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The 9/11 Commission found the US intelligence had the raw intel needed to prevent the attacks, but failed to connect the dots.

So, naturally, the Bush administration concluded that they needed more dots.

"So, naturally, the Bush administration concluded that they needed more dots."

My own phrasing might be that Cheney, Bush, Addington, et all, saw the best opportunity in decades to grab more executive power, specifically more police and intelligence power, which was helped by the various institutional police/spy agencies desires for far larger legal powers.

It was a wonderful opportunity to cut further huge slices out of the bill of rights.

(Noticing this is the basis for the unfortunate bridge-too-far "truther" movement.)

If one wants to be generous, one can assume that some genuine panic was part of the mix.

So, Gary, are you disillusioned with Obama now?

Obama may disappoint us, but you, Jay, are as reliable as old faithful.

"Obama may disappoint us, but you, Jay, are as reliable as old faithful."

thank you, russell; i take that as a compliment; i'm just a predictable erupter of skeptical discontent ... and somewhere in the future, you'll recognize i was right more often than wrong...

"My own phrasing might be that Cheney, Bush, Addington, et all, saw the best opportunity in decades to grab more executive power, specifically more police and intelligence power, which was helped by the various institutional police/spy agencies desires for far larger legal powers."

Yeah, but that's not as fun :D

I for one find it remarkable that we're at the point that the more we learn, the less we know.

Then, I doubt any of the principal pushers for the imposition of a Total Information Awareness regime ever have been tasked with sifting through a load of useless information to find the scarce essential nuggets.

The debate thus far:

"The 9/11 Commission found the US intelligence had the raw intel needed to prevent the attacks, but failed to connect the dots. So, naturally, the Bush administration concluded that they needed more dots."

"I for one find it remarkable that we're at the point that the more we learn, the less we know. Then, I doubt any of the principal pushers for the imposition of a Total Information Awareness regime ever have been tasked with sifting through a load of useless information to find the scarce essential nuggets."

"My own phrasing might be that Cheney, Bush, Addington, et all, saw the best opportunity in decades to grab more executive power, specifically more police and intelligence power, which was helped by the various institutional police/spy agencies desires for far larger legal powers."

I'd just note these are responding to a post that focused on violations of civil liberties.

"So, Gary, are you disillusioned with Obama now?"

There are various issues I'd like to have seen, or to see, handled differently, but I hardly think any of the other people who ran for President in 2008 would have done better.

Overall I'm pleased with Obama, if left wanting for more speed, and a stronger stance, on some issues.

Point: "Yeah, but that's not as fun :D"

Yes, you well made your point with pith.

Sum: "I'd just note these are responding to a post that focused on violations of civil liberties."

I'm afraid I'm not following your point: could you elaborate, please?

Thanks |)

"There are various issues I'd like to have seen, or to see, handled differently, but I hardly think any of the other people who ran for President in 2008 would have done better"

Gary,

I have no idea what your expectations of President Obama were. However, don't you think that "better than the other guy would have done" seems a big step down from the more general expectations of him?

I'm not responsible for "general expectations" of him, Marty; I'm only responsible for, and able to speak for, my own expectations.

In the department of not being disillusioned with Obama or the Democratic Congress: Congress Takes FINAL Vote on Hate Crimes Bill; On to President’s Desk.

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