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October 08, 2017

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Perhaps Trump's core problem, whether dealing with Congress or with foreign nations, is that he doesn't understand what "bully pulpit" means. So he just goes with the "bully" part.

A piece from yesterday's Guardian about the gun rights debate. This was interesting, for anybody who didn't know about this experiment (I think I did, but had forgotten the details), link to the full piece, containing more interesting stuff, follows:

In early 2013, a few months after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school, a Yale psychologist created an experiment to test how political bias affects our reasoning skills. Dan Kahan was attempting to understand why public debates over social problems remain deadlocked, even when good scientific evidence is available. He decided to test a question about gun control.

Kahan gave study participants – all American adults – a basic mathematics test, then asked them to solve a short but tricky problem about whether a medicinal skin cream was effective or ineffective. The problem was just hard enough that most people jumped to the wrong answer. People with stronger math skills, unsurprisingly, were more likely to get the answer right.

Then Kahan ran the same test again. This time, instead of evaluating skin cream trials, participants were asked to evaluate whether a law banning citizens from carrying concealed firearms in public made crime go up or down. The result: when liberals and conservatives were confronted with a set of results that contradicted their political assumptions, the smartest people were barely more likely to arrive at the correct answer than the people with no math skills at all. Political bias had erased the advantages of stronger reasoning skills.

The reason that measurable facts were sidelined in political debates was not that people have poor reasoning skills, Kahan concluded. Presented with a conflict between holding to their beliefs or finding the correct answer to a problem, people simply went with their tribe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/07/us-gun-control-debate-bias

I have (not before time you might say) been feeling very slightly sheepish about being quite so black and white about this, or at least about the practicalities.

So sorry, open thread or no open thread I thought I was posting the above in the Confession thread.

GftNC,
See also this on the same topic:
http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article177286281.html

Facts no longer seem to matter.

Yes. I thought it started with Karl Rove (apparently the "aide" in the following story) and the famous quote:

The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.

But maybe it started earlier, with the abolition of the Fairness Doctrine?

I got nothing -- or rather I've got too much. Been seeking for some sort of way forward amidst all of the smoke of Second Amendment posturing and Brady Bunch outrage and mostly coming to the conclusion that the US would be a much safer and more neighborly place without all the guns. It's too bad that the nihilists on the right have already committed themselves to the selfish and distrustful side of our particular firearm filled prisoners dilemma. Worse outcomes all around because trust is too hard.

So I've been avoiding conversations with the "It's not guns, it's godlessness" crowd on my social media and instead have been listening to music. The new Chelsea Wolfe album, good as it is, just served to remind me of how long it had been since I listened to Madder Mortem's Red of Tooth and Claw, which was one of my top albums for 2016. Not many albums come along that are as utterly distinctive and varied in sound and emotion or that so defy casual listening and easy classification (along the lines of recent Opeth or any of Mike Patton's projects). Madder Mortem deserves a much larger audience than it has so far found.

https://maddermortem.bandcamp.com/track/returning-to-the-end-of-the-world

I think we just have to resign ourselves to the fact that every thread will be about guns for at least the next length of time. Whether than is a week, a month, or a year, we'll have to see.

And I can't help it either. When I lived in a different place in Japan, there was a foreigner there whose family founded and still owned a very well known gun manufacturer (the one referenced in Johst's play Schlageter). I believe the husband was what Japanese refer to as tanshin funin, where the husband lives in a different place for work. Never had any significant interactions with her, but as I understood it, she had chosen Japan because it was safe and well-ordered. Great if you have the wherewithall to do that.

Cameron Robinson

I'll be a lot more impressed with Corker if he follows up with some action, like leading a Senate effort to rein in the Marmalade Mugabe.

But so far as I know, with the single exception of supporting the Iran deal, Corker has been a standard-issue reactionary conservative, whose desired legislative agenda is in line with Trump's.

Casey, I suspect that keeping Trump from launching disasters is going to be a matter of different mixes of a few Republican Senators, shifting depending on the issue. So don't scorn anybody who will vote No, even if only on one issue. Because, at least until January 2019, that's the best shot you've got.

P.S. Also, anybody who votes against Trump once is likely to get blasted enough to repeat on other votes. Trump isn't the only one who can hold grudges.

This from a former front pagers FB

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/corker-trump/542385/?utm_source=fbb

I wonder if the stock market, having factored in all information, will finish on a new all-time high on the day rump incinerates all of us in the world.

I mean, all possible sellers will be dead, which should place a good cushion of technical support near underneath.

I think euphoria over tax cuts could carry us higher, the dead, well into nuclear winter and beyond.

the man makes a mockery of the office he holds, every political institution we value, and of the nation in general.

and almost half the people who bothered to show up to vote, voted for him. and, amazing as it is to consider, he is far from the most ridiculous person holding national public office.

we are not at a high point in our nation's history. we have a few laurels left to rest on, but we're burning them up at a pretty amazing rate.

people think the extremely privileged position that this country and its people hold is a given. it just, somehow, belongs to us by birthright, because we happen to have been born in a particular place and time.

it ain't like that.

there is, i think, a reservoir of respect and admiration for this country around the world. to the degree that that is so, it is a legacy of our history as an actor on the world stage.

if you act like an asshole, you'll be considered an asshole. folks may give you some leeway for a while, out of respect for the less-asshole-ish person you might once have been. but at some point, they're just going to hand you your hat and coat and direct you to the door.

trump is an ass, and he is making the nation an ass in the eyes of the world. that will not be without consequences, for all of us, and not just here in this country.

in general, i don't think the folks who voted for him give a shit about any of that. i don't know what, exactly, they do give a shit about, but it ain't that.

more is the pity.

buttery males.

Took me a minute or two....

More than 9 months in, and it's still surreal to me that this repulsive conman, well known as such for decades, is the President of the United States of America.

Well hsh, I just got a lecture yesterday about how he was the smartest President with the best policies we've ever had, if he would just not tweet.

So it isn't surprising to me.

I have visited an adult day center several times, with band kids providing entertainment. Everyone there was very polite and appreciative, nobody was insulting other people or calling them names, no lying or other misbehavior I could perceive. Corker's comparison of the Trump whitehouse to an adult day center in grossly unfair to adult centers.

I posted this to the wrong thread:


"Mr. Trump considered [Bob] Corker as a candidate for secretary of state after last year’s election but was said to have told associates that the 5-foot-7 senator was too short."

In my years playing competitive ball with and against tough guys of all sizes, you never want to start a fight with the littlest tough guy.

Low centers of gravity. And usually fast. They get inside real quick.

"Well hsh, I just got a lecture yesterday about how he was the smartest President with the best policies we've ever had, if he would just not tweet."

That's exactly, in those precise words, what my rump acquaintances, all three of them, have said to me.

When I say that I can live with the tweeting, it's the fact that he still breathes that rankles me, they put their red hats on and stalk off.

I think that maybe we need to face the sad reality that Trump supporters like Trump not because they have illusions about him but because they think the bullying and belligerence and jingoim and hatefulness is good. They LIKE hatefulness. They like bullies. They like asshole behavior. They ahve real illusions about his policies but they can see him as clearly as we can--but they LIKE what they see.

At least thats the impression I get from the Trump supporters I know. They like stupid. They like mean. They like smug entitled hatefulness. They dont like the twittiering because it exposes Trump a little too much and thus exposes them to embarrassment, but basically they like Trump. Hes their kind of guy.

I don't really know why people who support Trump do so. Other than some family members, I don't really know anyone who I know is a Trump supporter. I'm sure I know some, I just don't talk to people about politics if I either don't know where they are coming from, or if I think it's going to be an argument.

So I'm not an authority on why people support Trump.

All of that said, I have two general impressions of folks who support Trump.

The first is that they don't seem to feel any stake in national government. They either feel alienated from it, unrepresented by it, or else they think it's kind of irrelevant to their lives.

The second impression is that they don't have a concrete sense of what is at stake - more specifically, what is at risk - in putting somebody like Trump in that office.

The whole thing mostly feels like a bad joke to me. I keep up with news, basically, and participate in things that are important to me, but I don't read the tweets, don't listen to the speeches, don't pay much attention to the intra-white-house knife fights.

Basically, I just ignore Trump. He presents great risks to the nation and the world, but personally he's kind of a boring guy. He has nothing of value or interest to say or contribute as far as I can tell. He doesn't know much about anything beyond himself and his little personal bubble. Everyone mostly just seems to be working around him, which is probably the best possible approach.

He's an ignorant, incurious, loudmouth ass. Our form of government doesn't afford many ways to kick him out, so we have to put up with him for now.

May "for now" be as brief as possible.

Corker's comparison of the Trump whitehouse to an adult day center in grossly unfair to adult centers.

Seconded. On the other hand, it's a plus that he meant to say that Trump is incompetent. Corker is his own kind of jerk, but whatever works.

For something more fun, my wife, some friends and I attended The Witches Ball in Mount Holly, NJ this past Saturday. We’ll see how the facebook embed feature works here with the photo of our crew below.

Wow. I fncked that up.

Or maybe not. The link for the Witches Ball doesn’t seem to be working right in preview even though I verified that the HTML was right. Let’s just go with the photo by itself.

Forget it.

Where y'all?

Fixed the link, at least. No clue, however, about how to deal with the Facebook stuff.

In early 2013, a few months after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook elementary school, a Yale psychologist created an experiment to test how political bias affects our reasoning skills.

depressing ain't it?

i forget who here turned me on to this book (Slarti?) but Thinking Fast And Slow will pretty much destroy any illusion you might have that people are capable of rational thought.

Thanks, wj. I’m wondering if the facebook code is strictly for post and/or webpages and not comments. I’m not much of an HTML expert, as you may have guessed.

sapient, we didn’t make it into any of the photos on the site that I know of. There were thousands of people there. We did have a couple official-looking photographers stop us, and a bunch of other attendees, to take our picture, but I’m sure they took hundreds of photos, most of which didn’t get used.

This is interesting:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/10/the_insular_cases_the_racist_supreme_court_decisions_that_cemented_puerto.html

I'd not heard of the Insular Cases, let alone that the Obama administration faced to unfold them. And nearly half of the US is unaware that Puerto Ricans have citizenship.

It's sometimes easy to forget that the US was every bit as imperialist as us Brits.

I think we're quite capable of rational thought, fka - it's just that there are severe constraints on our cognition.

It's sometimes easy to forget that the US was every bit as imperialist as us Brits.

I would dispute the "every bit" part. But, yeah, we had our islands,

i forget who here turned me on to this book (Slarti?) but Thinking Fast And Slow will pretty much destroy any illusion you might have that people are capable of rational thought.

Awesome book, should be required reading for all economists, pundits, and politicians.

my wife, some friends and I attended The Witches Ball in Mount Holly, NJ

dude, ya gotta come to salem

Peter Watts' SF novel Blindsight and the appendix about neurobiology will do a pretty good number on rationality, too.

Meanwhile, Iceland qualifies for the World Cup.

HÚ!

I doubt Corker, even for a little republican asshole, is Sinatra material:

https://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/sinatra-knew-how-to-deal-with-trump.html

Democrats could take a page from Sinatra too on how to deal with scum-sucking dumbass republican filth.

Open Thread! LGM is doing 5 movies that describe yourself, so, well maybe just favorites with variety

Out of the Past
Barry Lyndon
Your Name, End of Evangelion - animeI
think Ozu Early Summer over Tokyo Story

2nd Five ArthouseI

L'Eclisse
The Passion of Anna
Weekend
A City of Sadness
The Human Condition (9 hours but one story...best social work of 20th C worth every minute)


Barry Lyndon. I love that film, but I'm a sucker for Kubrick.

I would dispute the "every bit" part. But, yeah, we had our islands,..

And what about your mainland... ?

With the fires ravaging northern California, we get this bit of news. Something I had missed, among all the other stupidities in the budget:

the Trump administration has called for a $300 million cut from the Forest Service’s firefighting budget and a $50 million cut to its wildfire prevention budget for 2018. Amazingly, the federal budget for volunteer fire departments also faces a 23 percent cut.
No doubt we are suffering from most Western areas which are subject to fires not having any Trump properties which need protecting.

Did I mention that the 8.5 million acres burned so far this year are nearly double that burned in the first 9 months of 2016? Most of them populated by Trump voters, not that he probably knows.

Open Thread! LGM is doing 5 movies that describe yourself, so, well maybe just favorites with variety

I'm not in the mood for politics, so why not?

Saturday Night and Sunday Morning
The Jerk
A Clockwork Orange
Sleeper
12 Monkeys

As with Puerto Rico, California should ask for firefighting foreign aid from Russia and China.

I would also shackle republican right wingers to trees throughout western forests as a fire and arson prevention measure.

I'm pretty sure Donald Rump Junior is just now setting up a shooting blind just ahead of the California fires to take out any wildlife fleeing the area.

As with the fires in Yellowstone and across the West in 1988 during the political season, local law enforcement, unless they are compromised by the fuckwad and murderous sovereign sheriff's movement, should be on the lookout for radical republican operatives, not to be confused with conservative conservationists, setting fires, on federal lands especially.

Movies that represent me in some way? I'm at a loss, probably because I dont watch movies much. But for favorite shows:

Better Call Saul
Dead Like Me
The Riches
Parks and Recreation
Ozarks


Setting fire ot western land to get jobs as firefighters is a real thing.Or it used to be before the fires got so extreme

"I would also shackle republican right wingers to trees throughout western forests as a fire and arson prevention measure."

NO WAY! That will interfere with tying them barely above water level on seashores, as a global-warming-rising-sea-level measure.

The difference is? ONE of them, it would be good to piss on them.

An IQ contest ???

Forget the adult; it's just daycare. Makes me wonder why you bother with an age qualification for running for the presidency; plenty of twelve year olds are more mature.

Movies that represent me:

The Last Waltz
A Clockwork Orange
2001 A space Odyssey
The Princess Bride
Independence Day
The Blues Brothers
Blade Runner
White Christmas

Only five movies ? That's really tough.

I think one might have to be Spirited Away, though.

Loved Dead Like Me. Ellen Muth, who is a 1%er IQ wise, was spot on.

Marty, since you have The Last Waltz on your list, have you ever seen Festival Express? If you can ever by chance catch it in a repertory cinema, do it. Otherwise, watch it a home.

(All if you haven't already, that is.)

hsh, because I adored The Last Waltz, I eagerly looked up Festival Express (of which I'd never heard). It sounds great - I'll have to chase it down. I was never a Deadhead, but I did go to one or two gigs, and listen occasionally to Working Man's Dead and American Beauty to this day...

speaking of CA fires... these pix of Disneyland today are pretty spectacular.

http://5newsonline.com/2017/10/09/disneyland-takes-on-eerie-orange-glow-amid-southern-california-wildfire/

I left out Almost Famous.

Festival Express great, I will watch it tonight.

...I eagerly looked up Festival Express (of which I'd never heard). It sounds great - I'll have to chase it down.

Some of the best footage is on the train. All these musicians get wasted out of their gourds (on what, sometimes they don't even know) and start spontaneously jamming together, not to mention just being silly as all hell. It's fabulous to feel like you're along for the ride with them in another (possibly preferable) era.

And what about your mainland... ?

LOL!!! toosh-say!

i'm finding the new Amazon series about the Dead to be fascinating, even though i'm only a casual fan, at most. i've always dug that early 70s hippie vibe - it's what i grew up in.

movies... i dunno. i don't really identify with movies so much. but...

Alien
Star Wars
Wizard of Oz
Napoleon Dynamite
Jazz On A Summer's Day

The trouble with finding movies to reflect me is that I mostly watch movies which are unlike me. Where's the interest in watching something I can see first hand?

On American colonialism/empire, my great grandfather was from Puerto Rico. I managed to find a scan of his army-enlistment record on line. Imagine the strikeout (not the stricken text, just the line) and italics are handwritten, but the rest is the typed part of the form. This is the heading:

RESISTER OF ENLISTMENTS OF INDIAN SCOUTS, Porto Rico Prov Regt of Infantry, UNITED STATES ARMY

There's just something telling about that.

I could totally add Napoleon Dynamite to my list, so long as I balanced it out by On the Waterfront. I might as well throw in The Exorcist while I'm at it.

REGISTER, not RESISTER (Freudian?)

the new Amazon series about the Dead

Crikey, is there no limit to the amount of Grateful Dead-related stuff I suddenly need to chase down!

i've always dug that early 70s hippie vibe - it's what i grew up in.

Ditto, I must admit. They feel, in some strange way, like my people.

The trouble with finding movies to reflect me is that I mostly watch movies which are unlike me...

Check.
... given that Spirited Away's protagonist is a 10 year old girl, I can't argue with that. I think the point is that I find the sensibility behind the movie gemutlich.

Many of the movie picks mentioned this far make it to my rotating favorite movie list, but here goes off the top of my head, minus the Marx Brothers, some great foreign ones and the obvious best American ones:

Chimes at Midnight
Lonely Are The Brave
Ex Machina
Don't Look Now
Oliver Twist (the original David Lean masterpiece)
Goodfellas
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (original version)
The Man In the White Suit (anything Guiness/Ealing)
Ball of Fire
Melancholia
Bringing Up Baby
A Hard Day's Night
Top Hat
Network
Olivier's Richard III

One more: Dream Child (which kills me every time; hard to find now)

The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly
Goodfellas
Taxi Driver
The Hustler
Casablanca
The Great Escape
Godzilla vs Mothra
Fantasia
Easy Rider
Chinatown
Sail Away
Harold and Maud
Cool Hand Luke

tastes...fairly pedestrian. alas, no great golf movies :)

A Matter of Life and Death.

I also absolutely loved the recent Korean zombie movie Train to Busan, which, remarkably for the genre, manages to be both hilarious and deeply moving along with the expected gore.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly deserves consideration not least for Morricone's incredible music.

I think I'd pick The Third Man (just) over Casablanca.

OK I'll cheat and name a few directors

(I guess representing means some sort of strong personal connection, no?)

Joachim Trier:

Oslo, August 31st
Reprise

Eric Rohmer:

Pauline at the Beach
A Tale of Winter
The Tree, The Mayor, and the Mediatheque

Truffaut:

100 Blows (and the follow-ups with J.P. Leaud)
Adele H
Wild Child

Kieslowksi:

Dekalog
La Double Vie...
Three Colors Trilogy

Claude Sautet:

Les Choses De la Vie
Mado
Nelly et M. Arnaud
A Heart in Winter

Jacques Audiard:

The Beat that My Heart Skipped
A Prophet

Mia Hansen-Love:

Father of My Children
Things to Come

Hans Weingartner:

The Edukators

Frederik Wiseman:

anything

Fatih Akin:

Head-On
The Edge of Heaven

Robert Altman:

McCabe & Mrs. Miller
Short Cuts

Christian Petzold:

The State I Am In
Yella
Barbara

Fellini:

I Vitelloni
La Strada
La Dolce Vita

Antonioni:

La Notte

Assayas:

Summer Hours
Carlos

Na Hong-jin:

The Chaser
The Wailing

Hirokazu Koreeda:

Still Walking

Candice Bowers

Festival Express was amazing, a little Jerry Garcia, some great jams, some good songs from the band but...Janis. It was so bittersweet to see her having so much fun. In the train and on the stage a couple of months before she died.

Thanks hsh.

Third down and, what, strip the football from small hands guy 63 million shits voted for so coal might produce 22 more jobs?

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2017/10/10/everyone-can-get-a-good-nights-sleep-all-is-well-sort-of-maybe/

I believe nuclear power will make America dead.

Pelosi, though, she'll kill.

Novakant, you trying to make the rest of us feel shallow ?
;-)

Thanks hsh.

You're welcome. I'm glad you liked it so much.

(Were you kind of sad when it was over, like your best friend was going home across the country after a really great visit?)

I was, those are my people, Watching it today is even more that way than it would have been in 2003, because so many of them have passed on. I live with an increasing sense that my generation is starting to pass into historical snippets, never to be quite understood.

We were so hopeful then. And it was fun.

if you squint this is kinda-sorta on (one of the) topic(s):

Happy 71st birthday, John Prine.

My favorite American songwriter. Townes Van Zandt might have edged him out in my book, if only for "Tecumseh Valley", but Prine is much much funnier.

I love john prune, and Townes Van Zandt. Thanks russell.

John Prune is OK, but Justin Fiber really gets me goin.

John *Prine*, plus Kris and Steve Goodman, plus EmmyLou. Nice. I usually list my three favorite songwriters as Kris, Dylan and Townes. Part of a long list though.

if you don't like Hank Williams, you can kiss my ass.

(note that there are invisible quotes about my 10:50)

I'm good with the 10:50 without the invisible quotes

My people, let me tell ya, Nicholas Sand died yesterday, who with Tim Scully made 250 million doses of acid. Orange Sunshine, I did that thing. Back when.

More Than You Want to know

Are we talking bought country now? I listen to country, lots, along with madrigals, Tangerine Dream, Somalian which sounds a little like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Albert Ayler. Ok, not Albert Ayler often. Not showing off after 60 years I need variety.

Country on my current aster than empires and more slow playlist:Merle Haggard, Gillian Welch, Van Zandt, Guy Clark, JJ Cale, Kathy Mattea, Emmylou, Robert Earl Keen, Adrienne Young, metric f-tons of Sir Douglas of Mendocino, James Leva, Lyle Lovett, Alison Krauss and not even mentioning bluegrass.

Willie kinda bores me. Waylon is good sometimes.

Sheet, Sweetheart of the Rodeo came out mid-1968. I remember, I remember listening to KFAT radio itself not far from Gilroy on the cliffs at Davenport N of S Cruz, Flatt and Scruggs and 40s country, with some rainbow people, tripping my guts out. Waiting for the whales.

Anyone see this yet?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/undisclosed-deal-guaranteed-roy-moore-180000-a-year-for-part-time-work-at-charity/2017/10/11/5f56679e-a9de-11e7-850e-2bdd1236be5d_story.html?utm_term=.a2638ad7bee6

Very Christ-like...

Here are a few snippets:

When the charity couldn’t afford the full amount, Moore in 2012 was given a promissory note for back pay eventually worth $540,000 or an equal stake of the charity’s most valuable asset, a historic building in Montgomery, Ala., mortgage records show. He holds that note even now, a charity official said.

(...)

In his last two years as president, as fundraising dwindled, Moore’s compensation amounted to about a third of the contributions to the group, tax filings show.

The charity has employed at least two of Moore’s children, although their compensation is not reflected in tax filings. Moore’s wife, Kayla, who is now president, was paid a total of $195,000 over three years through 2015.

(...)

They agreed to pay him in an unusual way. Moore would be paid whatever speaking fees and donations to the charity he could generate through what was called “Project Jeremiah,” the group’s ministry to pastors and preachers. But he was guaranteed $180,000 a year under the agreement, with the charity making up the difference if Project Jeremiah revenue fell short. If the charity did not have the cash in a given year, the debt to Moore would accumulate.

rats. i was expecting Moore to be more of a depraved sex aficionado. vanilla financial scumbaggery is a bit of a letdown :(

vanilla financial scumbaggery is a bit of a letdown

You can't have everything....

I see nothing in the small print, barring Moore's Crucifixion, that would preclude Roy Moore from punishing us for our sins:

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

6 “You shall not murder,the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

7 “You shall not commit adultery, but if you do, keep it on the lowdown because the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

8 “You shall not steal, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Don't fondle the donkey.

(note that there are invisible quotes about my 10:50)

Dont't know about any quotes, but, at the moment, a lot of 10:50's in California...

Isn't there an eleventh commandment on Moore's list about dealing with LGBT people?

11. the right of the straight people to keep cake and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

LOL

Please, please do it:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-threatens-shut-down-150300346.html

I want America to take its rightful place, near the back of the pack, among the unexceptional kleptocracies, oligarchies, autocracies, and dogshitteries on the planet.

Novakant, you trying to make the rest of us feel shallow ?
;-)

lol, no, if I want to shame people I reach for my other list with Bresson, Dreyer, Straub-Huillet, Tarkovsky, Mizoguchi, Kiarostami and Apichatpong Weerasethakul :)

no, these are actual favourites of mine and most are actually quite watchable, and I also like e.g. Tony Scott...

Apparently just yelling "fake news" all the time is no longer effective in convincing his base that up is down, black is white, or Trump is competent.

Trump's threat is complicated by the fact that NBC doesn't actually have a 'license', since it doesn't broadcast anything; its affiliates do the broadcasting.

Trump "It is frankly disgusting the press is able to write whatever it wants to write"

followed by "People should look into it."

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