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May 12, 2017

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Well, then it's a good thing that nobody ever published a book titled LIBERAL FASCISM, then isn't it?

Blimey Snarki, I assumed this was a joke til I read your comment again and looked it up......

"Someone puts on a press badge and immediately gets to be a complete asshat with no repercussions."

trump is trying to turn that around by expanding the White House press pool to include complete asshats of the brietbartian variety who put on press badges with frequent concussions.

Gianforte would have had his hands full with an old-school journalist like Jimmy Breslin.

not quite fascism. but "police state" seems pretty apt.

So much for limited government, huh? (I do expect libertarians to object, for the most part, though, and possibly other self-described conservatives - just not as many as should, if they had actual principles.)

"I assumed this was a joke til I read your comment again and looked it up......"

Sometimes I'm entirely TOO smooth and subtle sticking in a rhetorical shiv, it's true.

not quite fascism. but "police state" seems pretty apt.

I have to say that SC was, is, and likely will continue to be a puzzle to me.

it's like they're in the union just be pissed off that they're in the union.

and yes, for no small number of people, whether in SC or not, it's a police state.

From my libertarian point of view, Jefferson Sessions appears to be Trump's worse cabinet pick. Why do presidents from both parties pick such bad attorneys general?

In most jurisdictions, law enforcement officers already have far too many protections from accountability without embedding additional protections in law.

Jeff Sessions is George Wallace-light, mentality-wise, in a different office.

No, not George Wallace lite. Wallace, noxious as he became, started in Alabama politics running as a liberal on racial issues there.**

If Sessions ever had a liberal thought on race, in his entire life, it's an extraordinarily well-kept secret. Which, to mind, actually makes him worse than Wallace. Wallace was disgusting for pandering to voters by spouting stuff that he didn't actually believe; Sessions actually believes that sewage.

** Wallace, after losing that first election: "They out-n*ggered me. I'll never be out-n*ggered again!"

it's like they're in the union just be pissed off that they're in the union.

And yet,, Mark Sanford (yes, the one who took the famous intercontinental hike) is one of the few Republican politicians to speak out against the Gianforte thuggery. Who knew?

Blimey Snarki, I assumed this was a joke til I read your comment again....

You've never heard of Doughy Pant Load's magnum opus? Truly a "classic" of the projection genre.

In other news, maybe fascist is not the word I should have used (sorry) for viewpoints supporting Republican politics. I know it's not technically, legally correct, but how about "traitor"?

Not much energy from Republicans about all of this.

Yawn. The President works for Putin. But tax cut.

** Wallace, after losing that first election: "They out-n*ggered me. I'll never be out-n*ggered again!"

Ah, yes. I had not idea he was so enlightened.

not not ... no

For his time and place, in that first election Wallace actually was enlightened. Which is why he lost.

For his time and place, in that first election Wallace actually was enlightened. Which is why he lost.

Probably true. He later betrayed his "enlightenment". Then maybe regained it. Sad that people screw up so horribly.

True. But still puts him head and shoulders above Sessions IMHO.

True. But still puts him head and shoulders above Sessions IMHO.

Yes. And, okay, every single Republican senator voted for Sessions. Wallace would not have been affirmed in that way.

Holding back on the bad words, because the discussion then results in lectures about my bad words, but ...

I think people who support R's are "misguided". That word will represent all of the bad "bullying" words I would be happy to use elsewhere.

Also, as is currently being discussed on LGM, Rodrigo Duterte is a fascist. I'm happy for someone to correct my terminology!

Donald Trump loves him some Rodrigo Duterte. Not hearing a lot of R pushback on that. Why not? Tax cuts?

How much are you people making?

Oh, by "you people" I mean people who are supporting Republicans. I'm sure no one here.

I think people who support R's are "misguided"

I look at it this way:

Captain Renault: And what in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?

Rick Blaine: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.

Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.

Rick Blaine: I was misinformed

Duterte would be a fascist if he had the mental rigor of Mussolini.

Russell, you know Rick was lying. Right?

--TP

if only everyone had Rick's self awareness and sense of playful ironic humor.

unfortunately, it seems there are many who play those lines straight.

"unfortunately, it seems there are many who play those lines straight."

and that have the power to "round up the usual suspects".

An extraordinary editorial from Der Spiegel:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-is-a-menace-to-the-world-opinion-a-1148471.html

Fifth: the international community wakes up and finds a way to circumvent the White House and free itself of its dependence on the U.S. Unlike the preceding four options, the fifth doesn't directly solve the Trump problem, but it is nevertheless necessary - and possible.

i suspect that's what should happen, and what likely will happen: the rest of the world will just work around Trump.

M~AGA

Many Americans tried to warn other Americans that He, Trump would become a menace to the world as well as to America if elected president. And yet Americans as a whole insisted on electing a Russian mole to preside over them.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: a government of the people, by the people, and for the people can never be better than The People are. It is We the People who have offended and endangered the civilized world, and We bear a collective burden of guilt.

Before the America First crowd pipes up to denounce the notion that We the People should give a crap about the world's judgement of us, let us remember the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence:

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Everybody remembers the opening phrase, but many would rather forget the bolded part which is the operative clause of that famous sentence. (Jefferson, Franklin, and that crowd must not have been true patriots, eh?)

Meanwhile, other nations appear to vote somewhat less stupidly than We did. The French rejected Trump-in-skirts, and the Iranians rejected their greater evil. So there's still a glimmer of hope for humanity as a whole.

--TP

"Before the America First crowd pipes up to denounce the notion that We the People should give a crap about the world's judgement of us, ..."

I was reflecting this morning that the so-called America First crowd and their fellow-traveling conservatives by and large not only put into place an individual, who may not only suffer from clinical dementia, but who knows NOTHING about how government works, domestically and in foreign affairs, but an entire movement which clearly operates with total contempt for our own government and its operations, but who explicitly trust, it is clearer every day, some of the most authoritarian and brutal governments on the face of the Earth .... Saudi Arabia, Russia, the Philippines .... in all of their actions.

In fact, the judgement of these governments, if not their countries, are held in much higher esteem by the so-called America First crowd and their fellow travelers than our own government and country are.

These filth and their conservative brethren hate the IRS and its completely legitimate functions of collecting revenue to operate our governmental institutions, but they shower our tax money on murderous regimes.

The employees of other governments, paid by the citizens of those countries via their own tax regimes, have ready access to the ears of the current inhabitants of the White House, but the expert employees of our own government are blackballed and held in utter contempt and their jobs unfilled and abolished.

Fuck the Republican Party.

Fuck it and kill it.

Count, why aren't you in Liverpool for the 50th anniversary celebrations? Liverpool wants to know.
(I remember as if it were yesterday the documentaries etc which started "It was twenty years ago today...", the bit I can't get my head around is that that was 30 years ago).

Good question, GFTNC.

I aim to attend the annual Liverpool Beatlefest one day, which I've heard puts the ones here in the U.S. to shame, which is only fitting.

I met Donovan Leitch at the one I attended in Chicago 15 years ago today it was.

Yes, 999,999,950 years from now, the organizers will have Carl Sagan in tape intoning the intro: "It was a BBBBBillion years ago today, when Sgt. Pepper brought the band to play!"

Paul will be nearly one billion and 75 years old when he shows up for that one.

Surely it's "when Sgt Pepper taught the band to play?

Yes, well, it's been 50.

Early on in the Beatles legend, playbills and announcers would introduce Paul as Paul McCarthy.

God knows, with your encyclopaedic knowledge, you're allowed the occasional slip. In fact, if you never made one, it would be downright eerie.

Encyclopaedic perhaps with Beatles and baseball.

In all other areas, despite the shooting off of my mouth to the contrary, my record is a compendium of slips, goofs, overstatements, and dubious certainties.

dubious certainties

By far the best kind.

And so to bed - good night Count.

Dubious certainties are certainly dubious...

So, today I was pondering the multiple celebrations of Memorial Day, fireworks, picnics, military salutes, and remembrances in song, and it occurred to me that I was not giving the country, the people or the core values of those that came before us nearly enough respect.

For all of those here who disagree with me in different ways and to different extents, perhaps sapient most but the list isn't short, I will not complain about your criticism, or its vehemence, again. Our country has been built on the words and deeds of people of great heart and deep devotion.

The differences that we have overcome for a few hundred years were no less stark in their day, nor were the emotions that drove the opposition any less fierce than each of you express.

I have the greatest respect for each of you here, the depth of caring, the dedication to principle and the fierce defense of our country.

I wish each of you a thoughtful and enjoyable Memorial Day. I will try hard to keep in mind that all of you represent the best of what America stands for, people of conscience striving to create a better, kinder, more secure country, and world, for those that come after us.

Deep and sincere thanks for that comment Marty, and it is a sentiment we can agree on. Hear, hear!

Agreed. And I would add: in this comment you show your true character, and it's a very fine one.

what Marty said, so very graciously.

a safe and happy Memorial Day to all. may we never forget the folks who stepped up and put themselves in harms way.

a shout out to Andy's family, if they still read our scribblings. he was a remarkable man.

Beautifully said, Marty.

For all of those here who disagree with me in different ways and to different extents, perhaps sapient most but the list isn't short, I will not complain about your criticism, or its vehemence, again. Our country has been built on the words and deeds of people of great heart and deep devotion.

I deeply appreciate this, Marty. Because I disagree with you so strongly, it's difficult for me to maintain a civil tone. I will try to reciprocate your generosity.

Well said, sapient.

And now further to my ongoing posting of the Observer's pieces on breaches of election law in the US or UK using illicit big data, today's piece (while squarely about the UK's ongoing election campaign) gives some interesting insight into exactly how the resulting ads by the Conservatives are being used to drown out those of their opponents:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/27/conservatives-facebook-dark-ads-data-protection-election

Thanks all for the kind words.

Thanks for that Marty. This thread is creaking under the weight of comments, so I'm going to close it and open up another thread.

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