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Francis: "Covert" has a specific meaning per the IIPA.

It does, and Tom Maguire has been hammering this point over and over. But doesn't "covert" also have an operational meaning in the intelligence community that doesn't hinge on the particulars of the IIPA? If the question is "was the IIPA violated" then the former definition is critical. If the question is "was a covert operative outed as an act of political intimidation" then is the fulfillment of the requirements of that particular law even an issue?

It seems to me entirely likely that whether Plame was "covert" or the leak of her identity violated the IIPA was not a resolvable question due to Libby's obstruction of justice.

Being neither a Plameologist nor a lawyer, I realize I'm out of my depth here, but how do you figure that whether she was covert was not resolvable? It seems to me that this would be easily resolved by simply asking the CIA. That potential violation of the IIPA would be harder to resolve makes perfect sense, on the other hand.

Being neither a Plameologist nor a lawyer, I realize I'm out of my depth here, but how do you figure that whether she was covert was not resolvable?

You are quite right about this. Libby wouldn't be in a position to obscure her covert (or non-covert) status no matter how hard he tried to obstruct justice.

The tougher issue, as I mention above, is proving that the leaker(s) was aware of Plame's covert status. Maybe, as Maguire postulates, it was all just a big accident. But that wouldn't mean she wasn't covert!

It's clear that Plame was covert by the CIA's standards, and Libby couldn't change that. What he could do would be to make it very unclear who knew she was covert. If nobody in the White House knew, then they're negligent in not finding out -- but still they didn't intentionally violate the law.

If somebody knew -- Cheney, say -- and told something that sounded scandalous to a bunch of people who didn't know, and they spread it around then Cheney was highly negligent but nobody else was breaking the law. And Cheney perhaps had the right to decide on the spur of the moment to declassify Plame and burn all her contacts. After all, if they didn't tell him what he wanted to hear, what good were they?

And there's a question who told first, and did they know. All of this could get snarled if Libby lied enough, he could make it completely unclear who learned what from whom, and who learned it first, and who told it first.

It's unclear to me why Fitzgerald didn't go after any of the other liars and perjurers. But his approach with mafia types was to get somebody for perjury and then get them to tell the truth with that leverage. If he tried the same thing here, he didn't actually have much leverage on Libby since Bush can pardon him in December 2008 at the latest. Libby has a whole lot more to gain by staying quiet than he does by singing. There's no witness protection program for him. Fitzgerald's ability to punish or reward him is strictly limited. Bush's ability to punish or reward him hsa far fewer limits.

J Thomas- Republican administrations usually get away with pardoning their criminal acomplices, but that generally means that they have gotten away with criminal conspiracy. Fitzgerald may have more leverage than we think if he is prepared to charge President Bush for a criminal act(after he leaves office) if he pardons Scooter.

Having read about 3/4 of the latest document dump, all I can say is: I really wish that they would arrange these things chronologically, and that they'd present just one (1) copy of each email exchange, rather than an email, followed by a reply that says 'sure!' and then quotes the original email, followed by a reply that says 'Great!', then 'sure', then the original email, and so on for what seems like infinitely many emails.

Based on 1-7 pp. 16-18, however, if I were any of a number of people in the DoJ, I'd be firing Kyle Sampson, for drafting a letter that goes out under the signature of the Acting Assistant AG to Harry Reid, which contains flat-out lies (e.g., "The department is not aware of Karl Rove playing any role in the decision to appoint Griffin." Hahahahaha.)

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