the 20th)...

yep. I could say I just meant "within the last 100 years" but the real reason was, it was late.

your intervention won't work for me, Moe.
me: "go in the back."
them: "no."
me: please?

the technique advance people use is strategic placement of other banners (I almost got blown over on a windy day trying to get in front of a "free Leonard Peltier banner" with a "Mass for Dean" sign), but the police don't let you bring in signs carried on big wooden or plastic poles; it usually has to be cardboard tubes.

so maybe the solution is to convince them to explore other media....the neglected art of miniature, or a protest dioarama-rama.

Do I get a prize of some kind for reading this twaddle? How about a puppet?

Oh, and on a more serious note, ahh, hell, none of this is all that serious, but...

The Theater Contingent is in fact a fairly honorable part of the protest movement. Any protest movement. If only becuz it adds a little variety and god forbid humor into the usual dogmatic gloom. I'll take a puppet over a angry rant any day of the week. Or a guy in a chicken suit following a candidate from town to town. Tho' I'd prefer that we try to levitate the Pentagon again. Now that's theater!

Large crowds of people chanting scare me. I don't care what they are chanting ("We love angua, we love angua!!!"); to me, it's always Triumph of the Will all over again.

Seriously, Harley, I appreciate the humour element as an addendum to the serious policy discussion. But these are usually offered by different groups.

"Moe said bitch!"

And I worried about it afterwards, to be sure. I also worry about immigration policy myself, but that's a whole different thread there.

As to your intervention problem, have you tried substituing "That wasn't a request." for "please?"

Katherine...

Speaking of protest theatre -- whether one agrees with it or not, pulling down a statue of Bush during the London protests was brilliant and a good example.

A lot of activism is less about the cause and more about the community-building aspects, just as a lot of sports fandom is less about watching the game and more about being on the inside of a fan community. The people with the puppets are just the equivalent of those sports fans who paint themselves in their team colors. Plus making a puppet is a more fun activity than preparing rants.

If you think that the lack of concentration camps and mass graves proves the US government isn't fascist, you've fallen right into their trap, Moe. It's all a sneaky trick. Fascism has gotten a lot more sophisticated in the last 50 years. Why, if Bush went around doing fascist things, everybody would realize the extreme left was correct, and there might be a revolution. If you don't oppress anyone, nobody will realize you're an oppressor.

"If you don't oppress anyone, nobody will realize you're an oppressor."

Funny, that. Although I'm not quite convinced that you were being absolutely serious.

Interesting blog, btw.

Fascism has gotten a lot more sophisticated in the last 50 years. Why, if Bush went around doing fascist things, everybody would realize the extreme left was correct, and there might be a revolution.

I get it. So Bush doesn't even have to commit any fascist acts to be qualified as facist...how brilliant. Those fascists sure have become quite sophisticated. Of course, when you define fascism as, "Anything with which I happen to disagree," it's becomes easy to spot them.

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