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July 17, 2007

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I think O'Reilly is playing to the anti-evolution types, who view it as an insult to be told that they are related to monkeys.

To be fair, the comment at issue -- presumably this one -- is clearly alluding to the biological meaning of the word "primate." But it's just a joke about the Church's position on evolution, not some undifferentiated claim that "the Pope is a monkey" or something. (Which wouldn't really be such a bad thing to say, anyway, presuming one is permitted to criticize the Pope, a thesis O'Reilly probably doesn't accept.)

A planet where Popes evolved from men? There's got to be an answer.

Don't look for it, O'Reilly. You may not like what you find.

To be fair, the comment at issue -- presumably this one -- is clearly alluding to the biological meaning of the word "primate."

And also to be fair, knowing the context doesn't make O'Reilly any less comical. First of all that comment appears to be passing on a pun from Free Inquiry. Secondly, the more informed way to take offense would be, "Over at DKos they're making fun of the Pope, using his title of primate to imply he's a monkey." That reaction would still be ridiculously overwrought, but at least it makes it clear you're familiar with the term.

Wonder how it will be reported on Bill-O's show if/when someone describes the Pope as a Homo sapien? Or worse, a Homo-erectus? As lewd insinuations the Pope is a gay Priapus?

Evangelicals are nut cases.

I'm reminded of this gem from Tom DeLay's communications director:

The wackos get their information from the Christian right, Christian radio, mail, the internet and telephone trees ... Simply put, we want to bring out the wackos to vote against something and make sure the rest of the public lets the whole thing slip past them.

Bill O'Reilly: Catholic schismatic, or merely ignorant? We report; you decide.

But I want both.

Still, I'm willing to believe Bill's implicit claim that he is not Homo sapiens, possibly not any sort of life ever found on earth before. It would improve my day just a little to find out that he was not related to bonobos, chimps, gorillas and humans.

Maybe we could ask Bill about the title: pontiff as well.

I'm certainly willing to consider the current pope as an argument against evolution. Just this morning here in Boston, we got an hour on NPR about how Benedict wants to canonize a bunch of priests who died in the Spanish Civil War. They were victims of anti-Catholic hatred, to be sure, and individually were likely blameless. But the church in Spain, as an institution, had absolutely sowed the wind, such that these priests reaped the whirlwind; and the church enthusiastically supported Franco. This pope - as we have previously seen with his hateful statements in support of Pius XII, the Crusades, and the slaughter of Brazilian natives - cannot admit any shortcomings present or past. Remind you of any American presidents?

When I was a child in Seattle in the 80's, the Catholic church was identified with civil rights and the sanctuary movement (and even with respect for homosexuals, a stand for which the archbiship was later punished). Under its current leadership, it's identified with George Bush and with Francisco Franco, not to mention the covering up of child sexual abuse. The loss of moral authority in the last 20 years is simply staggering.

The joke among left-wing Catholics (well, one of them) is to note that "Benedict" is not "Benecond" -- it's "talks nice," not "acts nice."

That said, O'Reilly wouldn't know Catholic teaching if it bit him, last name aside. That he's unfamiliar with the term "primate" is in some ways less surprising -- or at least less important -- than that he's unfamiliar with the Catholic Church's teaching on, say, pre-emptive war, the death penalty, the right to form unions, hell, pretty much anything. Probably hasn't actually read the teachings on homosexuality either and just assumes they're "gays are going to hell!" (which they're not)

Utterly Ignorant would be my guess, just like his audience.

The worst part is that he isn't the most woefully stupid person on FOX. That'd probably be either Gibson or Hannity.

Hilzoy: As a matter of wondrous fact, the primate of the Artsakh Diocese of the Armenian Apostolic Church would deny that Christ was a primate.

Ara: thanks! I had forgotten about that variant of monophysitism.

The worst part is that he isn't the most woefully stupid person on FOX.

and then there are the millions who watch and believe the lot of 'em.

damn that Bell Curve

" . . . Priapus . . ."

I;m waiting for someone to name a car that . . . .

Billy O'Falafel's ignorance is just appalling.

Consider that Billo escaped learning that the Pope is the Primate of the Catholic Church after having attended Marist College -- a Catholic teaching college! I guess Billo's just a little slow on the uptake.

He probably actually prides himself on his religious bona fides. What a joke!

Billy O'Falafel's ignorance is just appalling.

Consider that Billo escaped learning that the Pope is the Primate of the Catholic Church after having attended Marist College -- a Catholic teaching college! I guess Billo's just a little slow on the uptake.

He probably actually prides himself on his religious bona fides. What a joke!

Billy O'Falafel's ignorance is just appalling.

Consider that Billo escaped learning that the Pope is the Primate of the Catholic Church after having attended Marist College -- a Catholic teaching college! I guess Billo's just a little slow on the uptake.

He probably actually prides himself on his religious bona fides. What a joke!

Billy O'Falafel's ignorance is just appalling.

Consider that Billo escaped learning that the Pope is the Primate of the Catholic Church after having attended Marist College -- a Catholic teaching college! I guess Billo's just a little slow on the uptake.

He probably actually prides himself on his religious bona fides. What a joke!

cleek- Your attitude really seems to have changed for the worse recently. Are you ok? Anything you want to talk about?

Not that I don't enjoy shrillness cuz I do, but I don't remember you being quite so ultrasonic before.

Ignerance rulz OK.

Thank God for Aljazeera, where we can get news reports from intelligent people.

Ignerance rulz OK.

Thank God for Aljazeera, where we can get news reports from intelligent people.

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