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September 10, 2018

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without costing him a seat on the Supreme Court

he would have to settle for a lifetime job making $220K as a federal circuit court judge.

Well obviously $220K per year hasn't been enough to stay out of debt for the last decade. Until a few months, and the magic clearing of those debts. So he needs the additional $30K. Not to mention he will doubtless make a lot more in speaking fees....

If we had a way for him to express that regret without costing him a seat on the Supreme Court we could use it as a way to reinforce how bad that behavior i

He rather missed that chance when denying it under oath.
I see his has doubled down on his categoric denial.

I don't know about this under oath stuff, from whast I've read this was not a topic of any hearing public or private. It was released after the hearings ended.

Not that I suspect he would have not denied it under any circumstance,because that certainly wasnt the opportunity.

You are right on that point, Marty.
My mistake.

No doubt he will get the opportunity now.

If we had a way for him to express that regret without costing him a seat on the Supreme Court we could use it as a way to reinforce how bad that behavior is.

Just a reminder that we're talking about a guy who made his political bones by badgering a sitting POTUS about a consensual affair.

It might also be good if there was a way for women to speak candidly about these things without expecting that they will be on the receiving end of a mountain of abuse.

It also strikes me, if we want to reinforce the idea that that kind of entitled drunken behavior is unacceptable, actual consequences - for instance, not being rewarded with a seat on the SCOTUS - is probably the more effective way of doing that.

If all of this mess results in Kavanaugh not being approved, I'm not sure it's accurate to say it "cost him" a seat on the SCOTUS. It's not his to gain or lose. It's a position of great influence and great responsibility, whatever the outcome he should consider himself lucky to have been considered.

The nation doesn't owe Kavanaugh anything.

We can say that Ford's accusations "cost him" if they result in Kavanaugh getting booted off the Federal bench. Which seems unlikely at this point, but not entirely beyond the bounds of possibility.

"Just a reminder that we're talking about a guy who made his political bones by badgering a sitting POTUS about a consensual affair."

This is a false equivalence by a lot.

He badgered a sitting President about taking advantage of his position to screw an intern in the Oval Office. Not a 17 year old kid with hormones and a sense of entitlement.

And no, I suspect you might have done one or two things before your prefrontal cortex was fully formed you wouldn't want to be penalized for today.

The nation doesn't owe Kavanaugh anything.

Yes we do, a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence. Like every other American.

Yes we do, a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence. Like every other American.

It's not a criminal trial. He's not looking at jail time. Every other citizen is not owed a seat on the SCOTUS.

The nation doesn't owe Kavanaugh anything.
Yes we do, a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence. Like every other American.

So you're saying that yes, the Judiciary Committee should wait until they have had a chance to question Ms Ford? (And, presumably, given Judge Kavanaugh a chance to respond under oath to the accusations.)

This is a false equivalence by a lot.

Not claiming equivalence, just pointing out the irony of Kavanaugh running afoul of a claim of sexual bad behavior.

Karma. It's a thing.

I suspect you might have done one or two things before your prefrontal cortex was fully formed you wouldn't want to be penalized for today.

(a) I'm not a candidate for the SCOTUS
(b) Even at my stupidest I never assaulted anyone
(c) Were someone to call me out on my youthful and even not-so-youthful idiocies, I imagine and hope that I would take my lumps like a big boy.

Yes we do, a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence

This is not a criminal action. He is not accused of a crime, he is a nominee for the SCOTUS.

As a nominee to the SCOTUS, Kavanaugh is owed a hearing before the Senate Judiciary committee. Not even that, really; per McConnell rules, even the hearing is optional, at the discretion of the Senate.

Best possible outcome IMO: Flake bails on him, he doesn't get out of committee, Trump sends up another Federalist justice who doesn't have Kavanaugh's baggage. The woods are full of Federalist worthies, Kavanaugh is not worth the candle.

Best possible outcome in my dreams: the whole thing gets stonewalled until after the midterms, and the (D)'s flip the Senate.

But I can live with the first option.

To return, briefly, to the original topic of the thread:

cleek, dr ngo, how you guys making out?

everybody else in the carolinas (or elsewhere) doing OK?

They wouldn't nominate a judge you wouldn't find something wrong with russell.

Let's not pretend.

They wouldn't nominate a judge you wouldn't find something wrong with russell.

Let's not pretend.

Perhaps that's because the GOP sucks.

yep, so do the Jets and the Eagles, but this isn't a sporting competition.

"Yes, we do, a fair hearing and the presumption of innocence. Like every other American."

Cripes, the soaring, lofty, unselfaware nonsense.

Merrick Garland probably regrets not engaging in some drunken diddling given that being a good boy no longer has any upside that he might be treated like every other fucking American.

I want Kavanaugh's fully formed prefrontal cortex as far away from government as possible.

I was against the sniffing around Clinton sexual peccadillos expressly to avoid this ongoing blowback destroying our politics.

Destroy away. Blow it up. Kill American politics once and for all .

republicans made this world and they will suck on it and die.

I think you've made someone else's point rather than yours. If only the stakes were as low as a sporting event, and the suckiness of the GOP wasn't as big of a problem.

They wouldn't nominate a judge you wouldn't find something wrong with russell.

It's always so refreshing to have my mind read for me.

I've stated more than once in this thread and elsewhere that I could live with, for example, Kethledge. I pick Kethledge because he was on Trump's short list, and I have some small knowledge of his resume and personal history.

I would not *like* Kethledge on the SCOTUS, because we don't share a common point of view on some important things. But I would see no good objection that could be made to his nomination, and I would accept it as the result of having a (R) POTUS.

My assumption, given what I know about Kethledge, is that his opinions would reflect his outlook, but would not be explicitly partisan. Which is what I expect from a SCOTUS justice.

There are, almost certainly, a dozen justices out there in the Federalist pipeline about whom I would have the same opinion.

Best possible outcome IMO: Flake bails on him, he doesn't get out of committee, Trump sends up another Federalist justice who doesn't have Kavanaugh's baggage.

Um, no. Apparently the White House sees the accusation as reason to double down:

If anything, it’s the opposite. If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.
Which is right in line with Trump's recommended approach of "Deny, deny, deny" and "never back down because it will make you look weak."

It might be the smart thing to do, to withdraw the nomination and try with someone with less baggage. But this administration doesn't incline to things like that.

Let the delousing begin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1041516195999088640

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/09/everything-old-eww

Sorry for kicking off the Kavanaugh discussion here (by accident).
In my defence, I did try to move it back to the dedicated thread, q.v.

Thanks russell, I stand corrected. We will get to see.

Let's not pretend that:

1) He, Trump nominated Kavanaugh because He found him open-minded on Roe

2) Kamala Harris and Corey Booker are "ambitious" and Kavanaugh isn't

3) Kissing his padrone's ass on TV shows "judicial temperament"

4) "Reasonable Republicans" will do anything but bow down before He, Trump

5) The Federalist Society is anything but plutocracy's farm team

--TP

cleek, dr ngo, how you guys making out?

no serious issues to speak of. we got a LOT of rain - 2" between 6 and 7AM today, as the last of Flo finally pulled away. a couple of medium branches down in the yard. but mostly it was just a miserable rainy weekend, where i live.

well, not entirely miserable. it was also my wedding anniversary. and being trapped home with my wife, the cats, and the plentiful booze we stocked up on was pretty nice.

Thanks russell, I stand corrected.

All good.

The Federalist Society is anything but plutocracy's farm team

I do not disagree.

Um, no.

I was merely proposing "best outcome", not "most likely".

:(

no serious issues to speak of.

outstanding

it was also my wedding anniversary.

mazel tov!!

I thought the Federalist Society was the plutocracies first string.

Everyone else just takes instruction.

"For the United States, the trend of all land-falling hurricanes has been falling since 1900, as has that of major hurricanes. In the 51 years from 1915, Florida and the Atlantic coast were hit by 19 major hurricanes. In the 51 years to 2016, just seven. In the last 11 years, only two hurricanes greater than category 3 hit the continental USA — a record low since 1900. From 1915 to 1926, 12 hit."
No, global warming isn’t causing worse hurricanes

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