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December 05, 2008

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Any word on Thomas' Folly... aka the formal SCOTUS Conference scheduled for today on Obama's birth/citizenship/legitimacy-as-President-elect?

Wouldn't Scalia possibly be on the liberal justice's side? IIRC he wrote a scathing dissent with respect to Padilla ability to seek a writ (though who knows, I've lost track).

Any chance that the royalist justices (Scalia, Alito, Roberts) will rediscover due process and limits on executive power now that Obama will be the executive?

I suspect that Justice Uncle Thomas--possibly the only black man in American history to walk away from a "lynching"--is batshit crazy that Mr. Obama got where he is by merit selection rather than by toadying.

The Obama Administration should make the matter moot. As to its narrow reach, as with Padilla and various other matters, the principle (as noted) is the core thing. And, there are probably various connected questions.

Overall, given there is (by one estimation) twenty million lawful non-citizens in this country, the principles here are very important. In fact, as noted by one or more of the people linked, at least some of the judges made claims in that ruling that were not limited to non-citizens at all.

Cert for al-Marri

Is that the special? Fish? Can I get steak instead? Medium?

OCSteve,

You're on the wrong course. We could give you a wafer thin mint after dinner, instead.

Definitely don't eat the fish if you might have to fly the plane.

And stop calling me Shirley.

Way to live up to the post, guys.

Sorry for the detour; the writer of the previous post has been sent to muck out the llama stables.

I am concerned about the second point.

There have been a number of other instances where the Bush administration has sidestepped the legal process by dodging court decisions that may have ended unfavorably for them. Do we want the Obama administration to play the same game and pull out of a case that could come down conclusively for constitutional guarantees (or, unfortunately, against)? Without the imprimatur of the Supremes stating that some of these Bush policies and Congressional laws are, as has been consistently trumpeted on this site and others, unconstitutional on their face and/or in practice, what is to stop some later administration (or the next one) from just deciding that the powers being exercised were not destroyed, but just allowed to lie hidden for a time (a la Gladden Fields).

While you make a good case, Fraud Guy, I don't think we should ignore that an actual person is being detained. We shouldn't just leave him there just to make a point.

I'm with Fraud Guy. It should surely be possible for the Obama Administration to transfer al-Marri to civilian prison, allow him to communicate with the outside world, and mull over its criminal options while waiting for the Supreme Court to make a decision.

And even if SCOTUS decides that the president has the right, there is no 'duty' for Obama to keep him in that 'in(de)finite' state.

EL,

I concur. Most of the "war" should have been treated as a criminal enterprise; abandoning the high ground for the moral outrage of feel good military action has compromised our standing in the world and caused far more destruction and death than the original attacks.

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