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April 13, 2009

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The drawback to Larison is that his strength is foreign policy, which is sadly marred by his being a Russophile/Slavophile. He sincerely doesn't comprehend or want to believe that the storyline linking the many conflicts around the CIS periphery is the decaying and slow dismemberment of Russian empire. That denialism just doesn't fly with much of the NYT subscriber base.

Douthat is about domestic policy and the right wing third of the country. I don't find him persuasive, but he's connected with that side's elites and does a fairly honest job trying to defend the almost indefensible.

cd: As I said, I think Douthat is decent - and better than a lot of other options.

That said, Larison is not allergic to domestic debates, and weighs in with some regularity. But yeah, definitely a foreign policy guy. But then, Brooks has the domestic brief already covered.

I'm not otherwise familiar with his writings, but you quote him saying such sensible things--obviously he is not qualified to hold one of the right wing slots at the Times.

I don't claim deep familiarity with Larison, but I think the Times would have probably been screening for a "functional" rather than properly "ideological" conservative, so all this sensible Obama-defending/Goldberg-bashing would have hurt rather than helped.

But then again I read the NYT and I would much rather read Larison than Douthat (who's a douche, and just not that interesting), so maybe you're right.

I get a kick that the “paper of record” having one right-of-center columnist is such blog-fodder. The ombudsman has gone on record admitting that every section of the paper (including what is supposed to be hard news) slants liberal – but one conservative columnist is a major threat…

If he says stupid crap mock him for that. Go for it. Make it funny and I’ll even laugh.

I get a kick that the “paper of record” having one right-of-center columnist is such blog-fodder.

Which is the "one" you refer to here? Brooks? Douthat? Could you possibly mean Friedman -- who, with all of his war cheerleading and unabashed capitalism-is-next-to-godlisim could be easily mistaken for a right-of-center scribe? Certainly you don't mean the trivial and relentlessly anti-feminist Dowd, right? Could you mean Henthoff? Does he still write for them? Is he still as anti-choice as he used to be?

Please, OCSteve, clear up this dilemma for us.

Man, that wacky liberal New York Times! What with their "Labor: How to Destroy Capital" section that replaced the "Business" section, and who can forget their blistering denunciations of the hijacking of the 200 election, the invasion of Iraq, the constant refrains against an inflated housing market and financial sector.

Or, y'know, not. The Times's editor might like to pat himself on the back and say "Oh, well, of course we're liberal on social issues, we're cosmopolitan New Yorkers!" but on the real questions of the day, the New York Times is another corporate Wall Street paper, full of stenographers. Not nearly as blatant or as false as anything owned by Rupert Murdoch, or as compromised as anything with GE's tentacles in it, but it's really a stretch to call it "liberal" in any meaningful sense, I think

I get a kick that the “paper of record” having one right-of-center columnist is such blog-fodder.

What are you talking about? The issue Eric raised here isn't that the NYT has a conservative columnist; it is that given their stated need for another conservative columnist, they could have picked someone a lot smarter than they did.

Don't you think everyone would be better off if the NYT's conservative writers were smarter? Shouldn't you be agreeing with Eric here?

"Could you mean Henthoff? Does he still write for them? Is he still as anti-choice as he used to be?"

I'm not sure who "Henthoff" is, but if possibly you mean Nat Hentoff, he's never been a NY Times columnist.

After reading the last twenty blog posts by Mr. Larison, I can see why liberal progressives would love him. His constant harping about how bad conservatives are and his inability to criticize anything about the Obama Administration is an odd qualification for the right of center columnist of the NY Times.

his inability to criticize anything about the Obama Administration

The ignorance on display here is just stunning. Larison has extensively criticized Obama; it just so happens that he thinks that most of the criticisms levied by people like Gingrich or Limbaugh are really dumb.

And for the record, as a liberal progressive, I don't love Larison. I think he's irrational about some policy areas and I think his association with racist sociopaths is indicative of defects in his character. Having said all that, he still strikes me as a better writer and thinker than Douhat and a vast improvement over Kristol.

After reading the last twenty blog posts by Mr. Larison, I can see why liberal progressives would love him. His constant harping about how bad conservatives are and his inability to criticize anything about the Obama Administration is an odd qualification for the right of center columnist of the NY Times.

Comments are purely in terms of liberal opposition and not of the ideas espoused by Larison.

Conservatives, in my day, did much better than that. They were not nearly as lazy in their thinking.

Oops . . . you're right, Gary. I was thinking Kristof but that just elided with Hentoff and the rest is history.

Larger point still holds, though.

His constant harping about how bad conservatives are and his inability to criticize anything about the Obama Administration is an odd qualification for the right of center columnist of the NY Times.

Um, please refer to the post I excerpted above. You don't have to look that hard, or search his archives. The very post I flagged is critical of Obama.

for example:

The mainstream right’s reaction to Obama’s European trip has reminded me of the claim some on the Anglophone right were making during the election that the election supposedly pitted an advocate of “global universalism” against a defender of American exceptionalism. As I said then, it was never clear which one was supposed to play which role, because both of the candidates were American exceptionalists and universalists in their respective ways, but this basic truth that Obama is an American exceptionalist and one steeped in Americanism is simply inadmissible for some of these people. I don’t know why I have to keep telling so many of you Republican globalists this, but on most of the major policy questions Obama is on your side.

OCSteve:

As pointed out above, the Times has always had at least two clear right wing ideologues, and at least a couple of centrists.

Friedman and Kristoff are centrists. Friedman was a big time cheerleader for the Iraq war and globalization.

David Brooks and Douthat are clear right wingers.

As for my complaint, it wasn't that the Times felt the need to add a second righty to join Brooks, it was that they didn't choose a righty like Larison.

The purpose of having Douthat on the NYTimes op-ed pages is not for intellectual or ideological "balance," but to avoid flak from the conservative movement. It's to keep the Right from saying to the Times, "Nice newspaper you have there. It'd be a shame if anything happened to it."

I think that Larison would make for a better column, but the advantage of Douthat is that, by reading his column in the NYT, we can figure out (maybe) what the prevailing right-wing trends, thoughts, and ideologies are.

Say what you want about Kristol, but his partisan hackery at least helped those who read it to understand what the Republicans were doing, though there's no real way to elucidate what they're doing...

I find him to be a great read.

However, I think "conservative" means "movement conservative", a sect that does not include Larison. Douthat will fit in and play the game and stay within the boundaries, and I can't see Larison doing that.

I also thought Bacevic would have been a fantastic choice, albeit as much a pipe dream as Larison.

Agreed on Bacevich. Better choice even. As much of a pipe dream as well.

But hey, we might as well lobby from our little perch.

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