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I read Lilith and Phantastes a long time ago. Wasn't crazy about them. I read a collection of his sermons (abridged, I think) some years ago too and liked those. The universalism appealed to me (whether it's true is a different matter). I liked what I think he said--Don't believe things about God that just strike you as immoral. Maybe you're wrong about it, but it does no good to force yourself to think of God acting in what you believe does not demonstrate love. If you're wrong eventually you may come to see that. I may be distorting what he said--now I'm thinking of going back to reread him myself.

"Actually, I'm half-tempted to buy it (and the other volumes), but my wife would shoot me."

There are probably libraries where you live.

Alternatively, Tolkien's stories are all about old people from long ago, who wandered around a lot, and hit people with swords, and had tragic love, and killed a lot of evil creatures, until they got killed, usually in the course of seeking some magic item, to do something with it, maybe while singing an occasional song, and then someone wrote a long poem about them, so, really, if you've read one, you've read them all, you know.

"You know, I'm tempted to say
'For crying out loud, it's only a book!'."

In the course of writing a comment above last night, I wrote a long set of paragraphs that included a point along those lines, but I ended up deleting them as probably sounding more obnoxious that I remotely intended, while not having all that much value anyway.

(Folks have no idea how frequently I do that.)

If I were really niggling, I'd point out that it's a lot more than a single book that Tolkien contributed, and even a lot more than the creation of a universe over many volumes, with the depth of languages that only an Oxford don such as himself could bring, as well as the richness of the historical sources he plumbed, but that what his largest contribution was, was simply to show people that something that rich, and broad, and deep (if of a particular flavor that certainly isn't for everyone: but what is?) could be done.

And, of course, he's not responsible for the commercial fantasy industry that he inspired, once Lin Carter had gotten through reprinting the other earlier masters of fantasy in the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series back in the Sixties, and the endless dreadfully hackneyed, completely derivative, shallow imitations of him that he inspired, along with many works that are merely mediocre, some that are quite good, and a few that are brilliant.

But I'd never say that everyone should like Tolkien, any more than I'd say that of any writer, or the work of any creator: taste is taste, and that's all there is to it.

Of course, I'd only say all that if I were really niggling. Which I'd never do.

Strange as it may seem, Gary, I doubt the local libraries carry 10 volumes of Tolkien trivia. They probably don't even have all of what I own--LOTR, The Hobbit, the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, and "The Tolkien Reader".

I agree with your reply to Russell. Tolkien's reply could be found in "On Fairy Stories" in The Tolkien Reader.

Donald, you might be able to get them via interlibrary loan. Can be expensive, but often less so than getting the book itself, plus it doesn't hang around the house catching dust and annoying your partner...

Possibly, Jes, but inertia kicks in. Contrary to what Gary seems to believe, I do know that there are such things as libraries and I frequent them on a regular basis. If I don't find things on the shelves there I usually don't take the next step. I doubt anything in the local system has all the stuff Christopher Tolkien has seen fit to publish. I could be wrong.

But, then again.....

I think you guys missed this part.

Rave on.

Donald: Possibly, Jes, but inertia kicks in.

Well, yes. ;-) I've only done it myself for books I'm really truly desperate to read. It's a bit timeconsuming and a bit expensive, but it is kind of fun, in an Aladdinish "I will make the librarian do my bidding!" kind of way.

As Diderot said, "mankind shall not have peace until the last noble (king, politician) is hung by the entrails of the last priest (minister, reverend, pastor, bishop, Mullah, etc., etc.)

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