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April 11, 2018

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fwiw, were i strongly disinclined to vote for clinton on policy grounds, i would likely have voted for mcmullin.

there have been situations where i thought the available (D) was not really an appropriate choice, and i've pulled the lever for the (R).

i'm not talking about party, i'm talking about ugly.

Republican voters also handed Trump the nomination

yep

You sit over there and whine while us Republicans secure our freedom, fix the economy, make the world a safer place and create sustainable prosperity for your kids and grandkids.

it goes without saying, i assume, that these are your opinions.

it goes without saying, i assume, that these are your opinions delusions

But 4 more years of aggressively destroying every principle this country was built on: rule of law, personal responsibility, free markets, free people, was not an acceptable alternative.

But that is what they and we got because they voted for Trump and no there really is no fact based or rational argument that Clinton would have performed as badly or as detrimentally. NOt even close.

I do not like it at all when people generalize about the R base voters and call them racists or stupid. That is not fair or accurate. R base voters are prejudiced against EVERYONE outside their base and their disinformation bubble because of an over developed sense of entitlement which has metastasized into hyperpartisanship.

The basic message of the R party and its propaganda machine is the message its voters want to hear: that they are the only good Americans and everyone else is a threat to them, the only holders of good American values. It is a nostalgia for the good old days when people like them were the standard generic American and everyone else was a hyphenated American or not a real American at all. The basis of the R voting bloc is a sense of entitlement==Republican voters are entitled to government services and entitled to get their way and entitled to feel like they are the real true Americans. OUt of that sense of entitlement , they view everyone else as not as worthy as they are, Thus, the addiction to defamation, which is the mainstay of Republican discourse.

Obama was a Muslim born in Kenya.
Clinton Crime family
People in cities are the elitists
Bums on welfare
Gay people as a threat to family values
Trans people are lurking in the bathrooms!
Illegal immigrants are the cause of violent crime are raping women in numbers no one has ever seen before, are voting in California, and are getting welfare!
Muslims are taking over Dearborn!
Clinton should be locked up for something and the FBI knows what she should be locked up for and is keeping it secret!
The FISA warrent isn't valid because Mueller is a Democrat and is running a witch hunt
Immigrants are bring ebola into the US!
Immigrants are stealing jobs!
Democrats cause budget deficits!
And so on.

Always those bad people over there are a threat to us, the real true and only good Americans. The innate virtuousness of Repubicans and the innate badness of everyone else is the fundamental core belief of contemporary conservatism. Perhaps hte only core belief

There really is no conservative philosophy. The pattern with R politicians is that they run for office on hate and fearmongering directed toward individuals or groups and the pattern with R voters is that they vote for the hate and fearmongering The pattern is also that they make exceptions for people they know personally. Its those other black people who are lazy, not their neighbor, those other Mexicans who are rapists, not their employee, and so on.

So no I dont think that it is fair or accurate to call R voters racists or idiots. I think it is fair and accurate to say they need to get over themselves.

Of course its my opinion. And in some ways not very strongly held. But some of those policies I truly believe have significantly moved us to a more sustainable economic path.

If you only look at the ugly you miss most of the people who voted for him, all of us who didnt.


Marty: ... every principle this country was built on: rule of law, personal responsibility, free markets, free people ...

Rule of Law: "Lock Her Up!"; fire Comey; pardon Arpaio; threaten Rosenstein.

Personal Responsibility: pay hush money to porn star; hide your tax returns; "alternate facts".

Free Markets: tariffs; promote coal; denounce Amazon.

Free People: reporters have too much freedom, white supremacists not enough.

Self-dealing, hiring "the best people" who turn out to be either incompetents or crooks, kissing Putin's ass at every opportunity -- these too must be principles the US was built on.

Glad to know what MAGA means, finally.

--TP


Here's some free enterprise:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/19/world/asia/elliott-broidy-trump-malaysia-china-guo.html


BTW does refusing to sanction a dictator who murders reporters count as keeping people free?

some of those policies I truly believe have significantly moved us to a more sustainable economic path...

I'm curious to know what those might be ?

And he just appointed this genius as his economic advisor...
https://www.nationalreview.com/2007/12/bush-boom-continues-larry-kudlow/

Exploding the deficit during a growth period is sustainable? Trade wars are sustainable?

Well, to be fair, if your plan is to reduce wages to Chinese levels, they'll be no need to import manufactured goods from China.

every principle this country was built on: rule of law, personal responsibility, free markets, free people ...

yes. your party has abandoned all of them in service of a con man.

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